Warning!
I received these specs today, they’re nothing like anything I’ve received before. So I’m going to post them for fun.
This is a rumors site!
EOS 3D Specifications
– Price: 3499
-27mp Foveon (?)
Foveon is property of Sigma, so that kills the spec list. Unless Canon has their own version.
– 5FPS
– 16bit (16 bit what?)
– BG-E9 Grip, uses 7D & 5D2 battery
– 7D Weathersealing
This one deserves a massive grain of salt like I said earlier.
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you must be realy desperate to post every nonsense.
call this site a joke site and it fits….
2ND
yea CR1s are bad as they are, no need to go looser with CR0.
You don’t have to visit this site if it bothers you that much. Life’s too short to be a whiner. Go outside and take some pictures.
I thought april fools was over lol
Someone has been reading Northlight Images again.
Haha, funniest thing i’ve read all day.
I could imagine the forums if the 3D only had 9mp files :)
I wouldn’t be crushed if a Fovean sensor made it into Canons somehow. Their is a lot of potential for dynamic range and “true” color with them. If this rumor where true, not saying that I think it is, I assume Canon wouldn’t commit to such a technology if they felt it at least somewhat reasonable.
This would be surprising, but would also be a very good business move on Canons part.
And yes, they do have their own version of a “Foveon” which does come in at the 27 / 28 MP mark – whether this report is based on prior knowledge of such is a good question, but if not also gives us a potential clue about the 1Ds4’s ADC.
come on guys a Foveon is property of Sigma ??
the next camaras will be the 1ds mark IV (for sure)
a 7d or a xxD , and later a xxxD
What, no pony? It doesn’t come with a pony?
For a 3D rumor this makes more sense than most!
– 16bit (16 bit what?) Color of course, Canon is presently at 14 bit and Medium Format is already at 16 bit. Hopefully Canon moves to 16 bit in the near future.
lol, thad’d be a landscape killer… 16bit raw ftw
Well if nothing else this story clarifies the CR# system, which is ambiguous at best from just reading the stories and doesn’t appear to be documented on the site.
Oh, hey! There’s a FAQ now. Whoops.
I’m not sure that info deserves any salt. :)
So basically a 7D with FF sensor (with hopefully better WB than current sensors!) and 16-bit A/D? I wouldn’t complain at all! Bring it on, hope it’s true!
The Foveon sensor actually goes in-line with the previous 3D comment that it could take video and stills at the same time, which is what is mentioned on the Foveon website. Sounds pretty awesome to me, I’d be all for the increased dynamic range and configurable pixel density based on what type of photos/video you are taking. Again, hope it’s true!
A foveon like sensor woul be awesome, 14 stops of dynamic range like the fuji s3 and s5. 27mpx suck though
Indeed. 16 bit would imply 16 bit color…
Foveon? I have trouble believing but canon has researched their own various sensor technologies. As flaky as this rumor sounds it isn’t worth giving it much thought but if it were legit, I’d think it’d be some “foveon-ish” technology rather than a straight up Foveon sensor.
Hi admin, looks like now you started “creating” rumors for traffic? I do understand that CR is your main business, but posting “fun rumors” for traffic…hmm….not so professional
CR-1 (yes, that’s a negative sign).
Lighten up nerd
How in the heck is it the fabled 3D if it is stuck at 5fps and no mention of better AF?
What does this bring over a 5D2? 1fps extra and a stolen sensor that would probably give worse results than the 5D2?
CR minus 10 if you ask me. It’s not even a fanboy list!
I’ve been saying for years that Canon should go 16-bit… why the surprise??
mark the nerd!!!
-27mp Foveon – that is a complete no go.
5 FPS also a complete no go.
Here’s what the 3D should be:
18mp FF (5D3 will have 24mp)
8 FPS
Pro AF (the 5D3 will get 7D AF)
Flash Commander
7D video
Small body, optional wireless grip
The 3D will trade MP for high ISO (for wedding photographers) and more FPS between 5D3 and 1D, and keep Pro AF
$3500
If you want the high MP then 1Ds4 at 32 mp and 5 FPS.
lol…16BPP? Or a 16 bit readout? I think readout may be more likely since it would help speed operation. The anchor of system speed is still DIGIC though.
