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60D Spec List? [CR1]

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Lists are flying in now
Below is a spec list of the upcoming 60D as told to me this AM.

Specs
– 18mp
– ISO 6400 Max
– 9AF Points
– Articulating LCD
– New Menu System
– Movie mode like the 7D

All very plausible.

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  • Not at all!! “9AF Points-” – that is our good ol’ Canon. :-) Seems very real. Don’t forget the 20D->30D “upgrade”.

  • Articulating screens just don’t make sense on a prosumer level camera. They are to much of a weak point that could compromise the whole integrity. I see them as a handy but ultimately pure consumer extra.

  • What the hell is this?

    A 550d body with a different modelnumber on it?

    It better have a digic V or something. SOMETHING TO DISTINGUISH IT FROM THE 550d AND 7d !

  • Makes perfect sense IMHO. Fits nicely between 550D and 7D price and feature wise.

  • Of course the 60D will have all the xxD goodies like a metal chassis, 6.5 fps shooting, CF slot, …

  • Take a moment to compare the 50D with the 550D and you will see what differences there are.

  • I think this seems very plausible. This spec list was kicking around with a photograph of a “55D” when I saw it. This is the kind of thing Canon does on a regular basis with their “upgrades.” Frankly, I might go for it if the screen part is false. I didn’t want to buy the T2i because of the build and the 7D had more than I needed in a backup for my 5D Mark II. Priced at $1,100, this would be very tempting for me.

  • I like the articulating screen. With a conventional optical or electronic viewfinder, Its just point and hope when you need a low angle or to hold a camera over your head to get the shot.

    Its not a commonly used feature, but when you need it, it is very handy. I’ve tried the canon right angle finder, it is pretty clunky compared to a articulating screen.

    Its pretty unlikely that I would buy one, but if its popular, perhaps they will offer it on high end cameras.

  • sux!

    these infos are useless.

    i could have forseen that from a cup of coffee.

    what about speed, processor, viewfinder etc.. etc…

  • It may be a weak point but the articulating screen is even handy for photography.

    I had (still have ) a G3. The articulating screen came in very handy on a regular basis: shooting over crowds, low shots, odd angles, trying to be discreet. I was really rough on that camera and my son started using it when he was 8 years old. Kids running around beating up on the camera. The screen is still undamaged and working perfectly.

    I now have a 5DII, and a 40D back-up, but I would buy a DSLR with articulating screen, and not just as a back-up. If the screen ever breaks, get it fixed. It’s very handy.

  • the 55D pic seemed very fake imo.. the second 5 was identical to the first, in regards to where the bright specs in the paint was placed, and also the second 5 was not aligned with the first and the D, it was placed slightly lower.. just a bad copy/paste job..

  • ISO 6400 Max -> Very disappointing. High ISO-values are a main-reason for me why I want to upgrade.

  • if they keep the MP’s at the figure given, there are good chances that even at Canon MP race is slowing down. 1DsIV 32 MP, 5D Mk III 24 MP?

  • I think that the ISO will be the same as the 7D and 550D- 100-6400 with expansion to 12800.

    IMO, an articulating screen is highly plausible as Nikon’s D5000 has one, and canon is likely to try to match it as i think it will also be in the D90 replacement.

    But, I wonder on the possibility of dual card slots- SD/CF. Would this be something that canon would add on the 60D in addition to the articulating screen to set it aside from the 7D and the 550D?

  • I’m always surprised when people say they don’t want certain enhancements like the articulating screen. I for one would love it.

    1. When framing on a tripod you are not always at eye level. It will save some stooping.

    2. This will be fantastic for video work, since you can’t use the viewfinder.

    3. When I’m shooting stop motion my camera is always a odd angles and I focus using the connection to the laptop but I frame using the camera LCD.

    4. It’ll make it much easier to see shots on a sunny day or when I’m just sitting next to the camera while shooting time-lapse.

    All in all an articulating screen can be a back-saver. I for one would love to see more features that my point and shoot has in the body of my 40D. Remember if you don’t like the added features you don’t have to use them.

  • Do you guys really think the 60D will be a downgraded 50D to match the 550D?
    What about the frame rate?
    What about build quality?
    What about environmental sealing?

    You could have argued the same since 350D vs. 20D…

  • Dual slot seems pretty useless to me, don’t you think?
    CF has enough power and capacity to simultaneously record JPG+RAW, and just to have them separated you could use different folders.
    SD cards can easily be used with CF/SD-Adapters.

  • BTW: Dual CF slots would make a nice option to double write speed when shooting bursts (writing images to both cards just like a RAID0 does).

  • I was thinking it might be to lessen the impact of moving to CF cards for rebel users which are used to SD cards. And as far as i know, nikon hasent had a camera at this level with dual slots yet. Maybe canon wants to do it first instead of playing catch-up later?

