Odds & Ends
1D Mark IV Delivery?
I’ve received a couple emails that state Canon will begin shipping Mark IV’s mid next week. I have nothing 100% confirmed.
EOS 60D
Lots of 60D questions. I haven’t received any super solid information.
Some things that have popped up over the last month or so. I [CR1] all of this.
1) 60D will be launched in the Spring 2010 and shipping before summer
2) Upgraded 15.1mp sensor
3) 720P video at 24, 25, 30 & 60 fps (No 1080p mode)
4) Same AF system as the 50D with some AI tweaks.
5) 6.3fps remains.
As I said, not much is too solid at this point.
Lenses
I’ve had a lot of emails saying how happy people would be if a 600 f/4 DO actually gets made. If they correct the low contrast shown in the 400 DO, we could have a big winner.
I did receive an email saying we’d see 2 new fisheyes launched in 2010. One for APS-C and one to replace the 15mm fisheye.
cr
December 15th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Why replace the 15mm Fisheye? It’s a fine lens and I can’t imagine such a market for a redesigned $500 fisheye lens. I think there are other “fish” to fry… (pun intended)
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Craig Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Have you ever looked at any extreme sports magazines or movies? fisheye shots everywhere plus this lens came out in 1987 when i was only 2 years old!! things do need to move on a bit in 23 years, as Don Komarechka says below it could do with a ultrasonic motor plus latest lens coatings would be nice for digital. Iv been wanting to buy the canon 15mm f/2.8 fisheye for a few years now but wont buy till a new one comes out.
canon needs to catch up on nikons lens selection’s, it’s just not funny how few lenses are actually good enough for the newest full-frame sensors.
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A J Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
My guess is that they’ll update the lens coatings. The Achilles heel of this lens is flare.
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Scalesusa Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
I agree. I bought a nice used one recently for $300. I did some test images on my 5D MK II, and even at 100% its extremely sharp.
Better lens coatings might help flare, but with such a wide lens, it can’t be totally eliminated.
I can’t imagine why they would add a expensive ultrasonic motor. The lens is in focus from three feet to infinity, so the focus motor only operates for very close objects, and it is very fast because it has such a tiny amount of movement required to focus it.
As to full frame sensors, the 21mp 5D MK II has the same pixel density as the 8mp Canon 30D, so it does not begin to tax the resolution of the lens.
So far, lenses still have a higher resolution than sensors. People who put a lens on a camera to measure its resolution are measuring the resolution of a system, and its limited by the weakest link, which so far is the sensor. Thats why lens review places show a increasing lens resolution every time a new camera model with higher MP is tested.
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December 15th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Hm, 60D without 1080p? Sounds weird… They could at least to it with 30fps.
But the fisheye for APS-C sound really interesting. Too bad that I won’t be able to afford it =(
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December 15th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I call another BS rumor, don’t see while they would downgrade this line by removing 1080 video, makes no sense.
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Scalesusa Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
I agree its BS. We won’t see a 60D, the 7D replaced it. Who would buy one for $1400? The 7D is already being discounted and is readily available for 1500.
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Michal Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Hmm, makes some sense. Perhaps Canon will re-position their camera lines, if 7D took place of the xxD line, xxxD will become xxD and they will drop xxxxD.
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kubelik Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
canon might just slot it in at 1100, the 50D is only selling for about 950 now anyway, and an upgrade as described wouldn’t need many new pieces or a huge development team.
pretty much a parts-bin project
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December 15th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Probably the tweaked 15MP sensor which SHOULD have been used in the 7D.
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Michal Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Yeah, a cheaper prosumer comaera will have a better sensor that a top of the line pro camera. Makes perfect sense. ALso please feel free to explain what is wrong with the 7D sensor in the first place.
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max Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 7:27 am
With less MP and the same technology put into the new sensor it could have been much better
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Sproutey Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Why?
Resolution is more important than high-ISO in many circumstances and the 7D is geared towards those.
While I’m also an advocate of slowing down the MP race, Canon deserve full credit for the 7D sensor marrying excellent all-round quality with a usefully high resolution.
