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I've recevied some more info about a possible replacement of the 50D/5D Mark II.
The source says a new xD camera is imminent.
The DSLR lineup from Canon will be as follows.
1000D / XS
500D / T1i
550D / T2i
7D
5D Mark II
3D (?)
1D Mark IV
1Ds Mark III
There could be some truth to this, if the price of the 7D is cut like the 5D Mark II's has been.
cr
Perhaps but the d90 is superior in build and ergos to the T2i. You can’t get the 7D cheap enough to compete with the D90. Perhaps Canon thinks the Rebel is OK against the D90 (it’s not.)
The 50d is more of a d90 competitor. The rebel series should fall more inline with the d5000. It makes sense for a 60d of sorts to come out. But who knows!
1Ds mkIV is an xD
“The source says a new xD camera is imminent.”
What specs should this 3D offer? The 5D II is allready nearly a 1Ds, there Would be a to big gap between 550D and 7D (nearly 500€, i’m European) and the 550D is no Way able to compete with a D90. But indeed Canon has the Problem that the 7D Fell off in Price pretty much, but they always priced a new cam pretty Close to à elder but higher model (e.g the 550D with 700€ to the 50D which was sold for about 750€ When the 550D was launched).
Maybe they’ll introduce a 60D with less specs, maybe under a other name. There would be many possibilities to do this. 98% VF, less batteyr capacity, less cross-type AF Sensors (11?), not such a good weather sealing, but I. guess they will put in Speedlight Commander. I know, pretty much speculation, but I’m pretty shure they’ll do so ;)
No xxD?
I find this would leave quite a hole in the range. The xxxD is too low in the range for enthusiasts/semi professionals (and too small for my chubby hands) and the 7D is too expensive for some of us.
Many have wished for a “bigger sensor high speed” camera. The 3D could be to 1D what 5D is to 1Ds.
This is a tricky spot to attack as Nikon have pretty much cornered that space with the D700, and I’m not sure Canon would want a bigger sensor in a 3D than the 1D4. Still I’d take a “fast 1.3x” type camera at lower cost than 1D4.
“….550D is no Way able to compete with a D90…..”
says who? an idiot like you…. well not worth much.
uhm.. wouldn’t a 5D2 with more focus points (like the 1D/s) be a good feature for the next xD line..?
i’ve been on the fence buying a 5D2 vs 1Ds because of this..
As a serious hobbyist I have no interest in a FF camera: size, weight, etc.
This line-up only really offers 2 choices in crop cameras and a potential of 4 in the FF/larger body camera. I, therefore, am left with only 1 option: to take or leave the 7D
With the release of new EF-S lenses over the last few years and the “addition” of the 7D I was exited by what looked like Canon building its crop line of cameras.
Who knows.
A 5Dii weighs same or slightly less than 7d w/ similar dimensions.
Can say not an 1Ds
At least not tested by me… :)
Stupid comparison.
Only an idiot would say something like this. I’m CURRENTLY using the T2i AND D90. I grab for my D90 90% of the time because I know my images will turn out better…and it’s a 3 year old camera. I’m not a Nikon fanboy, but I know a good image when I see one.
I would think that the 7D should be to the 1D what the 5DII is to the 1Ds IV.
I would like to see the next 7D use the 1.3 APS-H Sensor instead of the APS-C. I have nothing against the 1.6 but with the 7D being placed where it is, I think it would make much more sense.
Then Canon can use the 3D (or whatever they may/may not come out with) as a specialized catalyst for a new camera…
Easy. It should be a 16 MP full-frame DSLR with 2 chips, while including 7D technology.
Having only 16 MP will allow for better high ISO and DR than the 5D II, while allowing for 8 fps like the 7D.
Maybe weather sealing could be included. That, along with the new 7D technology and 8 fps would separate it from the 5 series. Lower fps and MP, along with the lack of a vertical grip will separate it from the 1 series.
I’d get it in a heartbeat!
Maybe there will be no 60D for this Photokina… but it will come sooner or later.. the XXD sells very well.
Could the 60D be rename to 9D?
3D = APS-H?
Highly unlikely.
60D will come at some point in time, but there might be reasons to upgrade the 5D2 before a new xxD could appear on the market….
Let say if the xxD would get a 16MP FF sensor then the 5D2 would be a dead horse…. Even if this xxD would get the AF of the 50D
you are right, no able to complete in body only, only idiot would agree with @moses he is just a real fanboy . every1 can say i have this and that and bla bla bla as @moses ,
guys, this whole talk about what it might be
is sort of a infinite circle.
there is no actual answer to all your prediction and questions, unless the product really hits the market (some day).
it could be tomorrow or in years.
fact is, that despite all the new rumors coming up, it has always been CR1 max CR2. But right now, its back to
CR1.
So hold your horses and relax. Be patient.
Im sure Canon will come up with something delicious. =)
The xxD will certainly not get so few Mpix.
Most ppl.want many mpix and the xxD is a consumer camera.
I hope they will never reduce the mpix, but if they do, the will certainly not do it in the xxD line…
So you say that you rather have a 18mp crop camera then a 16MP full frame camera?
I can not understand that point of view…. consumers are screeming for a low cost ff camera….