Who said every spec gets better as the model number decreases?
1D is an APS-H, currently, and 5D is full-frame.
If Canon is going to fit more video-centric models and stills models in the same model continuum, it could get unpredictable fast, though hopefully the idea of “lower number = better overall” stays true.
So KBF. are you saying we should go along with a report even when it’s complete idiocy? I think the title for this post is appropriate in calling it crazy.
Someone should have told me earlier about this, I just bought 7D half year ago.
This is crazy. Shouldn’t we have a negative CR rating for something like this? :)
Why didn’t they go all the way and say the 3D will have 3D like the LCD TVs? Once you’re into crazy territory, what’s to hold you back?
Chris
Psstt…I’ve just emailed you 4D specs [CR0].
Let me say this:
8MP FF down-sampled from the 32mp sensor, 16bit codec, 7D like AF, 60Fps 720, 1-2 stop better than D3S, but not enough to de-throne 1D4.
3D should follow the Nikon D3s scheme.
Take a 1Ds MkIV, keep the AF points, but make it the 21 megapixel sensor and just keep squeezing the ISO out of it even more than the 5D MkII.
If they make a high ISO killler with the pro AF spots, i’m sold. If the 1Ds MkIV comes out at $7,999 then maybe the 3D at $5,999 for those of us that don’t need more megapixels, but want good AF and higher ISO.
I don’t want to sound like Nikon fanboi, actually I have Canon camera along with 4 lenses including L, but what have you said is quite oxymoron.
You can’t have camera 1-2 better than D3s and not de-throne 1D IV. As far as I like Canon, I have to admit, that D3s is simply 1-2 stop better than 1D IV, in terms of high ISO performance.
That is what is good about it!. ALMOST believable specs. No 12 fps, no 100 point (all cross type) autofocus, no 10-400 f2.8 kit lens, no fanboy BS.
Sooner or later ALL sensors will be multi-layer like the Foveon. Canon will go to 16 bit color in the near future. Canon will NEVER make a 3D!
hope this camera happens, for Canon’s sake. Plus I’d buy one too.
1D is APS-H strictly for selling more cameras to the consumer market; they need something different than making the “perfect sports/ wedding camera.” Too bad it will bite them in the ass with Nikon’s next series of releases. If Canon made it FF, it would have been a shining redemption for the lackluster high-end (still camera aspect) releases in recent years.
so you think…
Plus I just got the inside scoop on all the MK V’s specs being released in 2013. Plus the MK X specs for 2023. Teleportation to location capabilities are going to be sooo awesome, maaaaaaaaan.
A kind’s Foveon sensor is possible since Canon explore this way since many years and I think have seen patent from them about this technologie in the past.
Yes, please stick to rumors that are at least slightly plausible.
Can Canon add FOVEN like mood to 7D? Canon yes you can
You can download photos (converted from RAW without any noise reduction or sharpening) from http://www.juzaphoto.com/eng/articles/canon_1d_mark4_review_comparisons.htm
(Unlike the photos from imaging-resource.com, these are taken in the same light.)
If you normalize them for sensor size, resolution and black level (Nikon applies some in order to get rid of the black noise), you’ll get virtually identical noise level (the difference is utterly invisible for someone who sees the whole image on normal sized display or paper, at ISO 12800).
(Note that he is comparing the photos without normalization, which has little practical meaning because photographs are usually taken with the same subject magnification, regardless of the resolution / sensor size, meaning that the photos must be compared at the same resolution, not at native resolution.)
Something is forgotten here: the resolution of Foven sensor is quoted is actual pixels, whereas that of Bayer sensors is given in photosites.
27 MPs for a Foven? Christ! Even at 5 MPs they are know for the higher noise level (because the upper layer photosites block some light from reaching the lower layer photosites).
yeah then do it… im not wasting as much time here as you. ;)
Jup, 99% of stuff posted on this site seems to be sent by bored kids. This is the CRx guide:
CR3 : Well thought idea that makes sense, but it is probably not going to happen.
CR2: Made up and sent by kids who have good knowledge of photography world, so they are able to make up a good rumor.
CR1: Made up and sent by bored kids who do know something about photography.
CR0: Made up and sent by 10-year old kids who don’t have a clue about a clue.
