Dragonflies and Damselflies

I finally managed to go outside again to get some fresh air.
The winter damselflies are already out again and busy reproducing.
R6m2+100-500+2xExt.@1000mm (yeah, got that one new), almost no cropping.
f/16, 1/1000, ISO1600, focus on her eyes, parallel alignment with room for improvement ;)
But I now can declare the 2026 Franconian d&d season open :cool:

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About time you got the 2x! It works surprisingly well with the 100-500.
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Canon Says it’s up to Sigma to Make Full-Frame RF Lenses

Talent is on a multi-point scale — I'd be surprised if most people here can't knock something epic out of the park in the right context. But I hear you, and the time I invest vs. some people I know shows in the final work, and so I regularly stand humbled.
It's quite nuanced in fashion photography... a lot depends on the quality of the team (models, stylists etc.): it's very much a team effort, while other types of photography tend to be much more individual - I've found that access to better models (say) is more important than many other factors.

Also other types of toys (lights and modifiers) can be more important than cameras and lenses.

I am not saying that the photographer's skills / artistic vision do not matter, they do. A lot. But networking and other "soft" skills count almost as much.

Haha! That would be awesome.
Let me know if you happen to pass by Jersey City / NYC 🥳
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Canon Says it’s up to Sigma to Make Full-Frame RF Lenses

Better than nothing! But we've been told many times that for manufacturers there is more money in the lenses than in the cameras
The Champaign of printer ink in the modern era!

I know a few pros in the fashion photography turf (my passion) and I'm a nobody and some of them have spreads on Vogue / Harper Bazaar / Numero, etc.... but my toys beat theirs all the time.
Very cool!

Clearly they are more talented than me 😅 But to the point, they treat camera / lenses / lights as tools for their work. For me they are tools for my hobby. Those tools need to make money for them, while they need to make joy for me. Different phylosophies.
Talent is on a multi-point scale — I'd be surprised if most people here can't knock something epic out of the park in the right context. But I hear you, and the time I invest vs. some people I know shows in the final work, and so I regularly stand humbled.

OTOH, I'm not above buying lunch to pick their brain!

I'm actually not on the market for a long exotic tele... love them but I've only rented them for safari so far.
But I'd like a 35 1.2 thank you very much 🥹
Sigma and Nikon make one.
Sigma's new 135mm and 200mm are interesting to me as well.
I love my 24 / 50 / 100 combo for people in all manners of situations, and the Godox AD400 is excellent for outdoors or rustic locations. I'd love to add a great 35 to the collection, but for the cash Canon charges for modern 35s I think I need to shore up my > 400 range. My 300 + 1.4x extender + DLO is absolutely solid for lots of stuff in motion and makes a great base to start edits from, but the 2x extender is just OK and the AF is slow. Good for deer and birdhouses, but not for things moving at a pace when combined with EVF blackout.

Decisions, decisions...

I'm more of a wine / Aperol Spritz type of guy but I'd drink with you 🤤
Haha! That would be awesome.
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Canon Says it’s up to Sigma to Make Full-Frame RF Lenses

But do I want a nice, more-or-less sealed 300-600 with constant aperture? Oh yeah. So, I admit, Canon would technically lose my dollars to Sigma. OTOH, they're not getting my dollars for that lens anyhow, but at least they sold the body to me. 🤷🏼‍♂️
Better than nothing! But we've been told many times that for manufacturers there is more money in the lenses than in the cameras
Interesting. I don't know enough pros personally to make a call, but I do understand business and business decisions.
I know a few pros in the fashion photography turf (my passion) and I'm a nobody and some of them have spreads on Vogue / Harper Bazaar / Numero, etc.... but my toys beat theirs all the time.
Clearly they are more talented than me 😅 But to the point, they treat camera / lenses / lights as tools for their work. For me they are tools for my hobby. Those tools need to make money for them, while they need to make joy for me. Different phylosophies.

I'm happy to sacrifice some aperture, critical sharpness, edge-to-edge matching sharpness, weight, or wall-to-wall sealing for 1/2 to 2/3rds the price. I don't know if I'd ultimately go with a Sigma 300-600 f/4 vs Canon's, but for the price I'd sure as heck borrow one to find out.

I'd love to see Canon or third parties recreate the spirit of the EF 300mm f/4 IS and EF 400mm f/5.6 in the modern era. Something like a silver-ring set of 300mm, 400mm, 500mm f/5.6 primes to go with the 200-800 in terms of sealing, sharpness, quality, and cost — as an example, pencil in other wishes as appropriate. If Canon does this and excludes Sigma, fine. If Canon cannot get around to it, then I'm happy for Sigma (or Fred, or Sally, or...) do something similar.