I personally don’t think there’s enough features out there to validate a 3d and 5dmk3, unless canon intends to put another shifty af system in the next 5d as well. Then your 5d becomes your “full frame” rebel, and your 3d becomes what everyone wanted the 5dmk3 to be.
I would love a full-frame “7D” The mythical 3D? Canonites will swoon.
PLEASE CANON!
hm,
why not a 9D cheap version of 5DII ?
JB
Well said.
I read this column for entertainment, but I’m getting tired of the circular logic in so many of the comments. Companies have to make money and an awful lot of the speculation here isn’t grounded in reality.
Having said that, I have to add that I took a stroll through the Nikon Rumors comments the other day. If you think Canon Rumors people are bizarre, some of the Nikon Rumors folks seem to give crazy a whole new meaning.
A new XD camera? What like a 1Ds4?
imo 5D is atm to much of a “wellknown” brand so they definitly will push III instead to introducing any new cam like a 3D in the XD lineup.
JB
fact is also, that many of those who know about these rumors, will kind of wait for the new one to arrive.
im sure that soon youll see also more 5ds being sold as used over ebay amazon etc.
Does this site even cover Canons that are not DSLRs anymore? What about a successor to the SX1 IS, or what’s new in the G series?
There is a huge Gap between the $2500 5d MK III and the 1DS MK III.
If the 1Ds MK IV is going for 32mp, there may well be a opening for a 21mp FF camera with Pro body , AF, and improved video. Its a bit foggy as to who might pay $4,000 for it though, the 5D MK II is pretty good.
What I find odd in this story is the top of the line camera “will be” a 1Ds III (not IV)
Get real. The vast majority of consumers wouldn’t know FF from a hole in the ground.
to me that has been the glaring difference and I thought that Canon would downsize the 50D replacement to knock out the D90 but so far it’s been a no go…
A smaller magnesium body that is just big enough to have the top lcd and a wheel (even a smaller one) with a nice AF system and video added to the old 50D sensor would be a great camera – priced around 1200 giving Canon
T21 at 800
60D at 1200
7D at 1700
5d at 2400
nice line up meeting all types of shooters…
But the key to me woudl be about the size of the d90 but with magnesium body, nice VF, Nice AF, kick ass camera
Yup yup yup me too me tooooo! That is the body i’m looking for!!!! Price…….$4000?
Just my speculation. I still think that there is too big of a price gap between 550d and 7d. They won’t drop 7d pricing THAT much. I believe they will fill it with a 60d this fall.
I do own a 550d and I have used my friends Nikon D90. There is no question that the D90 is a better build quality. (My 7d trumps them both) This is why Canon needs something in this critcial “prosumer” price range. This is a very fat part of the market that they won’t easily give away to Nikon D90 successor. They’ll wait for the D90 successor and release a 60d shortly thereafter.
what about calculators?
Define imminent?? Announcement next week or 2011 like most rumors suggest?
Want to know as I’m ready to purchase the 5D mii but will hold off if ‘imminent’ is actually soon.
When was this said, I think I have missed this part.
The 3D and the 60D is never going to happend with those names. As have been commented elsewhere on this site, the 3D name can be confused with a three dimentional camera. And the 60D is too close to the old D60. So maybe a 55D or a 65D og maybe the 7D is, as many people has said, the 60D.
any “serious” hobbyist would understand all the benefits of a FF camera body, strive for and hope that Canon comes out with an affordable and versatile (5D MKII doesn’t fal into that category due to multiple shortfalls) FF body.
hope not. It’s about time Canon comes out with a real D700 competitor; hopefully that is the 3D…
Nikon seems to be doing just fine in producing affordable FF cameras, thank you. (D700… that’s about as affordable as you can get for an amazing full frame camera) Maybe it’s time Canon finally got on it…
If the 3D rumour is correct, then I would also expect a full frame version of the 7D. Differences to 1D would be AF module, 2 card slots, built in grip.
A lot of pro’s like the 5D size but want something nearer the 1D features. The Nikon D700 and it’s replacement could well make the 5D look underpowered. A Nikon D800 at 16Megapixels (or more) with good AF and frame rate would compete strongly against the 5D.
The 1D is too expensive at the moment, plus the 1.3x crop sensor is liked by a few, but also disliked by a lot.
So the 3D makes sense, but time will tell if Canon brings it to the market.
ha ha ha, exactly… this rumor is bogus, and suckers like us keep commenting on silly rumors about supposed camera bodies that are imminent. :-)
I would at least 2-3 months- Nikon and Canon have some announcements to make in that time..
After those announcements, if you still want to get a 5D MKII, you’ll get for 30% less at that time. Or you’ll be getting a new camera body that will hopefully will be a few steps above anything Canon has released in FF below 5K- Canon, are you listening?
1- True enough the 5D2 is about the same size as a 7D.
2- I guess, to some degree, I’m falling into an EF-S versus EF issue.
I enjoy photography, and, despite my being serious about it, it does not mean that I need the best or most expensive equipment.
To sum up. I desire better than a Rebel and less expensive than a 5D, and having my options limited to the 7D is disappointing.
At this point I’ll be waiting on 7D discounts and used 5D2s.
