One of the disappointments for me with the RF-S system is the normal kit zoom range from 18-45 instead of 15-45mm.

In this patent application, Canon sets out to create a 15-45mm that hopefully isn't plagued with the same quality assurance issues as its older EF-M brother. I swear I went through 5 copies until I finally got one that was on point and quite good. Once I did, I loved the focal range having been used of the 18-55mm kit zooms in the past, the 15-18mm was well appreciated by myself.

In this patent application, Cann wants a small lens with spherical aberrations and others more corrected than prior patents allowed for.

However, in the zoom lens disclosed in Patent Document 1, the entire lens system is large and it is not possible to achieve sufficiently high image quality. Furthermore, in the zoom lens disclosed in Patent Document 2, various aberrations such as spherical aberration and coma aberration are not sufficiently corrected. An object of the present invention is to provide a zoom lens with good optical performance over the entire zoom range.

The EF-M 15-45mm is quite similar in terms of optical design. This design appears to be missing one element between L11 and L12, otherwise it's a very similar design.

The back focus on the embodiments is quite tight, which makes me wonder if this was originally in the pipeline as a EF-M 15-45mm II, instead of an RF-S lens. However, even though the ingress into the mount is significant, there may still be enough room for the lens inside of the mount body to sit the rear element back that far. As such, I'm not putting this as an RF-S lens. It probably was Canon's intention though as I doubt any designer was working on new EF-M designs in 2022.

The age of the RF-S 18-45 for the RF-S probably has little bearing on a newer 15-45 as Canon in the past had replaced an earlier kit lens on mirrorless fairly quickly (3 years).

Canon APS-C 15-45mm F3.5-6.3

                 Wide-angle  Intermediate  Telephoto
focal length        15.36       29.82        43.10  
F number             3.60        5.10         6.44  
Half angle of view  35.76       23.75        17.59  
Lens total length   76.36       68.85        73.51  
BF                  10.45       10.45        10.45  

Canon APS-C 15-45mm F3.5-6.3

                 Wide-angle  Intermediate  Telephoto
focal length        15.37        29.58       43.10  
F number             3.60         5.10        6.44  
Half angle of view  35.41        24.79       17.59  
Lens total length   79.34        71.19       76.32  
BF                  10.18        10.18       10.18  

Canon APS-C 16-45mm F3.5-6.3

                 Wide-angle  Intermediate  Telephoto
F number             3.60         5.10        6.44  
focal length        16.23        34.90       43.10
F number             3.61         5.10        6.44
Half angle of view  32.27        20.40       17.59
Lens total length   88.10        84.74       88.68  
BF                  10.87        10.87       10.87 

Source: Japan Patent Office: 2023-182958

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  1. 76.36 is almost exactly 3 inches.
    79.34 is a little longer but it retracts to 71.19 anyway.
    I am assuming that it will be in the most compact position when stored.
    The RF-S 18-45 is much smaller than a kit lens needs to be.
    They could have just gone with 15-45 but now that we have the RF-S 10-18, 18-45 makes sense.
    Nikon has the DX 16-50 on a 1.5x crop.
    That alone is good enough reason for Canon to make an RF-S 15-45.
  2. 15-45 is better than 18-45, but for me the question is, are there going to be some good RF-s lenses? Something like EF-s 60mm macro or EF-s 15-85 (maybe lighter)? Now it's just a typical Canon galore of 18-whatever f/too-high. It's a pity since EOS R7 is a nice body.
  3. … Now it's just a typical Canon galore of 18-whatever f/too-high. It's a pity since EOS R7 is a nice body.
    I don‘t think, that the 18-45 is the typical companion lens for a semi-pro body like an R7.
    Except for just one use case:
    Being small and light for travel or else.
    In that case it serves that purpose well, doesn‘t it?
  4. 76.36 is almost exactly 3 inches.
    79.34 is a little longer but it retracts to 71.19 anyway.
    I am assuming that it will be in the most compact position when stored.
    The RF-S 18-45 is much smaller than a kit lens needs to be.
    They could have just gone with 15-45 but now that we have the RF-S 10-18, 18-45 makes sense.
    Nikon has the DX 16-50 on a 1.5x crop.
    That alone is good enough reason for Canon to make an RF-S 15-45.
    keep in mind that would also include the 20mm of the sensor to flange, so the lens itself is 55mm in length.

    I found the 15-45 to be a nice walkaround on the M's once I found a good copy. I really dont' want to go back to 18mm
  5. keep in mind that would also include the 20mm of the sensor to flange, so the lens itself is 55mm in length.

    I found the 15-45 to be a nice walkaround on the M's once I found a good copy. I really dont' want to go back to 18mm
    The 15-45 is one of those lenses where DPP4+DLO makes a big difference. I wonder if DxO with the ‘new’ demosaic algo used for deepprimeXD would do similar good job nowadays.

    I still prefer the 11-22 over the 15-45, though, the extra width is great for getting more environment into indoor shots, like in cramped cafes.
  6. Something like EF-s 60mm macro
    Almost every RF-S lens so far has macro capabilities.
    I am not sure that I see the need for a dedicated macro lens.
    Although I do expect a few RF-S portrait prime lenses.
    Even though those are not as necessary with the bargain EF f/1.8 prime lenses.
  7. Almost every RF-S lens so far has macro capabilities.
    I am not sure that I see the need for a dedicated macro lens.
    Although I do expect a few RF-S portrait prime lenses.
    Even though those are not as necessary with the bargain EF f/1.8 prime lenses.
    I agree it's not necessary, but there seem to be enough people with complaints about the 1.8 primes that Canon could probably sell rf-s primes -assuming they can address those complaints without price increase.
  8. Almost every RF-S lens so far has macro capabilities.
    I am not sure that I see the need for a dedicated macro lens.
    Although I do expect a few RF-S portrait prime lenses.
    Even though those are not as necessary with the bargain EF f/1.8 prime lenses.
    More like “macro”, I personally set the bar at 1:1 or better, lens manufacturers have much lower standards, like 1:3 for slapping on a ‘macro’ label.
  9. More like “macro”, I personally set the bar at 1:1 or better, lens manufacturers have much lower standards, like 1:3 for slapping on a ‘macro’ label.
    Has Canon ever made a 1:1 APS-C lens?
  10. Has Canon ever made a 1:1 APS-C lens?
    The EF-s 60mm can do 1:1 and the EF-M 28mm can do 1.2:1. The EF-S 35mm that looks like a copy of the EF-M 28mm also does 1:1.

    So at least 3 APS-C specific 1:1 or better lenses. The 28 and 35 even have a built-in ring light, which I’d like to see in a future RF macro like the MP-R.

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