Thanks for the link. So that should ashut up the Noink fanbois with their crazy claims about D3/D3s high ISO. Actually, even the 1D3 has better ISO 100-1600 than the D3, at higher ISOs the diff. was 2/3 of a stop at best.
Just divide by 3 for the true RGB sensel layout. So 9MP, supposedly. Not saying this rumor is credible.
Haven’t checked because test images are hard to find.
can I join in?
this is some specs… HD video cam with a body of a DSLR? :)
http://www.teknisyan.net/2010/06/canon-eos-500d-vs-canon-eos-550d-vs.html
Sounds like you are saying if you “normalize” a squirrel to the size of a human, they have the same brain to body ratio, ergo the squirrel is just as intellegent as a human. Monty Python did a skit like that about a pinquin.
99% of photogs won’t go through a bunch of extra normalizing processes, and will just want to take photos with as good of results ‘out of the camera’ as possible.
The article you link to concludes: “the D3s is about 1 stop better than 1D4, in terms of noise. Other than that, the D3s has the fullframe sensor, that is a nice plus for landscape and reportage..” In all paractical views, he is correct, which isn’t surprising ’cause he’s a landscape photog.
take care,
Chris
IF the Foveon is so great, why there is no major camera maker are using it? All of them are buying sensor from Sony( except Fuji ). Even Canon is buying the lower end sensor from Sony. Nikon could have switched to Foveon and left Canon in the dust. This has not yet happened yet.
Man, you really missed the point. I guess you don’t print your pics and just view them 100% on your monitor, in that case you only need a 2MP camera at best so you don’t have to scroll :P.
There is more than just high ISO to de-throne 1D4. From what I read, 7d’s AF is not as good as 1D4, also, FF will make AF coverage area smaller, 8MP will hurt it crop room, and other build/human interface features. If you make a FF sensor, the cost of 8mp and 32mp are about the same, so canon don’t need to develop another senor.
So overall, the above post is my not-so-serious reply to ppl really want high ISO and FF pro-camera. Enjoy.
Why do you think Canon should go to 16 bit, given that 14 bit currently exceeds the abilities of their sensors?
All it would achieve is larger files and longer processing times.
A printer or display shows photos with the same resolution, no matter what resolution your photos have.
Whether you have photos of 1 MP or 1GP, they will ALL have (for example) 300 PPI * [paper with] * [paper height]; photos are either upscaled or downscaled to the printer resolution.
The reason why the D3s photos (read carefully ENTIRE photos, not pixels) are cleaner than those of the 1D4 is because the sensor is larger: 1.3 * 1.3 times, NOT because the photosites are larger.
The larger sensor captures more light for the same exposure. This is why the sensor size must be normalized if one wants to understand whether noise level is given by pixel size or sensor size.
See here:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Our-publications/DxOMark-reviews/DxOMark-review-for-advanced-compacts
Canon’s S90 sensor out performs that of the Nikon D3x when you take into account the sensor size. :-P
The last comment I’ve seen about this is that Canon were trying to work out how to handle the huge (200MB+) RAW files that were coming out of the full colour sensor.
I will buy this. 1D size body will be ok for me and integrated Wifi and bluetooth (remote control + GPS).
The camera will not have Foveon sensor, but instead 25MP Bayer sensor. The eye focusing mechanism needs some adjustments, but with our help Canon will make it right. The FPS info is correct. The grain of salt mentioned in the article indeed comes within the package, but only if you buy it with 300-500 f4.0 IS Tilt-Shift Macro SB kit lens. We have tested it and it is a perfect walkaround lens, but corners are a bit soft wide open, especially at wide end.
No, making a squirrel the size of a human would not make it as smart as a human because it would require interpolation of brain cells making it just as dumb as it was before, but making a human the size of a squirrel would make the human as dumb as a squirrel due to downsampling of the brain cells. Thus that is a bad example.
This is because in 2008, Foveon technology could not exceed 14mp, (4.7mp x3) and couldn’t develop a sensor larger than what it presently is. It loses to Fullframe sensor in terms of signal to noise ratio. and Nikon is the King of High ISO low noise. there isn’t a point to switch. unless they want to buy over sigma + foveon and pump in Billions to breakthrough X3 into FF and HD vid.