A lower resolution version of the 7D would likely be excllent but that doesn’t mean it should automatically have been the correct choice for the 7D.
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Michal Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
You are mistaken, it would have been a different sensor with different characteristics but not necessarily a “better” one just because you think so.
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kubelik Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
I agree with the second sentence in your response, but have to point out that the first sentence is incorrect.
Canon have shown with the 1DsMkIII and 5DMkII that they will in fact put a better, newer sensor in a cheaper prosumer cam over the professional body. the difference between the two were very slight, but most people observed slightly sharper images from the 5DMkII.
the same thing happened with the T1i and the 50D, with the T1i boasting a slightly tweaker and just-a-bit-crisper sensor than the 50D was released with.
canon has no qualms about leapfrogging its own sensor technology, their main reluctance is to leapfrog other features
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Michal Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
“Canon have shown with the 1DsMkIII and 5DMkII that they will in fact put a better, newer sensor in a cheaper prosumer cam over the professional body”
There is a huge difference between 5-line and 50-line as compared to 1-line and 5-line. Also there is a difference of at least one generation between 1DsMkIII and 5DMkII but 7D is the newest and greatest so it’s most unlikely that Canon will put a newer sensor in 60D.
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December 15th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
600 f/4 DO IS without the low contrast problem would probably be listed at $14,995. I am sure a few professional wildlife and sports photographers would buy it, though…
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Michal Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
DO by definition will always have lower contract than traditional lens with conventional glass optical elements, such is the nature of the beast. Nothing’s free and if you want a lens that lighter, shorter and better at handling chromatic aberration there must be a trade off somewhere else, in this case it is lower contrast. That’s obviously one of the reasons why the Canon DO line is does not carry the L-designation and the red ring, they simply do not offer the same image quality. They are more convenient to use, lighter and shorter but something else suffers in return.
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December 15th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
60D WITHOUT 1080p?! Even much cheaper Rebel T1i has 1080p, not to mention the popular Panny GH1. I’d guess they’d at least give 1080/24p to match GH1. Hopefully it’ll come with twist/swivel LCD like the GH1.
Now both 7D and 5DII are still sold like hot cakes, I guess 60D may skip CES/PMA/CP+ and get announced in Aug, right after Nikon D90 gets an upgrade. 1Ds4 will probably come around the same time; both will be hugely demonstrated at Photokina.
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Paul Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 3:34 am
The T1i has 1080p at 20fps though- a compromise ridiculed as “worse than useless” by many. Think of all the complaints Canon could’ve avoided by not including it.
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Freeze_XJ Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Absolutely, but still, it shouts 1080p on the box. That’s what counts. If Canon goes for less on the middle series, there’s something wrong. Everyone somehow wants video on his camera these days (and i have to admit, i wouldn’t complain either).
Oh, and probably Nikon will throw in 1080p @ 30fps on their next camera as well, just because they can ;)
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Jacobin Ve Lardina Saccun Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 9:51 am
They’ve had four chances to do so (Nikon D90, Nikon D5000, Nikon D300s, and Nikon D3s). All feature 720p/24. So there are no guarantees of 1080p in Nikon’s lineup.
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David Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Yeah, the D3s was a surprise, many thought it would get 1080p being a pro model, but Nikon has always been fine delivery lower image sizes than Canon.
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Freeze_XJ Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
The D90 just was first with standard video, can’t blame them for that. The D3s not having it, well… not completely unexpected (i am amazed it has video), it’s a pro-body, but right now they’re a bit underspecced compared to the 1D4 :) Perhaps they’ll just do it later? D5000 not having it is probably not to cut D90 sales, but i definately agree on the D300s ;) They can correct it next round. The 5D2 camera function must have amazed Nikon, and they are still figuring out what hit them.
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RichT Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Sigh, why do people constantly b&m about “only” 20 fps. If you don’t have fast moving subjects it’s a perfectly acceptable rate for video. If you do have fast moving subjects switch to 720! In any event I find the T1i’s 1080 mode better than the mud and smear prone GH1, which is terribly crippled by its poorly implemented codec. 20fps of clean footage is certainly preferable to 24fps of cartoonish smearing whenever even moderate change occurs.