Cheers
Cameras are only good when you can actually buy them.
Cameras are only good when you can actually use them properly.
Oops, I guess that would make the 3D superior to the 1D IV in almost every way.
Well, the 1D IV gets the “status” value of being a 1 series, and it does have that extra grip. Oh yeah, 10 fps too!
Sure, some 1 series owners will feel buyer’s remorse, but that kind of thing happens a lot with tech advances, including Canon cameras. Canon can’t afford to (and will not) hold back, just to maintain “order” within the lineup. Didn’t the 5D II release make having a 1Ds III seem silly for a while?
Does anyone realize the 50D is the last photo only cam on the Canon line up? It’s gotten so cheap that I’m planning on buying a second one.
At Costco yesterday, I saw a T2I bundled with a 70-300mm (and an 18-55). The price was about the same as the D90 (~$1300). I wonder if Canon is experimenting with marketing the T2I against the D90.
Of course it will fail. The D90 is a better camera. For all the “rage” about the T2I, it’s a Rebel — a glorified squeaky toy.
This rumor is bogus. Canon is not going to tip the balance against consumer-grade cameras, because in the suggested lineup above there really is only one consumer-grade camera — the Rebel. The 7D is priced far too high to be really consumer grade even if they drop the price slightly.
Canon will upgrade the 50D, or they’ll go to heck in a handbasket.
Using APS-H on next 7D would not allow use of EF-S lenses.
Current 7D kits are sold with EF-S lenses. Anyone moving up from 7D to possible 7DMkII would lose EF-S capability. In this case Canon would be abandoning their EF-S customers. I think EF-S lenses are on the rise, not decline.
3D for video
5DIII for stills
there are people who doesnt need video on their dslr
As I recall, the Canon D60 was preceded by a D30. That didn’t stop Canon from introducing a 30D.
Once they start making calculators that shoot RAW, take 1080p video and have 20x zoom like the SX1 did, then yeah, why not.
Cameras are only good when you can actually buy them AND use them properly.
“21mp FF camera with Pro body , AF, and improved video. Its a bit foggy as to who might pay $4,000”
I would certainly pay $4000 for this. This is exactly what I’m waiting for. I was seriously contemplating a 24mp RED Scarlet FF35, but, given their production delay, I’ve given up hope.
Here’s to hoping.
I understand. I was in the same boat. Why do you really need full frame though? As Joe J said, there are lots of benefits of FF, but the world is still yours with a 7d. No offense but you are acting like its a punishment. The 7d dominates APS-c. Its a real pleasure to use day in and day out. Get one and use it. Then you can add some good EF-S lenses. In 4-5 years get a used FF and add a few more lenses later. Then you’ve got both options.
I would say you are looking more at the Sep – Oct timeframe. Might be hard to “hold off” that long. Why torture yourself? Just get something you like now.
5D II is synonymous with video. Canon won’t abandon that equity.
I am waiting for for the 60D for over a year now. Would like to go FF but that would require me to change all my EF-s lenses, too expensive. Wanting HD video and EF-S and at a step between 50d/7d = 60D… Where and when is it?
550D is only an upgraded product of 500D, not two different product in the sequence.
60D=9D?
What I want in a 3D is to trade MP for FPS and Pro AF.
My perfect 3D would be:
18mp FF
Pro AF
8 FPS
All of 7D video
small body
option wireless grip
Pro weather seals
the 1D4 can be the the big MP camera, the 5D3 and be the big MP camera with low FPS and consumer AF.
I don’t want a 1D size body
I agree, I’ve stopped buying Canon waiting to see what Nikon will replace the D700 with…in all reality the only thing the D700 is missing is a 18MP ff sensor…….the D700 already is FF, 7 FPS, Pro AF, Pro weather seals, etc, etc, oh and video.
I’m sure Canon will screw it up.
yeah but if canon introduce another model with better video performance then surely people will surely upgrade. and canon will be able to charge a higher price since it is called 3D.
I want a full frame 7D.
Otherwise a 5D replacement with better autofocus and less fixed pattern noise (i.e. banding).
Better video features would be very welcome too.
Especially needs black balance function as the stuck pixels in video mode are a killer.
I don’t want a 1Ds because I almost never shoot portrait mode, so really don’t need the grip form factor.
The smaller, the better as far as I am concerned.
Cameras are no good.
They are, for budget shooters. Canon seems to be making the division between budget (EF-S, XX0D) and ‘pro’ (XD, L) bigger lately. Killing the X0D fits in nicely, but it’d cost them.
the 1000D is a discountinued product in Hong Kong
http://www.canon.com.hk/en/Consumer/Product/Discontinued.aspx?series_id=15
That sounds great. I will be happy if they can match the Nikon D700.
I don’t agree. There is nothing “budget” about lenses like the EF-S 10-22mm, EF-S 17-55mm, or EF-S 15-85mm. These are expensive lenses. They cost as much or more than an entry-level camera body. How many people would buy the 17-55mm for over $1,000 knowing they would have to dump it if they wanted a better camera body than a xxxD?
