Finally?
I received an email claiming the 60D will get a dumbed down version of the new 1D autofocus system. There will be more AF points and have a more pro “feel”.
The new autofocus system is apparently built on the current 1D system. It’s not going to be completely new. That doesn’t really worry me at all.
50D AF
A friend of mine who is a professional nature photographer and insanely avid birder has been shooting with a 50D recently.
He’s been quite impressed with the AF system.
“I’ve been using my new 50D body and have found it to be excellent for bird photography. I’m most impressed with the incredibly quick and accurate autofocus, as well as the fast frame rate. It blows away my 1DsIII body for shooting birds.”
You can visit his blog and check out his last 2 posts for pics taken with the 50D here.
I posted this because he’s a real world photographer out there everyday.
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I wonder if he’s had the latest fix performed. I own both a 1D3 and 50D and shoot a lot of birds, but I simply can’t wrap my head around people saying the 50D is better. The Mk3 is simply more aggressive, and tracks properly against busy backgrounds for one. Part of the reason probably has to do with the 50D having such small AF points it’s hard to keep them over your target.
He is talking about the 1DSIII, not the 1DIII. I thought they had the same AF system, though …
No the 1D3 is much faster and more accurate than the 1Ds3. The 50D has a very good AF. I wonder if this rumor is true.
Ahhh, first step on long road to real semi-pro features.
lets hope the 60D will be a real contender to the Nikon d300/d400. 50D was a real letdown for me, hoping to see a canon version of the d300 with grip and all.
Well, if that comes true and Canon makes further improvement on their 15 MP APS-C sensor, I will be one happy camper. :)
If they’re going to cram a 1-series AF system in a 60D (which would surprise me), I can’t wait to see what AF system they put in the next 1-series…
Can someone get me a time machine? I’ll promise to report back on all the goodies.
Lets hope Canon really steps-up their game for their middle range cameras.
The reasons I am not interested in the 50D is the old AF, poor weather sealing, and disappointing high ISO.
The reasons I am not interested in the 5D2 is the old AF, poor weather sealing, and I need at least 5 FPS.
I don’t understand why camera AF points are not on the rule of thirds, or at least close to the rule of thirds.
canon’s next generation will continue to lag behind nikon until they address the AF issue.
this generation, nikon kicked our side’s keesters in that area, AND build quality.
gah.
No Chance that you will get full pro autofocus in 60D. We can only hope for a improvement.
The better autofocus feature is one of the things that Canon has decided to make a premium feature for full pro cameras only.
There’s nothing to ‘cram.’
Google search the EOS 1V. It’s the 1D series autofocus system in a 40/50d style body. It’s been around for a while.
If this news is true, it’s exactly what I’ve been waiting for. A digital crop sensor version of the eos 1v.
Uhh…no, that’s a 1 series film body from 2000 +/- a year, its considerably more rugged than the 40D/50D, and most of the time they were sold bundled with a power drive that gave it 10fps (9 with AF). its also FF (duh, since its film), meaning that it has a considerably larger viewfinder than a 40D/50D with the 1.6x crop, so there would be some cramming to put that AF system in a APS-C body. A better comparison of what you want turned digital is the EOS-3, which was the originator of the 45 point AF system, which was then put in the EOS-1V. Personally I think they’ll take the 19 cross points out of the 1 series AF and use that.
and can anyone tell me why this auto focusing system, or at least more autofocusing points didnt come on the 5dmk2? i would have gladly paid for those extra points.
The point I’m trying to make is that the cameras regardless of their build, are very similar in size (I know this because I own both a 1V and a 40d) Nothing needs to be crammed anywhere. I wouldn’t see it as a massive problem for canon; they have fairly decent product engineers.
There’s going to be room between the 5DmkII and the future 1DsmkIV. I think a 3D is not out of the question with the enhancements you mentioned.
yeah its not a massive problem. but there is an issue: the submirror (which bounces light to the AF sensors can only be a certain fraction of the actual reflex mirror. Since the FF mirror is significantly larger than the APS-C mirror it is unlikely that they can just put the 45 point AF into a 1.6x body without downsizing (cramming) it. Its not related to body size.
I never understand the people that say poor weather sealing…
what are you basing it on?
is there a rush of cameras being returned based on weather sealing that I am unaware of?
And please don’t bring up the antarctica stories – percentage of the nikons that failed was the same…difference was there were just way more canons
As for the AF – my 5D2 center point is just as accurate as my 1D2 center point…I’d love to see a poll of the percentages of people that use how many points…
As for the frames per second – that extra 1 per second you need…if you had said i need 8 or something i’d understand and I’d tell you that the 1D3 is very nice…but to say you won’t buy a camera because of 1 frame per second is just strange.
say what you like about nikon build quality but their grips are always falling apart – and the cameras are just plain heavy. if canon made a XXD camera as heavy as the D300 people would complain how heavy it is…
As for the AF – 51 points covering the same area as canons 11 points doesn’t make that much sense to me…
Agreed. Anyway, I’ll be quite satisfied with 17 AF points, comprising 8 in the peripheral and the rest clustered around the center for AF tracking. See, Canon, I am quite easily pleased… :D
Regarding weather sealing – I live and photography in the Pacific Northwest of the US – the winters here are much worse than MR’s Antarctica trip.
Regarding AF points – I only use the center point about 25% of the time, I know I could use AF points using the rule of thirds, so say 21 to 27 AF points spread-out in a rectangle, I’m tired of the focus / recompose method – it’s a waste of time, your photography methods and needs aren’t mine.
Regarding FPS – I really would like 6 to 7 but I don’t need 10, and 3.9 doesn’t cut it. Really.