Now about manual controls….
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David Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
you have to have complete static non-moving anything for 20 fps to be even close to ok, and all the 1080 20 fps video i’ve seen from the Rebel looks jerky, you can’t pan or have any movement in the scene, so it’s a largely a useless framerate and makes the 1080p claim a joke. I don’t like 24p for any motion. 30p is essential, 60p is nice to have, especially for action.
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December 15th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
The fisheye could be replaced because it is the only lens on the line-up right now without an ultrasonic motor for it’s autofocus. Just a thought. I own the 15mm fisheye and love it.
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Michal Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
“it is the only lens on the line-up right now without an ultrasonic motor for it’s autofocus”
That’s not correct, there is a number of current EF lenses without USM.
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December 15th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
I’ll be happy if they stay with a 15mp sensor and improve the high ISO performance. I can care less about shooting videos, so everything else would just be bonus.
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December 15th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
canonletsthrowoutrumorsuntilwegetoneright.com
or
canonletsnameobviousfutureupgradesuntilitmaterializes.com
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kubelik Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
glad you could contribute something useful to this site.
if the concept of rumors postings bothers you so much, why are you on here anyway?
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A Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Glad you could contribute any useful information also.
Being the rumor site that a lot of go for solid info on possible leaks and releases I hold it up to a higher level of quality than just some joe schmo posting their wish list and guesses on when it might come out.
Which seems is all that Canon rumors is posting now with barely CR1 rumors.
For a good example. Today was the date that Canon Rumors posted the 1d Mark IV would be shipped. Has it? no. Has there been even a follow up to the same source on why it hasn’t been release? no. Has there been any calls to stores around trying to pry any extra info? Shoot even if I got that info I would satisfied.. but no..
If i wanted to read wishlist and hopeful release dates i can go to any number of forums and those useless post are plastered everywhere.
Lately any new good info I’ve seen about the 1d4 are from other sites and forums.
Heck I even like the previous post about the XTI.
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Pure Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
You’re mother’s a whore. We can all contribute to this site can’t we?
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Jacobin Ve Lardina Saccun Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Be quiet. Your language is utterly sickening.
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Nick Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
lol is this a JS return?
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Oh Dear! Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
I actually kind of miss that guy, he was good for a laugh
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December 15th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
60D without 1080p – logical! Canon has the following: 5D Mark III, 1Ds Mark IV … :)
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December 15th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Same AF sensors… again? Egads, I hope not.
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Gusto Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
There’s NOTHING WRONG with the AF sensor in the 50D. In fact, it’s absolutely great.
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kubelik Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 9:11 am
I agree with Gusto. of all the complaints I’ve ever seen leveled against the 50D, poor AF performance was never one of them.
I’d look forward to a reasonably priced 50D replacement with a 15 MP sensor using the 7D’s sensor technology. I think for a lot of amateurs shooting more variety of stuff than just BIF might find a 60D as described in the rumors to be better suited to their needs than the 7D.
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Well Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 9:22 am
I’d agree with most of what you wrote, but I would say that the 50D AF performance was great using the center point only. Using other AF points the AF performance was only decent.
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kubelik Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
good to know — I have to admit I do almost all my shooting with center point only, focus-recompose
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Sproutey Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Agree also, the AF is first class.
The 50D has been guilty of nothing more than failing in a marketing numbers game with Nikons 51-point system.
Anyone thats used both extensively will tell you they trade places on ability equally depending on the situation and that the D300 has its fair share of situations where the AF slips up.
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December 15th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
28-80mm f2 please with none of this ‘good copy’ rubbish.
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December 15th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
A 600 f/4 DO would be insanely expensive. Only a handful of photographers would be able to afford it. I’m sure everyone that can afford it, would absolutely get one (assuming the contrast is improved).
I think the last rumor of redesigned and new hood design sounds more plausible for super-tele’s.
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December 15th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Seriously there are so many old lenses worth upgrading that a 15mm fisheye or two!!! would disappoint a lot of the user base who rely on a combination of fast zooms and faster primes to capture 99% of their shots.