However, I do agree that Canon is making a division between EF-S and “L”, with the latter pushing out the ordinary EF lenses as the choice for full-frame bodies. If you can afford $2,500 for a 5D2, then they figure you can afford to spend more than, for example, $500 on a 100mm macro lens. You are spot on, there.
I think the APS-C 7D is here to stay. It will probably be positioned as the small sensor cousin of the 5D, with each model leap-frogging the other in features, as their releases are not synchronised. The 7D will always support EF-S and it will always command a price premium. If there wasn’t this clear upgrade path for EF-S owners, lenses like the 17-55mm would be far less attractive.
Now all we need is something between the 550D and the 7D that we can all afford!
It reminds me of the previous UK government…continually re-announcing the same things (eg 40 million to the Health Service) over and over with out actually doing it. I think it’s a cheap way of building hype with out actually releasing anything.
I don’t know if it’s still true, but here in the UK each camera in the range was double the cost of the next lower camerea. So a 1D was twice the 5D, which was twice the 30D, which was twice the 350D ect.
So a 1Ds is twice the 1D
I bought a 40D when the price fell to half what it was on release (a few months before the 50D was released). It replaced my 400D. The image quality of the two was on a par, but the 40D was a much nicer camera to use, particularly with heavy lenses. That was why I bought it and I was very satisfied.
I do not doubt that the 7D is even better. The problem is the price. I paid €650 for my 40D. The AF was faulty and, after three failed attempts to fix it, Canon sent me a refurbished 50D as a replacement. No more problems with the AF. So, €650 for a 50D. That is a lot of camera for the money. Yes, the 7D is better in just about every respect, but it also costs a whole lot more.
The (not very competitive) street price of a 7D where I live is €1,699. I could buy online and get a few hundred knocked off that price. However, there are two things I want to get into more: macro and video. The former requires a new lens and the latter a new body. If there was a 60D that was nothing more than a 50D with video, then I could afford both in about a year. Sure, that 60D would not be as nice as a 7D, but then a 7D cannot do macro when there is no lens attached.
I envy you your 7D, but, personally, I cannot justify the cost, given that I need to split my limited budget between macro and video. I’m stuck between a 550D that is too small for me, being the same size as my former 400D, and a 7D that is too expensive, being over twice the price of my 50D. I would settle for a 550D in a 50D body to get video. Then I could afford a nice macro lens, too.
Yeah, I went for the 50d as the 7d is too expensive for me and I wanted features like full cross type points, bigger body, better controls and higher fps so the 550d was not an option..
At the moment it is fine but if the 50d is discontinued then it becomes a problem unless the 7d price comes down. Which I suppose will suit me when the next 7d comes out I can upgrade to a cheaper discontinued 7d.
How could Pentax move to FF cheap camera when they have barely a handful on FF lenses left? they have a HUGE line of APS-C lenses and are stuck where they are and haemorrhaging users.
Due partly to bad reviews comparing noise on 100% crops rather than at like print sizes. A lot of people have tried my 50d and are amazed at hoe “not bad at all” it is like they “heard from reviews”.
1 friend has buoght one since mine (I got it about a month ago) and another two are just waiting a bit longer to see if a 60d gets announced before they buy one. A couple of not outstanding reviews (after canon always having great reviews) created a lot of doubt in people who haven’t actually used it… I had a k7 which had fantastic reviews as did my wife’s d90, but IMO the 50d is a substantially better camera (but not camcorder) than either.
There is logic in them knowing what the D90 II is going to be before releasing their own ’60d’ but getting in first if it has advantages over the next d90 will also help them..
Yawn…. more dreamers.
Canon is probably paying more attention to their major loss of market share within their homeland Japan.
“60D is too close to the old D60”
The 500D has the exact same model name as one of their close-up filters, but that did not seem to bother Canon.
I have a 550 (T2i) also. Its still really good and has some features the 7d doesn’t (3:2 screen, video options, etc.). I agree that it doesn’t take the heavier lens as well and feels a bit small in the hands. But in terms of output it is on par w/ 7d. Although, I do think the 7d oututs a nicer jpeg color tone. The T2i is more color saturated. Nothing wrong w/ 550d. Get it and enjoy it. Maybe when 7dii comes out you can buy my 7d :-)
The only good camera is a future camera.
I don’t disagree. I’m just saying that 5D will always be a stills and video centric camera. Canonguy implied otherwise.
camera users are no good.
To complement the EOS 7D, a camera which shows Canon’s commitment to the 1.6 crop sensor, a new lens will be announced in time for photokina which will help underpin the 7D as a camera aimed at professionals. The EF-S 15-70mm f/4 IS USM will complement both the EOS 7D and the current EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM. The EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM is currently the only lens in the EF-S line which features a constant aperture so the EF-S 15-70mm f/4 IS USM will be the perfect partner to this lens.
The EF-S 15-70mm f/4 IS USM will also compliment the EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM a lens which is currently very popular with users of DSLRs with crop sensors such as the EOS 7D.
indeed and tbh i see no room in the lineup for a asp-h at all anymore in the excisting lineup only if they make a 3d there would be rom for it there but it would not make sense to have a asp-h between 2 full frames.
as long as the 60d wont have it as thats what im waiting for to buy as main body and use the 450d as second.
yeah but video quality is
30% below 480p.
and you have to be connected to your computer
while shooting.
plus there is no mic to record the sound.
plus its an inofficial firmware update. so in case
anything happens you lose your warranty rights.