  • I would be create to have a screentouched LCD instead of an articuled one.

    But canon menue is very nice to use it today, compared to Nikon

    With 15MP with last hight ISO control with be perfect

    Wait and see……

  • I’m underwhelmed, nothing here to make me want to replace my 40D. Looks like Canon wants me to buy a D400.

  • If I’m not mistaken, in Canon cameras, the menu is tied to the processor. So a new menu system WOULD imply a DigicV. As the Lantern people have said, the menu system isn’t nicely separated from the firmware, but kind of hard wired. That would also point to new menu-> new processor. And that would probably also imply that the video wouldn’t have line skipping but really use the whole sensor. Now a days a 5D mkII uses something like the 12% of the 16:9 sensor area. Think how you could improve the image quality by taking 8 time more light into consideration. It’s 4.5 stops faster!

  • There’s a lot of nice things about dual slot. Can double effective throughput of your cards. Makes older/smaller cards more useful, as you can double up storage. Or alternatively, you can mirror to protect against card failure.

  • like wuschba – I would also be interested to learn what exactly a “articulating” screen is. And whether “swivel” screen is a synonym. Can anyone educate non-english native people ?

    I strongly believe that in few years we will have screens on the cams which are as smart as i-phone. I am not saying that all buttons will get removed – but there is a lot of nice things you could do being able to use the screen for more than monitoring.

  • Agreed, as long as it swivels from the bottom like the Nikon D5000. Actually, better yet, let it swivel from the top so that the 45-degree or 90-degree angles are the easiest to choose and involve the fewest maneuvers.

  • You believe that I believe in an articulating screen? Or do you don’t believe that me not believing in an articulating screen am right?
    :P

  • The screen would also be useful when the camera is on a telescope photographing the night sky. Sometimes you have to grovel on the ground to check the framing on the LCD!

  • No but it is the same as the current 40D/50D so absolutely no improvement in that area.

  • smells like bollox tro me why would it have lower iso then the 550D and still a 9 point autofocus and 7D/550D movie functionswould be silly as they can add better features by now.

    and the articulated screen shouldnt happen on a xxD body as its more something for a xxxD series camera or a true video aimed dslr.

    if thyey actualy bring it out like that i might sell my camera and hop over to the other side i want a 60D but it has to be worth it.

  • Yes, otherwise it would bite 7D’s tail.
    So 60D won’t be too much to be excited about!

  • You really thought Canon would make a cam as good as 7D? Costing 60% of the price 7D costs?

    No way hosee.

  • So let me guess, you want: 19 AF points; weather sealing; wireless flash commander and 100% viewfinder? Oh, but you don’t want to pay out for a 7D, right?!!

  • What would you have expected?
    The AF out of the 7D? There would be something wrong with your mental health if you had thought Canon would do so.

  • It’s not a matter of price in the first place: I would buy a 7D, but it’s just to heavy for my use and has a lot of stuff I don’t need (like a lot AF-points and a double DIGIC4 for 8fps-serial-images) – so why pay for it? But the 7D is almost 1 year old now, so I would expect at least the same sensor or even another step in sensor-technique for a xxD for some $/€ less then the 7D.

  • These specifications are a bit on the ‘obvious’ side, I think that most people would have guessed them without access to any sources close to Canon. The only although area where this source has stuck their neck out is with the articulating screen (which would be nice, btw).

    Personally, I like the idea of the slightly smaller form factor, mentioned in the previous rumour. Something like the Pentax K7 (lets stop this Nikon myopia).

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk7/page4.asp

  • Personally sounds great with one caveate…looking for real AF for video (yes I know this would be better then the 7D, but I would think this is a viable addition)

  • Articulating screens may be smaller though as they need the protective surround, your 3″ screen may drop to 2.5″.

  • An LCD screen that can be moved around, up down etc., like the on D5000. I find it useless unless AF in video improves.

  • Why wouldn’t they? The AF system of Nikons is very similar between high end and low end models.

    Canon could at least pretend to be competitive couldn’t they?

  • Humbug to this rumour, its just not a big enough step to create interest. 7D wow 18MP and whole new line. 550D WOW an almost 7D for half the price. Now 60D with a swivel screen and a better processor – mmmm can’t see it myself.

  • A Canon DSLR with articulating screen….Exactly what I have been dreaming about for years. Any keen photographer with disabilities will snap this one up. Yes, I have looked at the D5000 many times but much prefer Canon for the feel, handling and menus. A personal choice, yes, but one which I think many others will echo.

  • The 9 point AF is a no go for me. Been there, done that, the 7D still stays in the running for me. I was hoping for at least 11.

  • what’s about a 7D mark II or a successor of the new line XD?

    nobody believes , doesn’t it?

    every year , canon puts in the market a new XXXD and XXD

  • do you want a 60D ?

