EOS 7D
The beginning of the 7D rumor began back in January. We had been told Canon would axe the “xxD” moniker and move to a more competitive camera with the Dxxx line from Nikon.
Just 1 SLR in August?
I received an email today we’ll only be seeing a replacement of the 50D in August. No 1D upgrade at this time. A 1D probably deserves its own launch anyway. Canon needs to market the heck out of the line.
Spec List 1 (NL)
* FF
* 3″ OLED
* 12.7 MP
* ISO100-25600
* Digic IV
* Wide DR mode, sRAW
* 9 focus points (+6)
* 3.4 FPS
* Pentaprism, same as 5dII
* No video
* No flash
* $1999 target
Spec List 2 (CR)
* 15.1mp (apparently it will be the same sensor with some internal upgrades)
* DIGIC V (DIGIC IV a stopover to a big advancement in processing)
* New 13 Point AF
* 1080p Movie Mode
* 8fps
* 3″ VGA LCD
* 98% VF
* New Battery
* Weathersealing
* Ergonomic Upgrades
* 1x Compact Flash and 1x Secure Digital Slots
A new one floating around today says Dual DIGIC IV, 8fps and a 15.1mp APS-C sensor.
No “Affordable” Full Frame
Another email today says we will NOT be seeing another full frame camera added to Canon’s lineup, nor will there be another APS-H.
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I don’t see the first one coming, but the second variant is much more credible, under 60D name. I wonder whether the 13 points AF will all be cross type and extra sensible at F5.6 – this would make it finally compete more seriously with the D300 line.
I have a hard time believing that Canon is going to abandon both the mid-level APS-C (relegating it to only the rebels) and also leave a large price hole in their lineup.
I still can’t believe Canon is not putting the 1D AF system in the XXD series. The 5D2 with its “only one” crosstype sensor is a shame against the D700… and they keep insisting on that…
Dang!
Its been a week since Nikon announcements and we still have nothing from Canon. Not even a CR2 info. I sure hope we will not get just a 50Ds (a 50D body with video) this August… With all the talks about FF and various updates the new model better be something interesting…
I won’t be surprised to see the xxD as a 50D with video – just hit it with the ’50D N’ title.
I’m also nervous as I am currently in the market for a new body. Without anything tangible or creditable to go on at this point in the game, I am quite concerned there will be nothing to write home about in August…
As much as I would love to see a full-frame Canon DSLR below $2000 street price, I don’t believe it. For one thing, bringing FF down to the “prosumer” level would imply that in the long run FF might go all the way down to the Rebels — in other words, it would send the message that APS-C is only a temporary phenomenon, something intended to make inexpensive DSLRs possible while we wait for technology to make FF sensors cheaper (which actually I do think is true). This in turn would imply that EF-S lenses are a lousy investment even for casual photographers who don’t plan to upgrade to a pro model in the future.
There are plenty of full-frame Canon SLRs under $2000. The original 5D. Still takes great pictures, still has wonderful high ISO performance, still full-frame. Just sayin. Its not like that option doesn’t exist. No real incentive for Canon to make a cheaper FF and cannibalize the EF-S system, as you mention.
Strange specifications?!
I just want my new 16-18mp FF 1D mk4 camera!
Since Sony has a FF A850 up their sleeve, I suspect Canon will retaliate with an ‘affordable’ FF. So, spec 1 sounds credible to me. HOWEVER, that is NOT what I want.
+1 ~ My dream camera too :)
The “Spec List 1 (NL)” sounds idiotic.
no video? no flash? 3fps? 9 focus points? 12.7MP?
sounds like a downgrade to me.
“Spec List 2 (CR)” are much more realistic.
spec list 1 is very unlikely.
Spec list 2 sounds reasonable.
MOAR DIRECT PRINT BUTTONS!
No 1D annoucement?? BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
As far as the listed specs go, the second set is definitely more realistic…in a 60D of course. I think the 7D rumors are just wishes. The 5D II is gimped enough compared to the 1Ds series. Why would you want a further gimped FF camera (especially since the frame rate isn’t improved in those specs).