Well, Scott.
How can you be sure?
Im not trying to pick a fight…
Just out of curiosity =)
not likely,
Also not very desirable. The 1.6 cameras need f2.8 lenses. They already lose 1.3 stops DOF to the FF, and they are 1 to 2 stops less sensitive. A constant f4 would not offer the same that the 24-105 offers on the 5D, and not much advantage over existing variable aperture lenses.
I had a 400D and found it too small and fiddly (after seven months of use), so I sold it and bought a 40D. I think I would be similarly dissatisfied with a 550D.
Cameras are only good when you blog about how good a camera could be and not actually use them.
My 40D died and I sent it back to Canon. I’ll wait to see the estimate, but the T2i/7D sensor is just not of interest. So what do I do if the cost to repair is too high? Perhaps buy a used 40D? The current line up for APS-C folks like me has that gaping hole at the sweet spot of 1000-1100.
Surely the 7D can’t get down to 1100…. (oh that they had put in a more interesting sensor….)
+1
Just about everyone I know rates a camera solely on the number of megapixels it’s got. They’ll rank a mobile phone ahead of a DSLR if the phone has more megapixels. What the actual photos look like doesn’t really enter into the equation.
Plenty of buyers have X amount of cash and want to convert it into as many megapixels as they can. I’ll bet that some of them buy a 5D2 instead of a 7D for that reason alone.
Elsewhere, BMW are planning to bring out a front-wheel drive car. Heresy? No. BMW did a survey of 1-Series owners: 80% of them incorrectly thought the car had front-wheel drive. They can make a front-wheel drive car for less money and the vast majority of customers won’t even notice the difference. Only a few sad nerds (like us) will notice and even less will care.
They already made that lens: the 15-85mm. Not a constant aperture, but close enough. There is no room for a 15-70mm f/4 lens, not with the quality and price point of the 15-85mm.
If video is more important then stills, then you buy Canon, but if stills. AF, FPS, small body is more important you buy Nikon.
Canon “L” lenses are top-of-line. What does the “L” stand for?
Canon needs to borrow from Nikon and make a camera with the 10-12 mp sensor that takes beautiful high iso images…I’m tired of them pumping out these 15+ mp cameras.
I’m perfectly content with the 10.1 and 12.8 of my 40D and 5D respectively…I’ve NEVER had any use for anything higher.
Hi
i hope the 5D mark 3 or the future substitute will have the BUGGY DEFECTIVE FAULTY AF of the 7D!
it’s always canon
Does anyone know anything of a 1000d succeeder or when Canon is releasing there new entry level DSLR(excluding the t2i)?
L as in Luxury – kind of a dated word – LUXURIOUS sounds even worse. Maybe light speed or light saber? Definitely not Lumix.
Which came first? The camera or the egg?
This post is confusing:
The title possibly refers to 3 cameras: xD, 3D, 5D, or it could be refering to only 1: an xD that could be a 3D or 5D
Then it talks about the replacement of 2 cameras the 50D and 5D (these 2 are too disctinct to be grouped together) Could this mean the 50D would become something like a 9D?
Lastly the line up only shows the addition of 1 camera placed above the 5D. How does this relate to the 50D? And if the new camera is a 5D3 would it be placed above the 5D2 with the mark2 staying on the market?
We need more rumors to clarify the rumors.
Seems like I read a *lot* more wailing about weather sealing than I see actual shooting in rain/snow.
Yes.
>Yeah, I went for the 50d as the 7d is too expensive for me
I’ve read the same claim a number of times and don’t quite get it. If $600 in the context of the total cost of body, glass, flash, etc. is a dealbreaker, it seems to me as though the purchaser really can’t afford a DSLR setup, period — or, could afford the difference just fine by forgoing recreational pharmacy for a couple of months.
camera rumors are no good for my anxiety
Agree. Also the lenses aren’t really compliments. EF-S users aren’t likely to purchase 2 $1000= lenses that ostensibly cover the wide to medium tele range.
What is the logic? If you wait to release yours right after, what can you change? Nothing… everything is ready for production, right? Can they make changes to the design so soon afterwards? And why let the other guy get the jump?
Maybe I am naive and don’t understand what they can change and how quickly.
I could cough up that extra scratch, IF I was seriously impressed with the IQ from the 7D, but I am not. Sure, the jpgs look nice, but the RAW is not as impressive. I think Canon hampered sales of the 7D when they pushed the sensor so far (and got some negative reviews).
If the reviews on the IQ had been strong across the board, then more folks would have ponied up, I think, as other aspects of the camera are appealing. Instead, some of us are left clutching onto our 40Ds (and even getting them repaired) until something a little more enticing appears.
And I should say 50Ds as well…. ;-)
And the lack of video kept some of us from moving up to the 50D from the 40D, 30D, etc. That and the reviews that you mentioned that questioned the wisdom of 15 megapixels in an APS-C.
When the 7D had even more pixels and showed some dynamic range issues as well, I scratched my head and wondered if Canon was ever going to create something that would make me budge. I guess my reluctance is telling me I can survive with my 40D if I just understand that it can’t handle low light situations as well as I would like.