    18MP
    and movie?
    in short a 50D with 18mp and the ability to make movie

    in short A GREAT CAMERA , A MASTERPIECE , better then D300?????

  • Might not be so bad, as long I can zoom in to check focus. It would be small if you want to see the histogram too though…

  • Is this one of those “more is better” things, like megapixels? Is an 11-point system going to be 22% better than a 9-point system?

    A new 60D will probably keep the old AF unit. That leaves the 7D comfortably ahead in terms of spec and easily the best APS-C stills camera in the line-up, thereby justifying its price tag. The 40D/50D AF unit is not bad, not great, but not bad.

    All the masses (i.e., me) want is something a bit faster and better handling than a 550D with video tacked on. Canon will take the sensor from a 550D, the AF unit from the 50D, and maybe package it up in a body a little more compact than the 50D–more like a D90–to make the 7D look a bit more impressive. (They have to redesign the body, anyway, if they are adding an articulating screen.)

    HOWEVER, if they just add an articulating screen to a Rebel body, they can go xxxx themselves!

  • +1

    Had one on my old S3 IS. Very convenient. I can’t remember ever using the screen in its “normal” position when shooting. I liked that it could be folded back face-in to the body to protect it. There have been lots of times when I’ve missed it on my DSLR–I missed out on shots for the lack of it.

    If the screen is as good as the current Canon screens, the mechanism is neat when folded away, and it is reasonably robust, I’m all for it.

  • Yeah, Nikon’s non-existent cameras are much better than Canon’s non-existent cameras.

    Seriously, though, if you don’t want video, then there is nothing wrong with a 40D. Good camera–and always will be. Maybe you’ll never need to upgrade.

  • The “low-end” model with the fancy AF is the D300, and that is what the 7D competes against.

    The D90 has 11-point AF with one cross-type sensor, compared to the 50D with 9-point AF, all cross-type. The D90 has that colour-aware tracking thing from further up the food chain, so maybe Canon’s equivalent will trickle down from the 7D. However, they’ll probably stick with just 9 points.

  • They always advertise the ISO without including the “ISO expansion” settings. For example, the 50D was advertised as ISO 3200 on the box, but goes to ISO 12800 (aka “H2”). So, if a 60D is advertised as ISO 6400, you’ll probably get “H1” = ISO 12800 and “H2” = ISO 25600 for your money–both of which will be crap, of course.

    I’m still wondering what the purpose of ISO 12800 is on my 50D. Some sort of art filter, I guess. Anyone?

  • The xxD line has a long history of “obvious” upgrades. They simply upgraded a subset of the components for each new release. I think now, though, they are trying to split the line in two. We have already seen the 7D, which is somewhat more than a 50D. We’ll probably see a 60D which is somewhat less–if only in physical dimensions–than a 50D.

  • Canons 18mp apsc sensor will never beat the 12mp sensor of the Nikon. Nikon is smart enough to realize that YOU CANT SQUEEZE THAT MANY PIXELS IN A SENSOR ALREADY SMALL BY PHOTOGRAPHY STANDARDS

  • I just buy the 7D… sick of waiting the so long promised 60D.

    I guess the 60D will have LCD VIEWFINDER as the 7D, and 9AF POINTS crosstype.

    The screen that moves, I dont like it… i want TANKLIKE cameras, whatever that makes the body more fragile is not welcome.

  • I dont think so.. Canon 7D has less than 12months in the market… and is one of the most advance canon dSLR, and shares tecnology only with the TOP model Canon 1D MKIV.

    The 5D, 50D are more important to replace by now. Both with almost 2 years cicle, old autofocus and viewfinder.

  • I use to belive that 18mpx sensor was a stupid idea.. specialy on a APS-C size sensor.

    But it really does a great job. Noise is not as bad as I belive, even its better than the Rebel and the 50D in high sensibility.

    You can get tons of details, not as sharp as perfect, but when zoomed out, the details remains on the photography and look nice as texture work..

    The Fabrics of the clothes, the feathers of the birds, the pores of the skin.. looks really nice with the 18mpx.

  • Man I’m soooo tired or “purists” bashing articulating screens. If you don’t like it, then don’t use it. However there are tons of times when composing shots LOW to the ground or high above when it would be extremely helpful.

    As an event shooter I often am laying on hot CA sunbaked asphalt to get low angle shots, and wouldn’t need to burn my belly and singe my knees and elbows to look at screen or thru view finder.

    Or better yet in a crowd using a monopod with camera high over my head I can’t see the screen or viewfinder and an articulating screen would be an awesome composition tool to get truly unique angles that aren’t just luck shots.