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December 15th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
From Canon:
“Just to warn you about the availability of the camera: The camera is
expected to arrive at dealers in late December, so it will probably be
sometime in January that the dealers start selling the cameras”
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December 15th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
any story update for 70-200 f/2.8L IS II??
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December 15th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
I sure hope some Canon folks that influence design are reading our posts, since just speculating about rumors is of little more value. (I know, I know, we want to dream… but hopefully our threads will help folks at Canon get valuable input.)
So… Canon, from what we read, 15mp APS-C sensors are pushing the limits of many lenses to resolve. If that is true, BACK OFF. Lower noise so we can shoot higher ISO. This is more important than pixels that are just too packed together. Focus on the focus. Give us some of the nice features of the 7D changes in focus. Repeat the 7Ds smooth handling, that many comment on, in the 60D.
My wish is near 5dM2 iso performance in APS-C at 12mp with many of the innovative AF features of the 7D worked out and the usual xxD price point (and of course the micro focus adjustments). Now THAT is a camera that will make me move my 40D to a second body status…
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andrew Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
+1
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Michal Reply:
December 15th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
“Lower noise so we can shoot higher ISO”
Stop confusing your own wish-list with what “everybody” needs or wants. There are practical limits to what ISO “we” want to shoot, I don’t much care for anything above 1600 as it’s dark enough anyway and pushing ISO in near darkness makes for very odd looking pictures, basically the scene as captured on high ISO looks nothing like the human eye registers.
Anyway, higher resolution does not automatically mean higher noise, higher pixel count offsets to a large degree any additional noise when printing.
“This is more important than pixels that are just too packed together.”
Again, speak for yourself. I have little need for very high ISO but I do prefer to have more pixels to play with so I can crop and/or enlarge with ease.
The main point is that everyone has different wish list and preferences so it’s really better to express them as simply one’s wishes without speaking for “everybody” or “people” (like some so love to do).
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kubelik Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
very true. and honestly, with the 7D, canon has pretty much let us have our cake and eat it too, with more MP as well as better high ISO performance than any preceding APS-C camera. expecting an APS-C to perform like FF is being a wee bit ridiculous. there are lot of other aspects to IQ than just high ISO capability.
I do think a 15 MP or even 13 MP sensor in the 60D would provide some interesting alternative to the 7D’s 18MPs, just in terms of lineup diversity and product differentiation
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dude Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Diffraction takes over QUICKLY any increase in pixels in an APS-C sensor when shooting landscapes. Using your reasoning on noise and pixel size cancellation, we want a 40 megapixel APS-C sensor to get rid of our noise….
What lenses in the Canon lineup are able to resolve 18 megapixels on an APS-C sensor? Sample images don’t seem to show a tremendous increase in detail. Read the 7D reviews.
I want an all around camera (not a specialist tool), so that means ISO 1600 performance that is like my 40D at 400. It means 12 megapixels, if that is the drop it takes from the 7D to give me that level of ISO performance. It means smarter focusing and automatic exposure.
If more megapixels are the answer…. why did the G11 drop back dramatically? Because Canon knew it would improve noise performance AND dynamic range.
Why not offer the same camera in high and low density sensors? That could please a wider audience.
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David Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
The G11 sucks, they took 1 step forward and two steps back, what they should have done is increase the sensor size.
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Michal Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Yeah, it’s horrible:
http://photo.net/equipment/canon/g11.published.adp
“The Canon Powershot G11 may be the best P&S digicam on the market today”
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong11/page20.asp
“The G11 combines some of the best compact camera image quality with excellent levels of manual control, an optical viewfinder, flip-out screen, raw capability, superb battery life, flexible lens range and the ability to mount dedicated flashguns.”
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David Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
The G11 gives you better high ISO ability for it’s drop in MP, but the G10 delivers better images at low ISO’s (according to the DPreview review).
Quotes about the G11 you didn’t provide tell a different story:
“High ISO images lose saturation and detail (and offer no control over noise reduction).”
It has a “rather slow lens…by traditional G series standards”.