It is ironic that the 5DMkii has the ancient AF and the 7D has the less than stellar IQ. Imagine the IQ of the 5DMkii in the 7D at the price point of $1800-2000 and I think you are hitting the ball out of the park…. I’d find a way to buy that.
But keep shooting pictures while you wait… then it ain’t so bad….
I think I need to quit looking at anything unless it is CR2 or better….
and just buy a 7D what the hell is a few hundred dollars? In the long run you get a better AF system, ergonomics, etc…
and get a battery grip to go with it :)
I have to say the 3D will kill 5D mark (whatever).
And I dont think Canon would do this… would they?…
Anyways, my point is the difference between the two cameras are practically very little.
The (possible) difference:
The pro sealed body… I think its overrated (who wants to get their $10,000 worth of investment in a pouring rain?) bet all the pro will still use plastic bag/ cardboard cover to protect their investment
Decrease in MP… I believe with the subsequent release of DiGic processor increases image quality at higher ISO setting. Digic noise supression has been greatly effective IMO. If Canon optimizes the 21 MP sensor they have in 5DII for cleaner high iso, excellent IQ at base iso and without banding pattern at all ISO… it will be a killer sensor.
Small form factor… While the small form factor of the 5D is great, I found shooting in portrait orientation with a batt grip to be much more comfortable… I said that to myself before, now I want a batt grip so bad XD
What could make a difference:
AF, ISO performance and a little bit more of fps (than 3.9) would be beneficial though… I cant see a reason as to why not to include all these features to the 5D (whatever) body that most of us already know, use and love? :)
However… rumor’s a rumor XD it will be interesting to see what happens this year!
If I changed my views to enjoying wasting money unnecessarily and/ or feel that making wise choices when investing thousands of $$ in camera gear is a pointless consideration, then I would agree with Mick.
I agree, but when Nikon comes out with 1080 video standard in all of their next line of cameras, does that mean Canon goes out of business? If Canon drops the ball on the 3D/ 5D/ 1D MKIV upgrade (i.e. a GOOD FF sports camera) that might be the beginning of the end of Canon’s supposed high status in the DSLR market. Whatever happened to the 1D/ 1Ds MKII days when they ruled the pro DSLR realm and had almost 80% of the market?
You can use a disposable point and shoot and get good photos. I agree with Alph, it’s not how expensive your gear is, it’s how you use it. Wait a few months- Nikon or Canon will have an amazing FF camera w/video announced by then.
Do you know when I should expect a prive cut on thé 7D, like 3 weeks or 3 months. And Will it be a big drop.
100%
Now here is a crazy idea:
Take a lens with an image stabilizer and a full frame camera, both on a nice tripod.
Control the IS element through the camera to correct for an extreme left rotation and take an image.
Control the Is element through the camera to correct for an extreme right rotation and take an image.
Combine the two image in post processing and you have a 3D image. Most likely you will have to shift the images left and right so you loose part of the sensor. But FF source images will certainly be enough for APS-C-sized 3D images.
Furthermore, the stereo base will not be as large as with two independent lenses. It has to be a fraction of the sensor size, i.e. much smaller than the distance between your eyes.
The whole pack makes a single lens 3D camera!
Once you take this idea and run, you can of course optimize: For example, have an “IS” with a much larger angular range and a panoramic sensor or even two sensors. One would have to adapt the rest of the lens, probably borrowing from TS-E technology…
Here’s a neat trick.
Take photos with the 18MP sensor, and resample them to 10MP. I guarantee they’ll look better than images from your 40D under all circumstances.
Had Canon been a Chinese or Korean company, it would have stood for “Lucky”.
“Luxury” it is, though, and quite apt, too. For example:
http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20071015_eflens.html
In Australia the 7d is double the 50d, so thats $1000 difference. I spent that difference on my 70-200 f4 L, I much prefer to spend money on lenses than on such a huge price difference in bodies.
unlike you, I guess? I am not a pill popper.. nice accusation though…
70-200 f4 L IS
At the end of the Celtics-Lakers game last night I caught a glimpse of a big 1Ds type Canon being waved around. The thing had a big, protruding thumb wheel dial instead of the usual flattened dial. Is that just someone’s modification? Is it something you can buy and attach to a wheel?
I would find the money for a camera like that too, I guess they won’t do it as it may break the upgrade cycle for a while if we had a camera like that???
Well maybe they expected the d90 II to come out a while back now so they had time to make adjustments to the 60d. As you say I am only offering a possibility. I have no idea how much lead time they need to make feature changes. Or whether they could have multiple specs (feature differences) ready to start production depending on the competitions specs??
If they are thinking their camera is better, another advantage of waiting is you announce your model days after theirs and take the wind out of their announcements…
Or maybe the 7d is it and their will be no 60d, they may just put some features down into the xxxD line over time??
You keep bashing 7d image quality to justify your 50d purchase. DP review and others have shown that 7d is way better than 50d image quality. Many have said that some of the negative reviews 7d are too extreme and don’t match up with real world use. Here is a comarison of 50d and 7d for you. IQ on 7d is obviously superior.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos7d/page21.asp
Same is true of the raw files:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos7d/page24.asp
Comment was to Joel not Dude.