  • The reference to 9 AF points is probably the same AF as the 40/50D, not the old 550D AF. As always, the xxD should have dual control wheels, proper pentaprism VF, faster 5-6FPS, less shutter and mirror lag, bigger buffer, etc., etc. over the Rebels

  • Waiting for 60d and peeking at sites like CR gets people crazy :)

    If new menu mode means that I will not be able to set white balance as easy as in xxD line, but would have to dig in the menus and super duper functions like “creative HDR movie mode high turbo iso $$$” will be accessible under just one button than I’m out to nikon or pentax.

    Who wants 17-70 sigma, nifty fifty and 430ex? That’s what will be left after my dying 350d.

  • From these specs, the 60D HAS the same sensor as the 7D, just as the 550D has the same sensor as well. ISO 6400 max is the same as the 7D; the 7D`s 12K setting is just a boost of the 6400 (it says “hi” instead of 12K). Either way, APS-C cameras don`t do very well above 1600, so it doesn`t really matter much in the end. I`ve used 3200 and 6400 on my 7D a few times, but it`s pretty noisy. Buy a 5DII if you want great high ISO.

  • Thank you Nikon……

    For 7D, for the wireless flash……and now for D90 sized canon body.

  • Maybe they will have made some tweaks of the 18mp sensor (microlens stuff, DIGIC V) and less aggressive antialias filter to combat the soft-focus issues (if that is what is causing the problems).

    If so, I might be convinced to budge. I’d get this as my action camera with a long lens (a new 150-500 – oh please oh please) and then use my 40D as my landscape camera where I can crank to f14 and not have issues with diffraction.

  • I like the articulating screen. For those that are REALLY old enough, Exakta (35mm film SLR) have inter-changable waist viewfinder (or use it as overhead viewfinder before WWII and continues to be used until the end of the product in the 1970’S. In fact Nikon F ‘S are doing the same thing. Be able to set the camera on the ground to take very low shots or flower shots, or hold the camera above your head to have a clear view is an excellent option. It is so good that Rollieflex (6X6) make this viewer a standard for the whole company

  • i just got wet dream about canon new camera,

    * aps-h sensor

    * 12mp

    * 6fps

    * 7d size body but without internal flash

    * 16bit raw

    * 50-6400 iso (no expansion)

    * 1.0x magnification n

    100%

    viewfinder

    * 14 stop DR specialy in highlight

    * weather sealing

    * 3.0” (3:2) LCD with 1,040k

    dots

    * 39 cross-type af

    weew…

  • Don’t worry. the articulating thing is handy in the sun. It’s just waiting for a new design and the offer is a retractable, movable screen is way short of expectations. The AF 9 pt already is housed on the 50D. The movie is the same as the lower priced T2i. Without the dual processor of the 7D which I didn’t expect I don’t see any compelling reason to pony up for a more solid build. I will be looking over at Nikon’s replacement for the D90 which I believe will try to maintain parity+ with the T2i version. I do prefer the Canon lenses. Their nomenclature alone is easier to understand. I have doubts about the future of Nikon. Anywho………happy shooting!

  • One of the things I hope this camera addresses at a lower price point than the 7D is a dedicated RAW button so I can switch back and forth quickly, and improved ease of overall use in navigating QUICKLY to areas of the camera I may not use as much because they are so deep into the menu.

    If all they do is only slightly enhance picture quality over the 50D and add increased functionality to the “60D” I will very happy. The improvements already POSSIBLY mentioned with what we know the 50D is now sounds worth the same price as a 50D now.

  • sadly you cannot remove them they will gather dust and always have some movement wich is anoying.

    i wouldnt mind them if they brought out every camera that they want it on also has a cheaper non articulated screen version (after all a articulated screen is more expencive).

  • Wow! Wow! Wow!

    That is really a dream camera for me too. I am willing to pay $2000 for it (body only)

  • The screen should be able to be flipped and closed with the back of the screen facing outside. Canon has done that in all their Articulated screen cameras. The movement of the joint will be well damped. Canon has been making articulated screen camera for 10 years. I am sure that they know what they are doing. my only concern is wit hthe articulating screen, the camera will be thicker and may be harder to hold.

  • Or put another way, you’d rather use your 40D, a camera with such low resolution that it can’t even detect the lens diffraction.

    Just playing devil’s advocate…

  • I have wanted the articulating screen very badly. Have had the S2, S3 and S5. Took the 5D Mark II to a car rally and tried the Hail Mary overhead thing but the sky glare on the non tilting back of the camera really blew a lot of those shots. A 60D with that screen would help with composition of macro shots of bugs and flowers, especially for those of us who are not as bendable as we used to be. I never had a problem with the screens on the consumer cameras.

  • 550d has same AF unit already as 50d doesn’t it. I think it would b 7d AF unit with fewer AF points. That seems much more sensible.

  • And that’s what you’re getting… the same stuff in a cheaper body with slightly reduced features.