I completely agree. I’m concerned that the only annoucement will get is a 50D with video. God forbid we make any improvements on what the cameras are designed for…still pictures.
I was really hoping for a 1D announcement. I’ll be quite disappointed if we don’t get one.
I like #1
no way the 50D replacement doesn’t have video
basically a 50D with weathersealing? you know me, I’m sold.
In a recent post it was said that the update to the 70-200/ 2.8 IS was coming in September. I commented at that time that would be a great pairing with the 1D Mark IV.
I have no idea if / when either will come … But, if they are going to release the 70-200 in September, that would be a perfect time to introduce the 1D Mark IV.
Maybe they will introduce a 60D this month and wait till next month to bring out the big gun. It would be nice, especially if it works well.
The 50D already has video.
My bad, I was thinking 5D…:-p
The first spec list doesn’t sound realistic. 12.7mp FF would be great (the absolute high-iso king) but you just know Canon won’t do it. Furthermore: No Video? Yeah, right. Most people might never need video but it simply has become a “checklist-feature” since the release of the D90 and 5dmkII. Canon needs to win market share back from Nikon and therefore can’t afford to skip such a feature. OLED? As if Canon is known for using cutting-edge untried technologies in mainstream products… OLED displays have improved in recent years but they still don’t age well (color shifts).
The second spec list sounds far more realistic. I’d love to see NO upgrade in megapixels, just improved dynamic range and lower noise.
* New 13 Point AF – About time
* 1080p Movie Mode – No-brainer
* 8fps – Quite possible since the D300s does 7fps
* 3″ VGA LCD – Probably same as the 50d, I wouldn’t expect OLED anytime soon (see above)
* 98% VF – I’d love to see this, any viewfinder improvements are highly welcome
* New Battery – LP-E6?
* Weathersealing – Since the 50d is already quite sealed it probably wouldn’t be much of a problem for Canon to go for full sealing
* Ergonomic Upgrades – Whatever that means… probably just the usual detail changes
* 1x Compact Flash and 1x Secure Digital Slots – Would at least make a smooth transition from CF to SD
I totally agree with you. I would much rather see a “5Ds Mark II” essentially…just called a 7D. Since the 5D is comparable to the 1Ds in terms of use (portraiture, weddings, etc), my hopes is for a 5D with >8fps, 12-20 MP, and generated around sports/wildlife photography, much like the 1D
To summarize: The second spec list might not be the giant leap many people expect but looking at Canon’s past it seems far more realistic and, in the end, could still bring the XXd-line (or whatever it might be called in the end) to some of it’s former glory. ;)
Auto-Focus specific rant below…
Umm the D300 has 51 AF points and covers more image area. How is moving up to 13 AFs suppose to be competitive? I mean, is this camera at least going to spread those 13 AFs further apart because that MIGHT be helpful. If, it turns out to be another 9 AF pt. diamond layout, Canon can close shop now and stop wasting my time.
Honestly going from a 9pt. AF to a 13pt. AF… *sarcastic* “yay!” A microscopic upgrade in AF technology from my very first 20D. Pat yourself on the back Canon.
It seems like Canon wants to add new features to mask its lack luster AF technology, with the only good AF being that of the 1D cams (and MkIII made that questionable).
Without getting too technical I was hoping for atleast double the AF points and a bigger spread. Next would be a much more accurate Focusing system, the current AF on my 5D MkII is average, sometimes good at best.
And I will NOT be spending $2000 on a camera that is “suppose” to compete with something Nikon is selling for $1600 and who’s functions and features are proven to work properly. Also the D300s is coming out still $200 cheaper. Its only saving grace is the fact that it might be a FF.
I really hope these rumors are WAY off.
I’m glad this is only CR1: looking forward to the 1D4 being announced, and this is not stoking my fire.
