Maximilian said:

You're repeating yourself.
It's not "blocking". Nobody if forced to give up patents or open up their eco system to others completely.
I am sure you have been complaining about Apple having a closed eco system as well throughout the lats twenty years, haven't you?
That's just free market economy.

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Using the legal system and DRM to block the use is still blocking. Something they didn't do with the EF mount even though they could have.

Exploreshootshare said:

The only real question to me is: what will happen to the R3 line?

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It's not a line until and unless they release a mark 2.

I did a rough size comparison of the 45mm 1.2 to the rf 35mm 1.8:

ritaC said:

A portrait no, but a beautiful landscape I look to see that the corners are sharp it matters to me

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Sure, but not every lens can or should be a landscape lens.

blackcoffee17 said:

Actually i hope the R8 II will keep the current sensor that is amazing and will add some features from the R6, like IBIS or joystick or wheel.

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IBIS and the wheel are the only things holding me back from the R8.

blackcoffee17 said:

Actually i hope the R8 II will keep the current sensor that is amazing and will add some features from the R6, like IBIS or joystick or wheel.

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I´d hope so, too! But, realistically I don't think it'll happen. IBIS and a joystick pushes it very close to the R6 line. I´d believe they'll add a wheel and maybe a button to the layout. Few minor tweaks and done. Looking at the price point, R6 line up isn't going upmarket, so the R8ii won't either. If both had gone upmarket, it would've created space for an even more stripped down FF camera (R9). A spot in which currently the RP kind of sits in. If this would have been the case, I believe the R8ii would have gained more features.But four or five (depending on whether the R3 line will stick around) lines of FF cameras seem to be enough.

The R6iii release kind of tells us a lot about the rest of the line-up. About the R8 but also how Canon handles market segmentation in comparison to the R5 (eye AF, cross type AF points...). The only real question to me is: what will happen to the R3 line? Will it become GS one day? Or will it serve as a cheaper R1 option lacking certain features? We will see.

Exploreshootshare said:

The camera looks really nice and I love the specs! I love they kept the camera layout exactly the same! I think Canon is settling in. I´d only wish for a rear screen mechanism. If I hadn't gotten the R5 last year, this would be my new camera To me, 32 MP (12,5 MP in crop mode) is an absolute sweet spot! 45 MP sometimes really is too much, especially when shooting kids on sports day... First world problems.

An interesting side note: There were rumors/ mumblings once of the R8ii getting a stacked if the R6iii gets one because in order to cut costs they share the same sensor. Well, thats obviously off the table (if it ever actually was on the table). I don't even believe the R8ii would get the R6iii sensor. In terms of market segmentation, it makes sense to keep the R8 at 24 MP. So I'll go ahead and purchase an R8 because the only that'd make me wait for th mkii would be a joystick. I think that isn't happening.

If the original R6 finally drops in resell value, I´d strongly consider it as well. I am shooting two christening, a diamond wedding, a 60th and a 50th birthday in my family/ friend circle next year. Looking forward to a two camera set-up

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Actually i hope the R8 II will keep the current sensor that is amazing and will add some features from the R6, like IBIS or joystick or wheel.

Maximilian said:

That's the good thing about opinions. YMMV, MMMV
I don't see any Sony lens that I'd be drool for.

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Don't worry about these comments today, it´s Canon release day

I won´t preorder the 45mm F1.2 (mainly because were moving on Dec 1st and spending a lot of money), but I'll rent it or test it otherwise and put it up against my 50mm F1.4 VCM. The 45mm is really intriguing and it could save me a lot of money. I´m sure the VCM is better, but is it that much better that it justifies 1k € more? I'll see...

The camera looks really nice and I love the specs! I love they kept the camera layout exactly the same! I think Canon is settling in. I´d only wish for a different rear screen mechanism. If I hadn't gotten the R5 last year, this would be my new camera To me, 32 MP (12,5 MP in crop mode) is an absolute sweet spot! 45 MP sometimes really is too much, especially when shooting kids on sports day... First world problems.

An interesting side note: There were rumors/ mumblings once of the R8ii getting a stacked if the R6iii gets one because in order to cut costs they share the same sensor. Well, thats obviously off the table (if it ever actually was on the table). I don't even believe the R8ii would get the R6iii sensor. In terms of market segmentation, it makes sense to keep the R8 at 24 MP. So I'll go ahead and purchase an R8 because the only that'd make me wait for th mkii would be a joystick. I think that isn't happening.