    Instead of waiting for 1 year dreaming about 1/3 stop improvements in high ISOs, why not get some fast lenses instead?

  • I say forget about rumors, canon should change the whole dynamics of the market and make it like a PC where you can customize the camera with the features you want and with the ability to upgrade.

    If one of the only real differences is a new sensor for example, why not make it possible to just replace the sensor or be able to buy a rebel and pay a bit more for a PC port and so on, why have everyone hold on to their old equipment until the perfect upgrade comes along. Also for those whom are ok with cheap feature and only want a FF sensor, they can just pay for the sensor.

    I cool with the 60D specs as I don’t need all the bells and whistles of the 7D, though I do whant them for those rare times I need 8fps and flash commander. Most people out ther still use the center focus point and recompose so talk of more AF points isn’t such a big deal.

    I’m sure my comment will quickly get dismissed, so go ahead. I enjoy reading when people thrash other’s “opinion”.

  • Is that so?? I’m quite sure that is not the real reason. IMHO, I think that’s because Nikon don’t make their own sensor. To get the sensor cheap, they need to get bulk order, so they need to make sure they can finish used up as many sensor as possible in their inventory. The result is to use the same sensor on as many model as they can. I think the next series of Nikon new DSLR will more than 12MP and many model will be using the same sensor.

  • nikon isn’t smart
    is slave of Sony !

    when will sony develop a 15mp or 18mp (soon ) ,be sure nikon will use it quickly

  • @lubin
    I agree with you.

    At the end of the day your picture matters. I personally believe in quality improvement other than all fancy stuffs which help us rarely or not, yes we have to understand the price we are paying and the value we are getting.

  • @aditya

    don’t get me wrong – it is in no way personal – but

    if all you want is to slightly improve quality of your pictures – you might be better off investing some $ in books or a professional workshop. 99% I believe do not make better fotos with an upgraded cam – or how many people print wall-size pictures to see the “improvement” of going from 8 to 18 or 30 MP ? Normal size prints from a 7D pic one cannot see a difference to historic picture taken with 300D or so.

  • Who promised the 60D for so long? Not Canon I guess but the wishful thinkers over here.

  • the question is when???

    i just hope the body will still be similar to the previous xxD bodies. i hate small cameras feels like a toy

  • No, I’m pretty sure the 550D has the same AF as the models below… only the centre point is a cross type AF point.

  • Fair comment, but if you are in a studio situation and you want a low angle effect from the floor and use a similar technique. Is it still a snapshot?

    A mate of mine takes advertisement photos for major companies in Europe. They turn up at his studio, they set the lights according to a pre-organised spec, make up the model, direct the shot and he just has to set the camera in the position they want and press the shutter. He gets paid a LOT of money for what to me is essentialy a snapshot.

  • And I want a camera with better dinamic range and better color response. I know of good noise reduction software but I do not know of any software that can recoverl lost highlight/color information.

  • even tho id LOVE that idea its impossible not technicky but practicly.

    the camera’s would become more expencive as theres only gonna be manual labor to make sure the right coponents end up in your camera and you cant just say swap a sensor or focus system as you need to make sure the rest of the hardware is compatible.

    but yeah in a ideal world id buy a costumizable camera directly just like id buy xbox 360 and PS3 if i could plug in a new gpu memory and cpu every once in a while and controll games with a keyboard and mouse.

  • less MP doesnt equal less noise at all so far every camera with MORE mp had better iso preformance theres no proof that less MP would be better iso preformance if there was they would most likely have made it already.

    buy as much mpix as you can and just downscale and the noise magicly disapears.

    and on noisefree immages you get to crop so you dont have to use 5 grands worth of glass (wich 95% of the people cant afford) to ”zoom” ‘.

  • You just believe what you read..Strange, the 7D has the same amount of noise as the D300s. With 6 more megapixels. I guess it ain’t technology, it’s just luck..

  • Perhaps the calculation went like this:

    16:9 ratio and 8 times more light, so 9 / 16 * 8 = 4.5.

  • But not because it’s the camera’s fault, it’s the fault of stupid guys who don’t know how to look into the manual.

  • I like the size/shape/weight of the weather-sealed K-7. Also Pentax has some great lenses. BTW you can buy a K-7 for the price of a Rebel.

    Pentax’s big problem from my point of view is NO RENTAL AVAILABLE from the pro rental houses in the USA. They DO SUPPORT Canon, Nikon and Hasselblad, end of story.

  • A 7D isn’t better than a D300s. Nikon has better Autofocus, equal/better Image Quality, etc. But the 7D has better video (for thous who care).

  • Not so sure about the metal chassis. Compared to the present xxD line, it will be somewhat downgraded to not bite the 7D’s tail.