Nope
Give Nikon’s announcement of a 3.5″ 288k pixel OLED screen on their new point and shoot camera today, the OLED rumor on the 60D/7D is more believable. Maybe they have fixed the aging issues…
Spec 1 looks like trying to go straight at nikon (12mp FF) naaah… it is too late for that…
Spec 2 seems too fast @ 8fps… I don’t see that happening either… you all know Canon’s style already… both look CR0 to me..
I think we will see the 60D first… the 1D around october or november… and maybe a couple of lenses but not a macro… just a hunch.
Considering ONLY the AF system: I don’t think 4 more AF points are enough to endanger the D300 line. A 5D-like system (9 cross type points + additional assist points) is preferable for an APS-C sports camera.
An extra selling point could be a working AF system with lens at f/8.
just give us a D700 for our EF lenses!
+1
I too was hoping for a 1D announcement. I can’t wait any longer. All that money are burning a big hole in my bank account. It must be spent quickly :-)
I’d be so disappointed if they don’t release a 1D in august or september. That would most likely mean that we would have to wait for at least march/april next year.
or february. putting it almost exactly 3 years after 1D mkIII.
I too look forward to a mkIV. thought I am OK without one for another 6 months so long as there are no serious bugs with the camera and the quality Canon needs to start being truly competetive with Nikon’s current professional line is there.
I do empathize with those people who need a 1D3 replacement right now, I’m just glad I’m not one of them.
+1
Hmm, Spec List 1 seems nothing more than a rebadged 5D Mk.I with the latest electronics added in. Spec 2 seems more believable except for the 13-pt. AF layout? Pray tell, can anyone draw me a diagram for 13-pt. layout? 19-pt. like what was said in the previous 60D rumor is more technically-feasible given the current 1-series AF layout. 13-pt. just looks more like an arbitrary number pulled out of someone’s bored a*s… =P
Overall, the 60D rumors are more believable than the 7D rumors.
Huh? That’s news to me. What would be the point of adding video on the 60D then? :P
I CAN HAS MOAR CROSS-TYPE AF POINTS FHLEASE!!11elevenoneone
So sick of the Canon body lineup and this news doesn’t help this. Canon currently has 2 FF cameras, both with 21MP, one with an AF system that works and one that doesn’t. Cost difference $4000. WTF Canon?
What is it you can’t focus on with 9 or 13 points?. Everyone should know by now that the D300 performs best when only using 9 or 21 points. I’m perfectly happy with my poor 9 points. Add one more in each corner and i’ll be more than happy.
Speclist 2 sounds great to me.
Perhaps the 15MP sensor will be expanded to enlarge each pixel…
Speclist 2 and a 400/f5.6 with or without IS will have Nikon users cry for another 2 years.
A mark II for the 70-200 f/2.8 IS would be sweet, but it would also be coupled with a large price raise.
It is already bad that the price of the 70-200 f2.8 with IS has increased in price by $300 lately.
Canon would have had to know about this before the 5D2 was released, and I can’t imagine they’d reverse the meaning for Ds/D from the Ds being high rez and the D being speed as is on the 1 series, so I think it will be called the 7D not a 5Ds.
Not gonna happen, relax
50D does not have video though I think someone did a hack for it, it doesn’t come from Canon with video ability. I’m sure the 60D will have it.
I think both is possible.
Ergonomic upgrade? Are they talking about adding more direct print buttons?
Canon no longer makes the 5D. They took it off their website some time ago.
I do believe we will have a FF around $2000 at some point to compete with Sony. All “the FF sensor is too expensive” non-sense is out the window. If Sony can do it so can Canon.
#2 but with FF and 12 MP – basically a fast version of the 5D2.
What?! No direct print buttons!! Lies!!!!
We needs moar direct print buttons.
be careful what you wish for … Canon Japan might just take us all seriously … and instead of Av and Tv modes we’re going to get two direct print modes.
or MOAR direct print buttons
yep, you got that right, spec/wish list #2 would be the 60D, not a 7D which if it ever happens would probably be FF.
The D300s is only $1600 on the scammer websites. It’s $1800 from the ligit places.