If the original R6 finally drops in resell value, I´d strongly consider it as well. I am shooting two christening, a diamond wedding, a 60th and a 50th birthday in my family/ friend circle next year. Looking forward to a two camera set-up

foda said:

One from the archives: a Red-tailed Hawk soars overhead in 2018

1DX, EF200-400mm f/4L
1/320 sec @ f/10, ISO 200
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Beautiful details in the plumage. Nicely done, Norman.

AlanF said:

I'm not scared of iso 32,000 says this Blackheaded Gull (R5ii RF 200-800mm 1/3200s iso 32000, DxO PL6).

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I really like the bird's pose and the composition. Well done, Alan.

Yeah I would have been really surprised, if the R6 III did not get a tally light on the front.

Regarding the 45mm f1.2 i am actually interested into this one, it could really be the successor to my EF 50mm f1.8. Though I am shooting on an R7, and as long as Viltrox is not producing for RF Mount, this might be a very valuable option!

One from the archives: a Red-tailed Hawk soars overhead in 2018

1DX, EF200-400mm f/4L
1/320 sec @ f/10, ISO 200

$469 for the 45? Sold.

I'm not scared of iso 32,000 says this Blackheaded Gull (R5ii RF 200-800mm 1/3200s iso 32000, DxO PL6).

NO new tilting screen?!?! like the Sonys??!!
Would be better for run and gun...if the diplay don't come out (to the side)

DhlcadR6 said:

I'm more interested in the 45mm f1.2 than R6iii, since it's pretty much confirmed there's no stacked CMOS with R6iii.

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I don't fully understand this line of thinking that's being perpetuated about non-stacked sensors.

If the readout speed is sufficient, then who cares if it's stacked or not. I've owned the R6, R6ii, and R5. The R6ii has an amazing sensor that excels at low light, and has minimal rolling shutter in real world use. It's also got exception AF already, better than the R5 and does it at 40fps.

Canon would never kill off sales of the R5ii by releasing a 32mp baby brother that does everything else the same.

The bird is really sharp. Nicely done, Alan.

padam said:

I give it 0% chance, there is even less space on a smaller, cheaper body.

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There is a tilting rear LCD on smaller bodies like M6 II. The R8 is bigger than that. There will be space for tilting and angle

Toni said:

Canon has left the APS-C RF market to other manufacturers because it's clearly not in their interest.
But that makes it clear that if those other manufacturers aren't releasing full-frame RF lenses, it's because Canon is blocking them.

I switched from a Canon APS-C DSLR to a Canon full-frame mirrorless camera. If I had known that today the RF full-frame mount would still be blocked for other manufacturers, I would have switched to another brand. It's that simple.
In fact, if it weren't for the expense I've made on the Canon equipment, I would switch brands right now. Because locking the R mount seems like a rip-off to me.

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I now use my R7 and R50V more than my R6-2, mostly because I bought six Sigma APS-C zooms and primes. My EF lenses are mostly 10-25 years old and not well suited for video work. That's why I'm much more interested in what the R7-2 will be than in what the R6-3 will be.

mangobutter said:

45 1.2 is perfect as is. do not want weather sealing. used non-ws lenses in the rain many times and never had issue. i haven't been excited about an RF lens in a while. i wish for an EF 40 2.8 STM in RF mount (yes i know flange distance is diff) but if they could somehow repackage that lens.. those optics are stellar in that lens. i absolutely love it. that being said, i'm hoping this new RF 45 is closer to the 40mm FOV side vs the 50 side. if it hovered around 43mm (whatever AOV that is) i'd be happy.

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I remember the patents shown here being around 48mm, so not on the wide side, this should be a 50mm in disguise; it's called 45 just not to go head to head with the 50 L and the 50 VCM

My guess for this 45 1.2 IQ, it'll be "quite good" in the center wide open with corners showing softness, picking up @ F2 in the corners and by F4, just about perfect. i'd be happy with this as i plan on using this as a isolationist/character/rendering lens. I hope! i don't want too many corrections making the bokeh busy jittery etc.

McMacmac said:

Thank you for your insights. But I will keep the R for landscapes, astro and as a backup. And I know the frustration of trying to shoot moving animals with it. I'll upgrade the lens first and see what 2026 will bring to the table...

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A fine decision!

45 1.2 is perfect as is. do not want weather sealing. used non-ws lenses in the rain many times and never had issue. i haven't been excited about an RF lens in a while. i wish for an EF 40 2.8 STM in RF mount (yes i know flange distance is diff) but if they could somehow repackage that lens.. those optics are stellar in that lens. i absolutely love it. that being said, i'm hoping this new RF 45 is closer to the 40mm FOV side vs the 50 side. if it hovered around 43mm (whatever AOV that is) i'd be happy.