I know, I know... all beaten to death. Just daydreaming while waiting for a process to finish...
I'm actually not on the market for a long exotic tele... love them but I've only rented them for safari so far.
But I'd like a 35 1.2 thank you very much 🥹
Sigma and Nikon make one.
Sigma's new 135mm and 200mm are interesting to me as well.
My whisky is tipped in your direction
I'm more of a wine / Aperol Spritz type of guy but I'd drink with you 🤤
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A New Constant f/4 Aperture RF-S Zoom Coming

I agree in the sense of practice in the field: it's not too useful unless you're shooting each format side by side and need to synchronize effect.
Exactly, and who does that, right? But again, as I think you understand, that’s not the point of the concept. The utility is here, where we’re pressing keyboard keys and not shutter buttons, on CR and other settings where photography is discussed.

The whole point is to enable appropriate comparisons of different sized sensors. Many posts on this forum (and others) indicate a wide range of misapprehensions about some technical aspects of photography, and some of those are relevant to gear use and purchasing decisions.

Just to pick one common example, many times someone will comment that a crop sensor is better for macro photography because it gives a deeper DoF. Of course, the deeper DoF is occurring only because the camera is further from the subject, which is fine if that's what you want. But if you want maximum optical magnification (e.g. 1:1), then the camera will be at the same distance from the subject regardless of the sensor size, and the FF camera will deliver a wider FoV at that 1:1 magnification, and the crop sensor will actually have a shallower DoF. Plus, if you're light limited (often the case if you're stopping down to gain DoF), then the crop image will have more noise at the high(ish) ISO you may be using. What all of that means is that 'I use a crop sensor for macro to get deeper DoF' is at best an oversimplification (and note that I haven't even touched on pixel density, diffraction, and other relevant concepts).

So what the concept of equivalence does is enable one to have an informed discussion and make informed decisions about photography gear and settings. Personally, I'm a big fan of information-driven discussions and data-driven decisions. I suppose there are some people who prefer the opposite, so for the above example maybe something like this would be helpful.

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Canon Says it’s up to Sigma to Make Full-Frame RF Lenses

I'd argue that Sigma's 300-600 f/4, and specifically its price point, is one of the reasons Canon does not want to open RF FF AF to 3rd parties.
I do worry that's the case. I like Canon gear at the L tier and I own a bunch of it, but I just don't see myself and a variety of others ever spending $10k+ in today's dollars on a single lens. There are simply other life priorities of equal pleasure and competitive expense.

But do I want a nice, more-or-less sealed 300-600 with constant aperture? Oh yeah. So, I admit, Canon would technically lose my dollars to Sigma. OTOH, they're not getting my dollars for that lens anyhow, but at least they sold the body to me. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Actually well-heeled prosumers are more likely to go for the RF native lens - pro photographers are more sensitive to money and would give Sigma's a long look. That lens is a competitor to a number of big whites.
Interesting. I don't know enough pros personally to make a call, but I do understand business and business decisions.

Myself, I've stuck with the still great yet cheaper EF lenses at this time. But, the truth is that the driving factors are:
  1. I already had EF lenses when RF came out and I prefer to expand capability rather than replace capability, so there was inertia.
  2. The initial RF lenses that I tried all sucked when it came to full time manual focus override in servo. Af is great on the R6, but it isn't that great. The one R3 I've seen in the field still gets tricked as well. Plus, some of the lenses seem to shift focus backward when acquiring it suddenly, like when an animal appears suddenly in the frame. A lot of that seems to be fixed now by hearsay on this forum and a few personal trials of a limited nature, but again... inertia.
So cheaper is probably a pleasant coincidence more than anything else. And that really depends on the lens: some RF lenses are quite competitively priced with their EF counterparts.

I'm happy to sacrifice some aperture, critical sharpness, edge-to-edge matching sharpness, weight, or wall-to-wall sealing for 1/2 to 2/3rds the price. I don't know if I'd ultimately go with a Sigma 300-600 f/4 vs Canon's, but for the price I'd sure as heck borrow one to find out.

I'd love to see Canon or third parties recreate the spirit of the EF 300mm f/4 IS and EF 400mm f/5.6 in the modern era. Something like a silver-ring set of 300mm, 400mm, 500mm f/5.6 primes to go with the 200-800 in terms of sealing, sharpness, quality, and cost — as an example, pencil in other wishes as appropriate. If Canon does this and excludes Sigma, fine. If Canon cannot get around to it, then I'm happy for Sigma (or Fred, or Sally, or...) do something similar.

I know, I know... all beaten to death. Just daydreaming while waiting for a process to finish...

Yeah, me neither 🤷‍♂️
My whisky is tipped in your direction
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A New Constant f/4 Aperture RF-S Zoom Coming

Here's a really nice article that walks through an example of image equivalence:


If you're purchasing a mixture of gear, or if you're purchasing gear and want to recreate what someone else has done with different gear, or if you're in the field with different formats and attempting to achieve the same effect then this is good stuff to know.