“Focus prone to hunting (and focus failure) in low light at longer focal lengths”
“Rather over-sharp JPEGS”
“if you’re tempted to buy the G11 for its image quality, flexibility of lens range or high level of manual control on a compact camera, you may find a camera that outdoes it”
“it’s clearly no match for the truly large-sensor cameras such as the Panasonic GF1 and Olympus E-P1″
“There are more readily pocketable cameras out there that offer similar image quality and, once you’re resigned to wearing it around your neck, there are not much larger cameras that will trump it for image quality (though they are more expensive).”
“Overall, the G11 does perfectly well for a 10MP camera but of course it can’t match the 14.7MP G10 at the thing it does best – low ISO resolution.”
All quotes from the dpreview.com 21 page review.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t want an increase in high ISO ability if it means less performance and quality at low ISO. This is why I said the G11 is one step forward and two steps back. Bottom line, the G10 is better unless you limit the discussion to high ISO shooting.
The G11 sucks. Canon should have increased the sensor size to get performance gains across the board, not short change us like they did just to get better high ISO ability.
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Michal Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Yes and despite all that it’s still the best, or one of the best P&S as the one sentence summaries stated.
“The G11 sucks. Canon should have increased the sensor size to get performance gains across the board, not short change us like they did just to get better high ISO ability.”
Once again David, please stop confusing your own opinions with statements of fact. You are fully entitled to say “I think that G11 sucks” and I would not take an issue with that (other than to think that you are a pretentious twit) but please do not make sweeping statements like “G11 sucks” for which you have neither credibility or knowledge to make.
Anonymous David from the Internet or Bob Atkins.. Hmm.. whose opinion should I trust more…
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David Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Obviously anything I write that is not in quotes is my opinion…learn english comprehension ability before saying such ridiculous things, Michal.
Of course you ignore all the negative quotes about the G11, hahaha, and it’s funny that you think a camera that provides worse images at normal ISO’s is an improvement…
I’ll write it again for you. The G11 sucks. You lose 4 MP and get less normal ISO image quality from the G10. No HD video. Sucks. Sucks.
And unlike you, I’m not posting anonymously, a simple click on my name and you can find me.
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Michal Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
“Obviously anything I write that is not in quotes is my opinion”
Oh good, I shall ignore all your drivel from now on.
“a simple click on my name and you can find me.”
Fail again, that does not link to any personal information.
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David Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
YAY!
It does if you look. Just because you are lazy it is not my failure.
“The G11 sucks!” There’s a good fact quote, hehe.
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Michal Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
*”Diffraction takes over QUICKLY any increase in pixels in an APS-C sensor when shooting landscapes.”
It does especially when indiscriminately using wrong (too small) apertures without properly applying rules of hyperfocusing. I have seen it many time, too many to mention, when people would step down to f/16 or higher, focus at infinity (or beyond when possible…) and complain about the results. It’s just a question of how to properly use the tool within its limitations rather than complain about the limitations and using it incorrectly.
*”Using your reasoning on noise and pixel size cancellation, we want a 40 megapixel APS-C sensor to get rid of our noise….”
Strawman argument, I have never said such thing. I said that extra pixels can off set the noise (to some degree) I never said that they could be increased beyond a reasonable limit.
*”What lenses in the Canon lineup are able to resolve 18 megapixels on an APS-C sensor?”
Quite a lot of L-lenses.
*”I want an all around camera (not a specialist tool), so that means ISO 1600 performance that is like my 40D at 400. It means 12 megapixels, if that is the drop it takes from the 7D to give me that level of ISO performance. It means smarter focusing and automatic exposure.”
Good on ya, you know what you want and I hope you will find the camera that you want. On the other hand quite a lot of people are not interested in low-light performance and prefer high pixel count. I do not follow your argument how better high ISO performance is supposed to improve focusing.
*”If more megapixels are the answer…. why did the G11 drop back dramatically? Because Canon knew it would improve noise performance AND dynamic range.”