    The downgrades I expect are:
    – Plastic chassis
    – SD card instead of CF

    Compared to the 7D
    – No built-in flash control
    – Less weather sealing
    – Not as good AF (9 points makes perfect sense to me). Maybe they recycle again the 5DMk2 AF (berk!)
    – Similar video modes, maybe even slightly upgraded
    – Articulated screen makes perfect sense to me.

  • So the 60D AF will be brought to you by the same people who made the “great” decision for the 5D2 AF, a decision that has sold more Nikon D700 than Nikon could even imagine.

  • The sensors are the same size and one can go to F13 before diffraction begins to kick in and one can go to something like F7, won’t I see a difference in sharpness across the entire landscape?

    P.S.
    I am suspecting we are seeing ‘softness’ complaints for the 7D being more likely due to the antialias filter. But I don’t know that for fact. The 7D does have a different design for it….

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E7D/E7DA4.HTM

  • Actually, I calculated on 1.41 (the square root of 2). It’s my understanding that a stop is 1.41 increment.
    So I took the 1.41 root of 8, which yields 4.5 stops. If the stop is a full doubling of light, I would have calculated 4.5 half stops.
    The 16:9 ratio was taken into consideration only to reduce the actual sensor size (3:2 or 5,616 x 3,744 pixels) to an effective 16:9 sensor (that would be 5,616×3,159 pixels).

  • I do not understand this at all. Sounds like a 7d but with an articulating screen. They should make it a low end full frame camera to differentiate it from the 7d and to bring in people who can’t afford the high end 5d. Just my opinion. :-)

  • Canon has a big hole in their linup between 7D and 550D, so they are likely to come out with something to fill it. If you want a low end full frame then get a 5D Mk II, it’s not likely to be replaced anytime soon.

    550D size and an articulated screen would be great, I hate uneccessary bulky camera.s Just hope the AF is OK, then I can upgrade/downgrade from my 7D.

  • Why the articulated screen cannot be on a prosumer camera? It will give the user another tool to explore different shooting angle, get good overhead shot or shooting from the ground. In the film days, there are 3 camera have this capability: Exakta, Nikon F’s, and Rollieflex. All three are true professional level cameras. If it is good for professionals they must be good for prosumer.

  • @breakfastcomment
    well said, I think people started understanding the Megapixel myth.
    I also believe upgrading eye rather than upgrading cameras, upgrading to new technology can make your life little easier, but, is it worth the price we are paying?

  • Not going to happen anytime soon.
    At least not before the 5D2 gets a better AF system.

  • A stop is indeed a doubling of the amount of light.

    The 1.41 factor is used in the F-number because the diaphragm surface is (inversely) proportional with the square of the F-number ( sqr( 1.41 ) = 2 ); since the surface is doubled, the captured amount of light is also doubled (which, by the way, is the main reason why bigger sensors yield cleaner images – more light for the same exposure).

    In this case, you have directly determined the surface: 8 times larger. To calculate the number of stops, you have to extract logarithm base 2 (in this case: 3).

  • Articulating screen is an LCD screen that talks eloquently and well. Think of a cross between a lawyer and a poet. The screen would thus be able to hold an intelligent conversation with that talking Selphy printer Canon released last year.

  • No, it would be the best if it folds like the recent LCDS on Sonys. Canon should not copy Nikon’s bottom-hinged design since it limits the movement when in a tripod. It should be side-hinged or bi-folding like the Sonys.

  • My Olympus e3 had an articulating screen in a body a hell of a lot more solid and sealed than my 50d.. So I don’t see why it is such a problem weakness..

    I wouldn’t mind this camera as long as it doesn’t lose any features of the 50d and adds the articulating screen, video and the new sensor.

  • yes side hinged like the Olympus e3 or e30.. I thought it was a worthwhile feature on my e3 (for photography not video).. I didn’t use it very often but was nice to have..

  • Olympus e3 had a ‘screen that moves’ and was far more ‘tanklike’ than my 50d…

  • I agree with some of the posters above that the only really exciting thing about that spec list is the “new menu” system, which is a big hint towards a new Digic processor. So even if the 60D has the same sensor as the 7D and 550D, we might see improvements with respect to in-camera JPEG processing (noise, reduction, perhaps also auto-correction of CAs and distortions for Canon lenses), and perhaps even more regarding video quality, but for still-only RAW shooters I doubt that much will change. Which is good news for me having a 7D. ;-)

  • AF in the 50d is superior to my wifes d90 without a doubt, so I don’t see why canon needs to update AF in that product line.. As Bob correctly pointed out the 7d competes with the d300 not the xxD line..