Dave
this site got issues with me. every time I post I don’t see my post >_>.
anyway, canon should of done this earlier and they should of done it with the 5d markII. not that it needs it (the 50d doesn’t also need it). but people at least will stop complaining. they should of gave them 4 extra fake dots and thats it!
I’d be quite pleased if 60D will have the 50D AF system, with the additional 6 “Invisible Assist AF points” in 5D
Really? Very interesting. Want to share your source of information about the AF on the MkIII? Maybe some weblinks, or Canon documentation?
Because right now your claims just have the ugly smell of BS…
Go and get them both for 1 day testing….
where are the old comments?
I love my EOS-3, much more than my 40D… and yet it was released a more than a decade ago.
The weathersealing thing is still way over-blown, trust me, the winters here in Quebec are a whole lot worse than the ones in the Northwest US and I`ve never had problems with my 350D or 40D in the winter.
the weathersealing thing has ALWAYS been overblown – i’ve shot in the rain, the snow, etc and never had a problem either…
to Dave – now you are saying 6 or 7 and that makes more sense as a complaint though the answer remains that the 1D series answers your issues…all of them
I think the 50D is a great camera. I wish I had bought one the day after Thanksgiving when I had a chance to get a new one for $850, but I was saving to pay for my 5D2.
I don’t want a 1D3 or 1ds3 size body. I don’t want the integrated grip. I want a 50D or 5D2 size body with the option to use the 5D2 wireless grip when I am in the studio.
And I’m willing to pay for the smaller body I want, Canon just doesn’t make it yet.
I am not asking for the 1D3 AF system, I just want something between the 9 50D AF points and the 45 1d3 AF points, say 27 AF points in a rectangle on the rule of thirds.
I am not looking for 10 FPS because Canon is already making the 1D3. But the 50D is 6 FPS, so 6 FPS would be fine.
I am not looking for 21mp as that would compete with the 1Ds3 and 5D2, so keep it 15mp or even drop down to 14mp if Canon can not fix the high ISO noise in the 1.6 crop.
Actually I would really love a 16mp FF, with true large pixels, for true high ISO RAW capture. Even Chuck admitted that the new 5d2 sensor does no better than the 1Ds3 sensor at high ISO RAW capture, that only in JPGs does the 5D2 process better.
Yes I want 1D level weather sealing and I am willing to pay for it. So how much would it cost, $100, $200, $500, now much does it really cost for 1D series weather sealing? What was the cost to Canon in bad press when all those 5D2’s failed on MR’s trip?
Canon needs to come out with true mid-level camera bodies.
Dave
PS
Actually nothing would make me happier than for Canon to make the 1D4 21mp and 15 FPS and the 1Ds4 30mp, that way Canon could then make the true mid-level camera I want without it in any way competing with the top series.
If the 1D 4 is 21 MP there goes its ISO performance, and about half the people (or more) who want that camera (including me) are going to start watching a different rumors site if you know what I mean.
PS, the normal ratio of speed to resolution between the 1D and the 1Ds is the Ds has just over twice the resolution at half the framerate, having had a little more work done on the computing system.
In the one that says 60D/7D, not 60D Autofocus, you have to scroll down some on the main page
+1.
Multiple AF points clustered around the center is what I’d like to see in the xxD series.
since the 5D2 has better ISO performance than the 10MP 1D3 i don’t know where that argument comes from. It holds no weight in the real world.
I think the 50D already has those points and that is why its Af is ‘better’ than the 40D (I have not used either camera). I could be wrong though.
a) that is a point of contention involving the usefulness of downsizing and upsizing
b) if they sued the same technology with less resolution then they could make a much cleaner sensor, which is more important than the additional (i think mkIV will be 15MP) resolution. If they give it a 21 MP sensor I have to question if Canon pays attention to market feed back.
the basis of comparison shouldn’t be 5d2 to mkIII, rather 5d2 to D3, thats the kind of ISO performance Canon is going to need to remain competetive within sports and photojournalism.
the reason this news is really weird is that full frame cameras are what need more auto focusing points. im saying this of course because the sensor is much bigger, there is more to use, eather spread the focusing points out canon or make more of them on the full frame cameras (5d)
having used both cameras in the real world I find the 6400 of both to be ok – nothing special. when you consider that $ difference between the two cameras and where they fall in the respective line ups it becomes pretty clear that Canon still has the advantage. The 1D3 is nearly a year older than the D3 (little more actually) and the ISO is still very close. The new 1D will be in the 20 range and run 2 digic 4’s meaning it can easily move at 8-10 fps in raw at that resolution.
There is always the possibility of a Digic 5 that will be even faster and cleaner as well…
The main point was that to arbitrarily say that at 21 they lose the ISO is still wrong…The 5D2 is a sub 3000 dollar camera that can shoot usable (certainly for photojournalism needs) 6400’s – the new 1D will be better…
Any mention to video mode ?
What a tard, of course, the 1DS MK III is not build for sports, like the 1D serie.. It’s pretty slow like the 5D markIII and to slow car racing or something. That fool compared 1Ds MKIII and 50D ahah that’s is a joke => CR0 ^^
Do you think Nikon “crammed” D3 AF into D300? I don’t think so.
To me it makes a sense. As far as I know, you can choose only some of those points, but those points do get some assist from the cluster of the points around them. Imagine multiple small versions of the current 9-point AF to choose from. That’s the key to accuracy! Not just one or two AF baselines guesstimating the focus in the peripheral parts of the AF area. That’s the secret of the many-point AF systems.
That’s simple. Because Canon wants you to buy 1D.
Am I missing something, the 40D does have the same auto focus as the 50D does it not?
Cheer’s