Only a small handful of people will go out and buy a new camera immediately upon release. Canon and Nikon are competing for the Christmas dollars that will be spent later in the year.
I own the 40D, and recently borrowed my friend’s 7D for a shoot. I was very impressed with the sensor (though not surprised, as I’ve read the reviews,) and were I in your situation, would absolutely upgrade. No question.
I could use that argument and work up to arbitrary prices in $600 increments…
Interesting – I am watching the World Cup looking for the new 1Ds with nothing sighted as yet though there are a lot of white lenses out there, more than I thought there would be. Cool – Go England!
Have you used a 7D? I don’t understand where your position is coming from; I’ve used both the 7D and 40D, and the 7D is just flat out better for low light.
I live in Seattle, it’s June, it’s rained everyday this last week, I wait a pro weather sealed body, but not one the size of the 1D brick. In Seattle, if your not willing to go out in the rain, you don’t take pictures.
or printers?
Thing is what can Canon add to the 7D to make it worth upgrading from the current model? One thing I would like to see from the T2i is a limit on auto ISO but that should be able to be implemented in firmware.
I’m more inclined to believe the 7D is the “small-sensor cousin” to 1D Mk 4. They are both high fps cams catering to fast action captures.
whereas 5D Mk 2 in comparable to xxxD in framerate. leaning more to slower scenes.
the closest “full frame 7D” has to be the 1D Mk 4.
The only cameras i trust are my two eyeballs!!
nikon’s next generation cams will use 14mp sensors according to nikonrumors.
who could contest such a reliable source as you! :rolleyes:
you’re right, crazy idea.
It won’t be 3D. The one lens does not give two images with different view points.
And the TS-E lenses give wild distortion at the edge in the direction of the shift. I suppose you could correct them after in software. Expensive and not really a 100% solution anyway.
Essentially, for 3D you really do need to take two images at different viewpoints. Probably the best bet would be two cameras close side by side, but with the Canon system the lenses will be farther apart than human eyes so the perspective will be unnatural. So then the best bet is shots in quick sequence with tripod moves – unfortunately this is only useful for landscapes and still lifes.
Forgot to mention that the TS-E lenses only give the perception of a different viewpoint – if you have ever used one you’ll notice that as you shift them the view appears to be tilting in the direction of the shift, i.e. an upwards shift is really rotating the view upwards as if you were tilting the whole camera back on the tripod, toward the sky. Lines just stay in the same place, that’s all. There is no actual change of viewpoint, just a different view out from said viewpoint. Having lines stay straight gives the impression the camera is somewhere else but of course it is in the original position, and close examination bears this out.
I doubt IS can be used to achieve this effect. I doubt there is enough image circle on the front element to do camera movements with IS; the moving IS elements just keep the image in alignment for a little bit of camera shake. It shouldn’t be able to pull a view 45 degrees off the film plane like a TS-E because the front element is not gathering light from there to begin with. With a TS-E the large front elements are gathering more far light than will be a part of the image at any given moment; the camera movements just let you select from where.
Back on the original topic – I’m not sure any but the smallest lenses, like an old EF 28-90mm III zoom I bought for $20, and EF-S lenses could fit close enough together on a special-purpose 3D body to allow 3D imaging (I also wonder if that would require a swinging mount…). I’m sure that autofocus alignment would be another issue – the 3D positioning might help the camera select focus (at medium ranges on out) but actually making lenses focus is another issue. Ergonomics of simultaneously handling two lenses with the AF-MF switch in the usual place would be hellish.
Agreed, since the D90 price point is above the Rebels and below the xxD. Canon and Nikon doesn’t compete directly in the lower-end of the market.
I had the choice to buy either a D90 or a 550D..
Chose the 550d because of it’s filming capabilities but if the D90 had the same video options I would definetly buy that one.
I need a 60D to come out since I already spent a lot of money on my lenses and I don’t want to buy a 7D
my gear:
550D + 18-55mm + 15-85mm + 50mm f1.2 + 70-200mm f2.8
otherwise if their will be no 60D this will be for sale so in advance reply to my post and make an offer on the equipment because by the time the 60D is not coming out this all could be yours and new Nikon gear could be mine.
Or I’ll buy a 7Dii with the money of the 50mm f1.2
greetings from a 16 year old photographer
Newbie to Canon I can tell. There’s a Canon camera called an EOS-3 since the late ’90s. So adding a “D” to an already existing product line is just to be expected. If you can’t distinguish between that camera and a camera that takes “3d pictures”, then please stop kidding yourself and confine yourself to using P&S’es and celcams.
Cameras are only good when they are not EVIL.
The D90 is a glorified plastic toy with a pentaprism and a slightly larger handgrip than a Rebel.
Numbers please. As long as they are still #1 in the world market, that’s the only thing that matters.
Yeah, why not make a dozen more 12MP cams, they already have 10 of them. :P Lulz.
To be expected since there are already a number of Sony sensors with 14MP being used in various cams.
Well trolled sir. Hats off to you.