  • you misunderstood my point,a phot is what you make when almost all those elements are under your control. anything else is a simple snapshot,no matterhow hard you tried to take it.
    in a studio you have control over almost everything and you or your assistant arrange things. that´s how you make a photo.it´s got nothing to do with angle or paycheque.
    a tourist, a sports photog, a press photog,or any simpleton guy with a cam, who sits or stands somewhere and looks through the viewfinder and snaps at any certain moment is just making a snapshot.

    it´s could be a bad shot or a great shot as we all know there are many good examples of such shots.

  • An SD slot would allow use of Eye-Fi cards, which might be a cheaper alternative to using the Canon wireless file transmitter.

  • Exactly!! Sensor technology can never be improved. We MUST keep the same old crappy 12 MP sensors forever!!!

    Just like cell phones 10 years ago they weighed 5 lbs and could only be used in a car. They will never be improved either.

    mmm, oh yeah, phones are smaller with improved functionality now. So I guess is only you Nikon Chumps that have to still with the same old crappy 12 MP sensors. So sad for you.

  • Put half of the images in a burst on one card and half on the other?

    No thanks.

  • I was thinking the same thing. Not likely to become my main shooter any time soon.

  • I’m lookng at the H setting for ISO 12,800 right this mOment. Your specs list is a wishlist

  • These are the same people that brought you the new 7D AF system, which, you can bet your a$$, will be appearing in a 5D3 near you.

    To be fair to Canon, with all the bad press they got over the 1D3 AF, they probably weren’t confident that the AF unit that finally appeared in the 7D was ready for the 5D2. The world would not have thanked them had it been a rush job that they later regretted.

  • If you want to think of it more simply, opening up by one stop increases the diameter of the aperture by a factor of 1.414, but it increases the *area* by a factor of 2. It is the area that relates directly to the light-gathering ability, so 8 times more light comes from 8 times more aperture area. As 8 is 2^3, we have increased the area by 3 factors of 2. One factor of 2 is a “stop”, so 3 factors of 2 is 3 stops.

    The whole square root of 2 thing is only needed to calculate the numeric values of the stops, as they are expressed as the ratio of the focal length of the lens to the diameter of its aperture. That is, to the lengths of things, rather than to the area of things.

  • It is not necessarily a claim that noise could not be lower with fewer pixels, rather that the sensor technology has improved so that as megapixels increase, the noise is still improving.

    I find the noise performance of the 15MP 50D to be superior to the 10MP 40D, because the 50D noise is finer grained and less intrusive. Granted, everyone knows that a 12MP sensor would beat the pants off both of them, because 12MP has magical properties to do with the space-time continuum, or tarot cards, or something.

  • the specs sound nice but seriously, could you at least tell your source? i mean, we read hundreads of cr1 news about the 60D specs now, what makes one more real than the other? It looks to me like there are just some users sending you (crguy) all their wishes so you post them..
    is there any slightest little piece of truth behind all those 60D specs news?
    just curious..

  • No point looking too closely at CR1 stuff. Rather pay more attention to CR2 and above. :)

  • I use for a lot of time a Nikon Coolpix 8700 with the crazy LCD screen.. That camera is made with Alloys, heavy and the screen was rought.

    But the inner cables was the problem. Sunddlely the screen stop working on specific positions. and that was anoying for me. I stop using it before the camera get broken or something.

    Coolpix 8700 is a advance compact camera. But the built quality was amazing. Since then I dont trust moving screens.

  • 6.2fps
    Digic 5
    Improved Iso
    High fps video but only at 720p (no 1080p)
    Articulated screen
    Weatherproofing + Magnesium body
    $1200, and maybe like $1350 with a new 17-85 ish USM
    I would murder for that

  • Here’s what ISO 12800 is for:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/fyngyrz/sets/72157610763682057/

    …you have to have some technical chops to take advantage of ISO 12800, but it definitely has its uses. Stacking is one important technique, advanced algorithmic noise reduction is another. Between the two, you can get shots that would be impossible otherwise.

    ISO 25, 51 and 102 would all have similar uses. Not every photo needs to be smooth like buttah, that’s one important thing to remember: Some photos simply serve to document what is happening, and the thing to keep in mind is that on average, half the time we live is spent in darkness. High ISO gives us sight where we would have had little or none.

  • How much of my camera’s capability am I leaving on the table by taking RAW when the JPG processing of something like DIGIC V can make a significant difference in the resulting image? I know why I want RAW, but can RAW processors, like Lightroom or Bibble give me every bit of what I get with the in camera capability?

    Are we pushing the sensor tech so much that even “RAW” has to be tweaked a bit internally in order for it to be acceptable to the vendor? (I admit, I don’t know what cameras due to RAW images before they are saved.)

    http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/articles/pages/1079/Digital-Camera-Raw.html

  • So what I am getting at is can I expect Digic V to make a 7D/T2i sensor give better results if I only use RAW?