Yes, these rumors are not spec lists, they are spoof lists. You can tell because they don’t mention MOAR Direct Print Buttons anywhere!
hehe I was thinking the same thing about spoof list 1 and the 5D1
it’s not news, its baseless rumors
yay!!! who needs CMOS when we can have MOAR, the Nikon arse kicking Sony wish-it-could packing Super Direct Print button!!!
12MP FF “equals” less than 5MP APS-C. Not likely.
I think that any specs that mention Digic V should be discarded.
So I would discard the spec #2. This is confirmed by the low-probability ‘new 13-point AF’ feature.
+ 20 !
7d with 12MP ??? will never happen (and I will bit my money on it).
why ?? for 2 things.
1- Canon said no going back. so there is no way they are giving an entry level camera a 15MP and a high end camera a 12MP.
2- there is a current FF canon camera with the same spec and the same price range. it is called the 5d for ones who don’t know it. it is priced at $1999 brand new.
ok what about the 60d??
hmm the MP seems right, the FPS as well. But I don’t know about the focus system… for 1 thing that it won’t work with the speedflashes (I think, an I could be wrong). Having said that, it seems like a great peace of camera and the xxd moved to a 1 year cycle wich means an update is due this august.
http://www.techup.it/news/canon_7d_specs_teaser_rumors-02166
Where is the CR2s ???
if that is the case, I cannot think of a reason not to place an order for one:
16,8 Megapixel su formato APS-H (corrispondente a 28 Megapixel su un full frame)
processore Digic V
ISO da 50 a 25400
8,5 fps di raffica
OLED da 3,2†con oltre 1 megapixel di risoluzione
45 punti AF
Live View
Hdmi
mirino al 100% di copertura
video full hd
corpo tropicalizzato contro polvere e schizzi
compatibilitàcon le sole lenti EF
selling same price as D300/D300S
+1
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Wont that cover 13 AF points?
This would be the perfect camera.
If you say so…the 5D was 12.8 MP, just bump up the fps to 8 or 9, add a video mode, and call it the 7D. It’s more likely than spoof list #2 being a 7D instead of a 60D.
If this camera has the newer Digic V chip, and if it is priced same as the D300s, Canon will sell a whole lot of these.
The 5D is not made any more. Canon no longer sells them. Dealers can no longer buy them from Canon. Just because some places still have one and they’re trying to sell it for under $2000 doesn’t make it Canon’s offering at the $2000 price point.
APS-H is dead
A 7D without video is a ridicolous speculation, so unbeliveble for today’s standards.
The barrel of 15 Mpixel has already overpassed for all beginner cameras too…Try to exercise more your fantasy, boys, if you really want to wonder…
Look I feel the same way about the AF points since most of my work is portrait and such.
But say I’m at the beach and I see a really cool bird flying my way, forget about getting that thing in focus. Ain’t gonna happen.
Yea I’m happy with my 9pt AF, it beats the heck out of not having any like in the old days. But if you’re trying to out do the D300(s) this is not gonna do it.
And yes I know these are rumors and soft specs…but if they’re even 50% accurate I’m already not impressed.
These specs would be a lot more reasonable. Although these days all my money is blown away at buying light modifiers for my Profoto setup. Haha, maybe when I can afford it it’ll be a little cheaper.
Also if you read careful I said the D300 is selling for 1600. And I said the D300s is selling $200 cheaper than the would be Canon release making it 1800. I’ve been around long enough to know the difference between a legit seller and not-legit.
I simply checked amazon.com, they usually post fair-market.
Thanks for skimming the post lol.
I’m sure that it’s Finland where they don’t have great long discussions about something that’s about to take place-ie. they don’t do ‘what if’… I guess it’s natural to speculate on what may come about,whole industries are built on it,especially in the finance world (shares).
Come next Tuesday, Sept 1, we’ll all know for sure and that’s when I’ll start making decisions about getting the 5D 11 or a 7D, meanwhile I’ll put my time to better use. I’ve enjoyed reading all the speculative points raised but just can’t help feeling it’s been time wasted.