If you have one camera and you're doing your own thing, keep calm and carry on...
I own an R6-2 and an R7 and have several lenses for each. Most of my FF lenses are EF and most of the APS-C lenses are RF. Sometimes I will go out with both bodies on a Black Rapid double harness. Typically, the longer lens is on the R7 and the shorter lens is on the R6-2, for example EF 24-105 f/4 and EF 16-35 f/4 or EF 70-200 f/4 and EF 24-105 f/4. My big complaint, the one that triggered my rant, is with DOF equivalence. As far as I'm concerned, it's a marginally useless concept, especially when trying to actually capture an image.

Update: My point is that the DOF of a lens is entirely independent of the size of the sensor which receives its image.
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Canon Says it’s up to Sigma to Make Full-Frame RF Lenses

Third party could be permitted, within certain quality parameters so as not to tarnisht he brand, mid-tier bridging the gap. A perfect example is Sigma's 300-600 f/4 — solid for prosumers, but likely Canon's 300-600 will be the lighter and better refined money maker pro's need.
I'd argue that Sigma's 300-600 f/4, and specifically its price point, is one of the reasons Canon does not want to open RF FF AF to 3rd parties.
The RF 300-600 f/5.6 (?), assuming it will materialize as rumored, will likely cost double, more or less, than Sigma lens. Actually well-heeled prosumers (i.e. us :geek: ) are more likely to go for the RF native lens - pro photographers are more sensitive to money and would give Sigma's a long look. That lens is a competitor to a number of big whites.
But, not holding my breath. 😎
Yeah, me neither 🤷‍♂️
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Canon Says it’s up to Sigma to Make Full-Frame RF Lenses

It would be nice to see Canon focus on top-tier gear and essential (if it's not there, why bother with the body) lenses. Canon can produce the best of the best for L, and the most pragmatic for entry cameras (~ 15mm -> 200mm).

Third party could be permitted, within certain quality parameters so as not to tarnisht he brand, mid-tier bridging the gap. A perfect example is Sigma's 300-600 f/4 — solid for prosumers, but likely Canon's 300-600 will be the lighter and better refined money maker pro's need.

Or if Canon's specialty is transitioning to prime-like zooms (increasingly since the EF 11-24, it appears so) then let the third parties tick all the major boxes with mid-grade primes (24, 50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500).

I'm sure the worlds can coexist to make the best combination of tier coverage, quality, profitability, and corporate resources split among R&D / manufacturing / marketing / support.

But, not holding my breath. 😎
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Canon Says it’s up to Sigma to Make Full-Frame RF Lenses

DPR has interviewed Sigma's CEO
Sigma Interview

FWIW, here is a quote which is relevant to this discussion:
He says full‑frame still has the highest demand, which means it has to be Sigma's priority for now. But he still sees the value in APS‑C, and that opinion goes beyond the fact that Nikon and Canon have primarily allowed APS-C lenses from third-parties

He then goes on extolling the benefits of crop cameras.
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A New Constant f/4 Aperture RF-S Zoom Coming

Here's a really nice article that walks through an example of image equivalence:


If you're purchasing a mixture of gear, or if you're purchasing gear and want to recreate what someone else has done with different gear, or if you're in the field with different formats and attempting to achieve the same effect then this is good stuff to know.

If you have one camera and you're doing your own thing, keep calm and carry on...
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A New Constant f/4 Aperture RF-S Zoom Coming

I find that the concept of equivalence is not at all useful. When taking an image with an R7 and a Sigma 18-50, I don't calculate the equivalent FF focal length and DOF. I just zoom the lens and use the DOF of the lens that I'm using and it works. One consequence is that I shoot wide open or nearly so most of the time.

I don't think that equivalence of DOF is how most people think. Equivalence seems to be an attempt of a small group of posters to say that other posters are incorrect and must be enlightened. My background is in psychology and economics so, for good or ill, that's how I see the world.
I agree in the sense of practice in the field: it's not too useful unless you're shooting each format side by side and need to synchronize effect. I only tend to use one or the other (my own camera is FF at this point, but my kiddo has an 80D) — but even then, it's almost like speaking different languages: unless you need to switch mid-sentance, you're thinking and doing in language A or language B but not a mix. You simply figure out what lenses achieve on your format and run with it.
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A New Constant f/4 Aperture RF-S Zoom Coming

I find that the concept of equivalence is not at all useful.
Ok. The fact that you personally don’t find it useful does not mean the concept is inaccurate, nor does it mean it’s not applicable to photography. It is both.