Megapixels are not THE answer and I never said they are, I have simply stated megapixels are not the ultimate evil that people make it out to be. Pixels on the G10 sensor were much more densely packed than they are on the APS-C sensors so the drop in that case made perfect sense.
*”Why not offer the same camera in high and low density sensors? That could please a wider audience”
I totally agree with that sentiment I have previously expressed it myself, I would like to see a camera line offering two almost identical cameras but with different sensors targeting distinctive markets.
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dude Reply:
December 17th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
**Good on ya, you know what you want and I hope you will find the camera that you want.**
Thanks. I hope I can…. waiting out the 40D is not torture, but I am ready for an impressive 60D. I am just a prosumer, so I can’t ’set up’ shots and they come in lots of varieties. In door sports events, family get togethers, concerts, etc. Even outdoors, when I put on a circular polarizer, I find my shutter speeds dropping quickly at f9 or f11. When I travel, I find it a lot more convenient to carry a monopod than a tripod and so if I could pull off a shot at iso 800 or 1600 that looked like 200 or 400, I’d be happier.
**On the other hand quite a lot of people are not interested in low-light performance and prefer high pixel count.**
I want more megapixels too, but I find that 12 are enough for me at this point since I don’t have L-glass. I’ll get there one day, but it is hard to justify $8,000 in equipment when you are not making money with it….
**I do not follow your argument how better high ISO performance is supposed to improve focusing.**
It doesn’t. I meant to say these are the attributes of my all-around camera.
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Joe Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 9:26 am
+100
7D should have had a 12MP sensor w/various tech improvements (lower read noise etc).
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Sproutey Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Yeah, because the few times most people go above 1600iso far outways the benefit of higher resolution in scores of everyday situations doesn’t it?
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NickCannon Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
I’d argue that the benefit of high ISO quality images is greater than that offered by resolution improvements which are only noticeable in very large prints.
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David Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Not all photographers need nothing beyond web quality. I think both are important, and Canon always finds a good balance between resolution and low light ISO ability.
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kubelik Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
+1
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Justin Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
It’d take a different tact. Keep pushing the limits with sensor technology, but push the lens tech too. People buy a $1700-$5000 camera to push their skills and creativity and shooting options. People who invest like this are willing to invest in glass too. In fact I would argue that most people who invest like this consider the lens primary and the body secondary.
We need higher quality zooms and primes, that can outresolve even the 21.1 mpx 35mm cameras and the 18 mpx APS-Cs of today so that the next generation of camera bodies can continue to push the limits of image quality.
Please please please you have set a great pace with lenses like the new T/S 24 and 17, keep it going. The 100 macro IS is outstanding, albeit noisy. The 15-85 ef-s I hear is great. The 70-200 f4 IS produces breathtaking images. Even some of the older lenses like the 135L and the 35L are extremely capable of resolving these sensors. But there are gaps. In zooms on the wide aperture end we could use improvements: f/2.8s need upgrades. 24-70 and 70-200. A super wide super fast zoom to compete with or exceed Nikon’s 14-24 makes too much sense.
A new 300 2.8 IS that can take an improved and new 2x converter and remain sharp to the edges will make an instant classic 600 5.6 IS.
An f/2.0 zoom would really set the canon lens line-up apart. A 50-135 f/2 could be quite remarkable, but I would settle for yet another try at the 50mm L crowd. A new 50 1.4L IS for example would sell very well priced at a reasonable pitch.
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kubelik Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
reissuing another 50 that sits between the 1.2 L and the 1.4 USM seems like splitting hairs a bit, especially as both of these are currently excellent performers. I think the other items on your menu (2.8 IS zooms, ultra-wide) would certainly take priority over that.
f/2 zooms sounds sweet but I don’t know how realistic that is, the extra size and cost versus the gain in speed, DOF, and bokeh may look undesirable to most buyers.
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December 15th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Hi Canon Rumors:
After reading your rumor specs for the new Canon EOS 60D,it sounds like an EOS 50D with an EOS Rebel T1i sensor for at least 720p HD video @ 30fps and its better noise reduction higher ISO for upgrade.