  • Average human eyes can only resolve 6 lp/mm at 25cm. assuming someone is printing a 15 X24 in picture (Fine art exhibition type) and hang it on the wall. All we need is 2250 lp on the 15 in dimension to give a “clear view”. That 2250 lp is equal to a 7.5 Mp APS-C sensor. This shows how much excess pixels we have in the new APS-C cameras from canon (18 MP). For someone that prints 8X10. all he need is 2.8 MP. There is always the argument about more pixel is better for cropping. True, but how much spare pixels do we need. If the framing (composition)of the picture is done right, no cropping will be needed. Remember the good old slide film days? We all compose the picture carefully. Cropping is not an option. I would rather have a lower pixel count than to over stretch the resolution of the lens and with higher noise at higher ISO.

  • RE: “Remember the good old slide film days? We all compose the picture carefully. Cropping is not an option.”

    Maybe you didn’t crop. I certainly did. That was one of the benefits of printing your own enlargements. Even after careful composition, some cropping can be helpful. Ever get a 5×7″ or 8×10″ print from your slide film, back in those good old days? Guess what – it was cropped! *gasp*

    But, I do agree that 18 megapixels in an APS-C-sized sensor is overkill.

  • I agree for the most part, but perfect composition isn’t always possible when photographing subjects which aren’t posing. This is especially true when using primes.

  • Huh? You mean Canon is coming out with a new 17-85 IS USM? I thought the 15-85 was its replacement.

  • iso 6400 is more than enough for me, its make me embarce the use of slow speed n high aperture lens

  • Would back you up on that one. I can only hold a camera with one hand [my right] and have found Canon Rebel ergonomics better for my needs than either Nikon DSLR or Canon xxD. But I would go for a slightly larger body and grip with better build quality and viewfinder any day. The hinged LCD would be a very desirable extra, especially if it were convenient for waist level viewing.

  • Jason, I would consider myself a “purist” but I don’t knock articulated screens. Whilst I can see the advantages you detail, I would say that kneeling/laying on damp peatland grass is even better example of the benefits of these screens!

    Rocky, I too like articulated screens. I’m also old enough to remember some of your examples but I rather think the reasons the 6×6 Rolleiflex had a WLF were cost, convenience, and the weight of a large glass prism – and especially the square format! [try a vertical shot with a Nikon F with WLF!]. Of course the articulated LCD gets round these issues making them very useful.

    Hutjeflut, I do think your suggestion of different versions has merit, but I fear the result would be that both versions were more expensive.

  • Slide are shown with slide projector. it you want picture, you shoot color negative. As for 8 X10 Or 5 X7, your crop the top and bottom out.

  • I agree that additional pixel for “light cropping” is a necessity. Let us assume it will be nice to have 20% in linear dimension for cropping. This will need only 10.8 MP. so I think the 12MP for APS-C will be a good number. At that pixel level , we still need lens that can resolve 95 lp/mm. That is already a demand for very good prime lens and “L” lens. I really feel that the 18Mp sensor now is a marketing decision not based on existing data of the performance of the lens and reality.
    The 18MP sensor needs alens that can resolve 106 lP/mm. I am wondering how many lens can do that . Even the real (read it as expensive) Leica lenses will not make that claim.

  • I agree that “light cropping” should always be an option. that is why I was using 20% crop as a case and point. However, if someone is always using ‘heavy cropping ” and end up using less than half of the original pixels, then he shall re examine his framing (composition ) technique.

  • It is better for the sensor to outresolve the lens than the other way around, because at least you know you are maximizing the performance of the lens. Even the 18-55 kit lens shows more resolution on the 15MP 50D than on the 8MP 350D according to Photozone’s tests.

  • I would like to read the report. Can you give me the actual web site. I try to find it in Photozone.com, I cannot find it. Thanks for the help in advance.

  • I have looked through the test report from DPReview. It turned out that the 18-55mm IS lens have more than enough resolution for the 350D (8MP). Its resolution is actually closed to be 13.5 Mp at the middle of the sensor. That is why it looks better on the 15MP 50D. Even that we are not fully utilize the 15Mp of the 50D.
    On the other hand , if a 50mm f1.8 II is stopped down to F5.6. it will have more than 15MP resolution (at least at the middle of the sensor). That is fully utilize the 15MP sensor of the 50D. That is the reason why this cheap plastic lens is being revere by a lot of people.
    Now the question is: What lens is good enough to give us the 18MP resolution of the 7D.
    I just cannot agree that we should let the sensor out resolve the lens. In order to get the most out of the system, the performance of the lens should match the sensor. If I have a choice, I would go the opposite way. Let the lens out resolve the sensor. By doing that we know we have got the most out of the sensor. If there is a higher resolution sensor coming up later, we do not need to obsolete the lens(es) along with the camera. It is economically and technically sound in the long run.

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