When taking an image with an R7 and a Sigma 18-50, I don't calculate the equivalent FF focal length and DOF.
Of course not, that’s not the point of equivalence. If you were considering replacing that R7 with a full frame or m4/3 camera, the concept of equivalence could help you decide which lens you should buy to enable you to keep taking pictures like the ones you currently take.

I don't think that equivalence of DOF is how most people think.
I'm not sure if you are just being stubborn, or you remain utterly confused about the concept (willfully, because you haven't read the links previously posted, or because you've read them and remain unable to understand the concept). It's not about "FoV equivalence' or 'DoF equivalence' or 'noise equivalence' – it's about image equivalence. FoV, DoF and noise are all characteristics of an image… and they are all affected by sensor size.

As above, the concept doesn't matter when you have a camera in your hand and you're out taking pictures. You're going to frame your shot how you want and pick your aperture for the DoF you want.

Equivalence seems to be an attempt of a small group of posters to say that other posters are incorrect and must be enlightened. My background is in psychology and economics so, for good or ill, that's how I see the world.
So in your world view, incorrect statements should not be challenged or corrected? Or if they are, no explanation should be provided?

Sensor size has no effect on images, and ignorance is bliss. Mmmmmkay.
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A New Constant f/4 Aperture RF-S Zoom Coming

Thinking more about the 15-70/4, I find it somewhat interesting that it's not quite a direct head-to-head competitor to either of the Sigma normal zooms, but that the Tamron 17-70 IS which IS a bit more of a direct competitor never appeared for RF-S. Makes me wonder whether Canon did actively prevent Tamron from offering that lens in RF-S mount.

I still wish this would have L-grade construction, but it seems far more likely that it'll be on the level of the budget FF STM lenses.
The absence of the 17-70 does indeed make more sense now, that was Tamron’s only mirrorless APS-C lens that didn’t directly compete against a superior Sigma alternative on RF mount, and one that would’ve been popular with the RF-S bodies lacking IBIS (4/5 currently).

If the construction isn’t L caliber, I hope it’s at least along the lines of the RF 28-70 f/2.8.
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A New Constant f/4 Aperture RF-S Zoom Coming

I find that the concept of equivalence is not at all useful.
It is really important when comparing cameras with non-standard image sensor sizes.
It was really just intended for focal lengths.
The arguments start to come in when we apply depth of field.
Depth of field is not always important.
In fact, sometimes having more in focus can be an advantage.
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A New Constant f/4 Aperture RF-S Zoom Coming

Thinking more about the 15-70/4, I find it somewhat interesting that it's not quite a direct head-to-head competitor to either of the Sigma normal zooms, but that the Tamron 17-70 IS which IS a bit more of a direct competitor never appeared for RF-S. Makes me wonder whether Canon did actively prevent Tamron from offering that lens in RF-S mount.

I still wish this would have L-grade construction, but it seems far more likely that it'll be on the level of the budget FF STM lenses.
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Canon Shows off Interesting RF 55mm & RF 85mm F1.8 Designs

Oh, I think it is. They made one of the elements an aspherical, but it's still the same basic 6-element, 5-group, double Gauss design. In fact, Canon states, "The RF50mm F1.8 STM features an enhanced version of the highly praised optical configuration employed by the EF 50mm f/1.8 STM..."
Lumping 6 element 5 group lenses together rather overlooks the subtlety of optical formulas.
Here are both the EF 50/1.8 & RF 50/1.8 ( latter on the right.)
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The EF 50/1.8 is a classic double gauze planar design.
Here is the block diagram of the 1964 Canonet 45mm f/1.7 rangefinder lens
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Both the Canonet 45mm lens and the RF 50mm f/1.8 have a very similar optical formula, and is a cross between a double gauze and a Zeiss Biometar formula. The modern update on the RF lens replaces the fifth simple element of the Canonet with an aspherical, and makes the doublet a curved mating, possibly achromatic, to improve performance and probably because with modern manufacturing techniques it's not now prohibitively expensive to do, whereas in the '60s it would have added a lot of cost to the lens.
I presume that Canon went down this optical route as the Canonet formula was already created for a rangefinder flange distance, although I note that in the RF 50/1.8 the rear element is quite a way off the sensor.
This is why I say that if the RF lens is a 'reshuffle' of anything, it is the 1964 Canonet lens, not the classic 'planar' of the EF 50/1.8.
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Canon Says it’s up to Sigma to Make Full-Frame RF Lenses

DPReview have spoken with Canon at CP+, shortened quote from the last paragraphs:

Pressing further on the possibility of more broadly opening the RF mount to licensees: "So we will carefully watch and listen to the customers' feedback and make the strategic decision."

So it appears that it is not entirely up to Sigma to decide on FF AF RF lenses.

See: https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/5615138412/canon-cpplus-interview-2026
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