I was also wondering if you knew of any rumors it having manual video exposure, manual video ISO, an external mic jack all like the EOS 5DMKII/EOS 7D and the body price. If you heard of it does or not I would appreciate it. I already have the Rebel T1i for video, but would like to upgrade to manual video exposure to use my L lenses for DOF, manual video ISO and an external mic. All of course the Rebel T1i doesn’t have and do and now I want to use and need for videography. Thanks.
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December 15th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
I really hope that they bring the 720p video at 24/25/30 FPS to the 7D!
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Paul Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 3:37 am
+1
That’s be sweet.
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December 15th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Fisheye for APS-C? Ha… I was just thinking of getting the Tokina 10-17. :)
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December 15th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Just ship me my dam 1DM4 for christ sake!
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Jesper Revald Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 6:42 am
+ 1 million! I’m about to burst here.
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kgirls Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 8:07 am
+1 Waiting by the mailbox for my 1DM4
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December 16th, 2009 at 6:43 am
What about a 24-70mm 2.8/L IS !
Do that and I’ll get the 5D MKII already.
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max Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 7:29 am
i want one of those too… I am about to stop waiting and getting a 24-105 f/4L IS… I cant cold it too much longer
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December 16th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Dear Canon engineers, I´d buy a 60D immediately if it had high iso with lower noise than at least the 50D (or even 7D), and maybe the 7D AF – system.
I don´t care for the movie mode !!!
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kubelik Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 9:18 am
I think at this point we can stop worrying about high ISO (as the 50D was honestly pretty good) and start worrying about other stuff, like color depth. In my opinion (and I know this can be debated), that’s the main thing that really makes FF images pop better than APS-C images.
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David Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
+1
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December 16th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Give me a camera exactly the same as the 7D! Call it a 60D and sell it to me for the price of a 500D.
That’s what a lot of you seem to expect Canon to do.
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Terrence&Philip Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 9:53 am
I’d be happy with the 7D af system, an XXD body, and an improved 15MP sensor (not that ridiculous 18MP sensor). I don’t think that’s unreasonable.
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December 16th, 2009 at 9:35 am
I know I am member of a minority group here – however this minority group believes that they would benefit more from a moveable LCD screen than from some other improvements such as ISO 25000 or another AF point. I just like the LCD’s we have on any 100$ video-cam which allow us to make overhead and near-floor recordings without lots of efforts or crawling in mud. I might need to choose brand to get there somewhen or I simply continue to use what I have.
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Sproutey Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Totally agree.
The advent of liveview should have been enough to make these useful. The arrival of video now makes them compulsory IMO.
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December 16th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Wait, why would I want a 60d when the 50d completely sucked and the 7d was a disaster? Canon needs to remove head from ass.
But the reply will be, oh let’s put more megapixels and claim high ISO even though it’s noisy as all hell and non usable above ISO 800.
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kubelik Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 11:46 am
wait, why would you be posting stuff that makes no sense? Mark needs to remove head from a** as well.
explain to me how the 50D completely sucked? explain harder how the 7D is a disaster? these are of course opinions, and thus valid to some extent. but in general they fly in the face of majority evidence to the contrary — most 50D owners have been happy with the performance of their cameras, and most reviews of the 7D have been fairly glowing, and clearly people have been ordering lots of 7D’s.
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jent Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
+1
I love my 50D…No performance or quality complaints at all (at least not when being realistic, obviously I would love for 6400 ISO to look like 1600 ISO does).
Also I find the claim that things are not usable after 800 ISO to be ridiculous, and clearly just a troll. Even at 1600 ISO, I don’t have to do much post processing to get my images looking clean and crisp. And I also am not scared at all of using 3200 ISO in the right situations, and yea I might spend an extra 2 minuets in post processing, but I will still produce a great looking image.
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December 16th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
The real shame about this year is how disappointing the 7D has been. Hard to accept that the Rebel has just as good image quality, if not slightly better. Will Canon ever be able to produce a camera that can compete with the Nikon D300? It has been three years now and their only attempt has been poor to say the least.