Wow, not much of Canon lover are you, if you’re contemplating on getting Nikon gear when the 60D doesn’t come out. :P
Nothing in life is free, and 3D imaging certainly confirms this rule.
With a TS-E lens you could shift the optical axis, but only by a few millimeters. As a stereo base, that is extremely small and probably useless, but you do get two images that correspond to slightly different viewpoints. The key point here is that the lens shifts.
The trick with the IS or an “upgraded” equivalent thereof will probably not work, since it will not shift the optical axis at the level of the front element.
But as several people here have pointed out, for ergonomic reasons and to just physically fit two beam paths next to each other some solution other than just posing two lenses next to each other is needed.
For teles, I can imagine a common front element and split elements further down the lens, projecting two separate images on either one large or two small sensors. For wide angles, however, I cannot see how this could work.
In any case, new lens designs are needed – except for shifting lens and camera on a tripod.
Will prospective buyers of the 3D have to take a test on the history of Canon film cameras, to ensure that they have the required knowledge to buy one? I own an EOS-3 owner and agree with AAJ. Naming a camera the “3D” is a really bad idea that is not “just to be expected”.
I really do love Canon but they have let me down with their image quality tough Nikon has been letting me down with their low mp’s.
I love the 550D’s 18mp censor but it’s low light capabilities compared to the D90’s and it’s high ISO noise capabalities are just not as good. It also has a very slow 3.7 fps compared to a also slow but reasonable 4.5 or 4.7 whatever it is on the D90.
And video ohh my. D90 SUCKS on that. Canon really blows that one out of the way the 550D is a mean machine if you love making videos. but focusing still sucks. I have invested thousands of euros and dollars on my equipment so I bet you Canon will be bringing out their 60D!
or else.. would you like to buy some of my equipment?
Bye
You are pay the price for the APS-C 18 Mp sensor.
If you are a pixel peeper, You need extremely good lens to make full use of the 18 MP sensor. You pay for poor High ISO performance regardless what lens you are using. Try shooting with f4 to 6.3, you may get a better picture due to the minimizing of the diffraction effect. That is why I bought a used 40D instead of 7D( which I have been waiting for 2 years after my 20D is having a slight intermittent shutter release problem). I do not care for the 50D and the 7D also disappointed me in High ISO performance.
Having owned both the 5D2 and 1Ds III I can tell you that the 5D2 is not nearly a 1Ds III, not even close. I know everyone is wanting a 1Ds without the vertical grip and be called a 3D. I want that too but it is not going to happen. If Canon ever had any intention of releasing a 3D it would have happened already.
Hence my point – you need an amount of shift roughly equivalent to what the human eye sees. The TS-E 17mm offers something like 12mm, but I don’t think that’s enough. And then you’ll have to deal with the distortion from the lenses, which seems to require stretching the image out, more as you get to the end in the direction of the shift (both pulling it out to the end but also, possibly, perpendicularly to the direction of the shift – as I indicated earlier, shifting only keeps lines straight; it is not a surefire end to the “falling away” phenomenon; it’s very hard in practice to keep all your lines straight when using the shift).
You realize this comes at a grievous cost to quality. Looking at one of my shifted images, you’d have to interpolate nearly one full pixel for every one you have in place at the end of this shift.
A split lens would work for the purpose of creating a stereo pair, perhaps with a pair of internal shutters to block each lens in order. I think in this case the internal IS group is a needless complication, perhaps; it seems more a surefire thing either to aim the outer pair of lenses at a common inner group, or perhaps to have a “fixed” pair of inner groups moving in unison that continue to focus each outer lens more directly on the focal plane. I imagine that the image plane might not end up completely parallel to the sensor in such an alignment, however.
And we’re still left with the problem of the snaps not actually being simultaneous. Perhaps if there were a way for one group to shift the wavelength of one side of the image, and then correct for that later…but that would essentially be a fancy version of red/blue glasses and would come with quality ramifications. Two-sensor solutions make the most sense, but nearly disposable P&S cameras are taking over that segment already.
Where did I bash the 7d???? you are reading something I definately didn’t write.. I know the 7d has better image quality I just can’t justify it at double the price (here)..
Maybe you misread where I said the 50d was much better than the k7 as being a comparison to the 7d??? (k7 is from Pentax)..
I am a strong Canon supporter and I’m one sided on the Canon vs Nikon battle. But I do believe that both do a fantastic job of imaging. The big issue I have with any battle between the brands is that on both sides people will buy the top camera and brag about it but put cheap glass on it and expect me to ne impressed with their average images. If you must cut costs do it in the camera body and get great glass then you will impress me with your images as well as your knowledge of your equipment. What is everyone’s thoughts on this?
So I’m thinking…..
I’m going to get the 550D this summer, but should I wait a little bit and hope the price will fall for 7D to what the current price is for 550D?
I do not think that will happen. It may drop another 0ne oe two hundred dollar at best. just look at the price history of the 40D and the 50D.
I agree with you 100%. On the other hand, canon has been misleading the uneducated consumer also. Canon has been teaming its 2nd or even 3rd rated lens (cheap kid lens) with the new 18 Mp bodies, including the APS-C “Flagship??” 7D. That will give some consumer a feeling that any lens is good enough. Nikon is doing the same thing also.