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David Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Um, you mean like how the D300s can only do 2.5 fps in 14 bit mode where the 7D blows it away shooting 8 fps in 14 bit? Enjoy your crappy 12 bit Nikon images!!! HAHAHAHA
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JCL Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
^This
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kubelik Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
ex-canonuser?
more like current-troll-er
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December 16th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
MOAR SUPERZOOM DO’s!
lol or not :)
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kubelik Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
not exactly super”zooms” since we’re talking primes here
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December 16th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
No 1080p? Frankly I do not believe that item of the rumor. The rest sounds plausible.
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kubelik Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
yeah, pretty much. you would think that, at the least Canon leaves the lame 20fps 1080 on the camera, its not like they have to develop new protocol to do so, if its still a 15 MP sensor
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December 16th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Where is the 24-70 IS USM ?!
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December 16th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
meh…. happy with my 5d MK1…. great camera with great IQ….. the only thing that would make me move is a 3D with a 7D build and the 21mpx FF sensor tweaked with gapless microlenses and increased dynamic range. Beyond that I’m saving for so canon super tele glass and alt glass (personally prefer the look of some regular offerings from Zeiss more than Canon’s glass but its personal taste). Hope they do the 3D though within the next 2 years… no rush. A 600/5.6 L IS would be pretty sweet too… frankly Id much rather see that, then a 15k DO lens…. it would be portable and still AF with a 1.4x on a 1D body…. and it would finally give us FF people some reach without sliding back into 1.6 land… sorry, but its just nice to stick with 1 format
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David Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
A 600/5.6 L IS has my vote.
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kubelik Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
yeah, if it keeps up the 400 f/5.6 L tradition of being [relatively] small, light, and cheap, but with sweet optics
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David Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
and a lot cheaper
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December 16th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
A 600/5.6 L IS would be about the same price and weight as an updated 300/2.8. Look at the price of the updated Nikon 300/2.8. A 600/5.6 will not come cheap ! None of the updated super teles will. Unfortunately.
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David Reply:
December 16th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
beats the $8000 on the 600mm 4.0
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December 16th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
60D 70D 80D 90D = boring.
if I want another crop camera I’ll get a 7D.
Bring on the 3D 12-18Mp FF with silky smooth
low iso, noise free 1600 iso, 5fps, 7D AF, 1D3 weather proofing,
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December 16th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
I agree, full frame is where this should all be headed. I stick with what i said earlier, I think 30d and 40d had better overall image quality than 50d. 7d is fine for lots of light, but really all those figures just seem to be for the marketing teams. Original 5d still beats the pants off 50d and 7d. It’s like Adobe releasing CS4 while 3 was still completely awful!
I love Canon, I just hope they start being more proactive instead of reactive in their products.
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December 18th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Nigel loves you all, Merry Christmas from Satan!
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December 19th, 2009 at 1:49 am
How about a new body with these specs
12mp FF (improved sensor from the 5D1)
9 Point AF all crosstype/center F2.8
6.5fps
Digic 4
720p 24,30,60fps
1080p 24fps
3″ 920K Dot LCD
Sub $2000
How I wish. Hehehe
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December 19th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
I think that a 500mm F/5.6 IS would be something that would be possible without being stupidly expensive and heavy.
Additionally a 500mm F/5.6 could (eventually) fit into the price gap between the 400mm F/5.6, 300mm F/4 and 100-400mm and the 300mm F/2.8.
I know a lot of birders would buy one in a flash.
A 600mm F/5.6 will still be fairly heavy and expensive.
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December 20th, 2009 at 6:46 am
These specs are nonsense. Why? Because there’s no real difference to the 50D, and of course a 60D will come. Do some people really think that Canon will stay with this lineup, with such a gap between 500D and 7D?
No, the 60D will most probably be a scaled down 7D, meaning:
- lower fps
- stripped down video
- smaller VF
- no weathersealing (to this extent)
- only one CPU
But AF and other general improvements will remain, so will some of them dripple down to the Rebels.
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December 21st, 2009 at 6:27 am
I’m fine with a lower FPS around 6fps for the 60D.
I can live with the 97-98% VF; stripped down video is fine with me as well.
I hope its priced around $1200. :)
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