The R8, albeit not being a great all-around camera, is the closest thing you'll get to a perfectly small, compact ff and very capable camera for occasions you need or wish to pack light. Just a few tweaks would turn it into a perfect camera for such events. It seems like a lot of people are posting "just change this one thing and baaam... perfect". This "one thing" is very different for everybody. For me, the one thing would be a joystick. First day preorder improvement.

Canon could improve the R8 with the following implementations:
1. IBIS
2. Joystick
3. scroll wheel
4. mechanical shutter to protect the shutter when lenses are switched (or something to replace that and protect the sensor)
5. pre-capture
6. Improved AF
7. new sensor
8. new screen
9. improved EVF
10. dual card slots
11. improved focus peaking (I didn't think of it, it is CR guys wish)

Of all these things, I figure a maximum of two feature would/ could happen.

Interestingly, I believe the R8 model could be a great camera to test a new screen mechanism. The flippy screen was introduced on rebel cameras like the 750d but wasn't used on any of the professional full frame DSLR. It made its entry to full frame with the EOS R. Maybe this time Canon will test it with a lower model in the line up as well and then implement it in the R7/6/5/1 line up.

esspy2 said:

I would like them to include IBIS so they could make their lenses smaller. It would also make Canon’s smallest lenses, the 50mm, the 16mm, and the 28mm more usable in low light. I don’t want to shoot everything at night with a shallow depth of field. If Ricoh could fit IBIS in their GR series, then Canon should be able to do it on the R8 Mark II! The battery problem can be solved with a LP-E6P but I’m not in favor of increasing the bulk and weight that much and would be happy with the LP-E17 if they can make sure it charges fast enough from USB-C.

I would also be happy if they were able to keep the costs down by re-using the existing 24MP sensor, but I have a feeling the 33MP sensor is the new norm and that canon is scheduling the death of their 24MP sensor now to take advantage of industry scaling.

Lastly I would like to see some weather sealing to make the camera safer to take out when it’s raining. Of course I’d like to see some more weather sealed, small, non-L lenses, but that’s probably the hardest to ask of these three requests!

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Just get an R6 Mark II then.
If they did all of that, nobody would buy the R6 Mark II, you would essentially get an R6 Mark II copy in a smaller form factor, for cheaper. How would you, as a company, make sure people still spend more money on the R6 II? Crippling the burst mode is certainly not gonna cut it.

I really don't like the idea of turning the R8 successor in some kind of "retro-not-really-retro" camera. Seems like it'll mess the R8 and won't appeal to the purists. My fear is that the retro design and maybe the redistribution of the button and wheel layout to give a retro look will mess up the camera. Sure, Canon has a good market research department and probably knows what they're doing, but companies can be wrong at times, too.

I've always envisioned my dream zoom lens, and 20-50 F4 (or equivalent) is it. just not too thrilled about it being a power zoom.. i like to manually zoom.

Sporgon said:

It looks to me as if DXOmark may have stopped assessing camera sensors

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Probably they reviewed the Sony A9III and decided camera sensors had reached their pinnacle of awesomeness and they could hang it up. Then they added one more test of a rangefinder from a brand I've never heard of (Pixii), but it seems to be a French product so that's why.

Andreasb said:

Sorry but I see this as a distraction and a bit of a waste of time, but that's just me, I guess, whatever turns your fancy.

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You're on a rumor site, it's all about distraction, dreams, and wasting a bit of time...

I think rather than silver it would look distinctive and different if they did more with the darker gray color used on the RF mount and would fit in with the lens lineup better.

I have been looking at the R8 as my travel camera. My R5 is to heavy with it L bracket attached and really not needed for those type travel photos IMO.
I would like to see a joy stick for moving focusing point and quick control dial.

I doubt the new R8 will get dual card slots or IBIS. Basically a new sensor and updated AF, but the same limits to separate it from the R6 series will remain.

Sorry but I see this as a distraction and a bit of a waste of time, but that's just me, I guess, whatever turns your fancy.

I think Canon should concentrate on getting a worthy follow up to the R8 and revitalize their AP-C line, all are looking long in the tooth, and maybe even a few worthy AP-C lenses, RF-S 15-85mm F4, Please!

And maybe even an enthusiast compact, 24 mp, 1 inch, 24-105 equivalent lens.

That would make me happy

I would like them to include IBIS so they could make their lenses smaller. It would also make Canon’s smallest lenses, the 50mm, the 16mm, and the 28mm more usable in low light. I don’t want to shoot everything at night with a shallow depth of field. If Ricoh could fit IBIS in their GR series, then Canon should be able to do it on the R8 Mark II! The battery problem can be solved with a LP-E6P but I’m not in favor of increasing the bulk and weight that much and would be happy with the LP-E17 if they can make sure it charges fast enough from USB-C.

I would also be happy if they were able to keep the costs down by re-using the existing 24MP sensor, but I have a feeling the 33MP sensor is the new norm and that canon is scheduling the death of their 24MP sensor now to take advantage of industry scaling.

Lastly I would like to see some weather sealing to make the camera safer to take out when it’s raining. Of course I’d like to see some more weather sealed, small, non-L lenses, but that’s probably the hardest to ask of these three requests!

Uneternal said:

Agree to everything but the tilt screen. We certainly don't need another camera like the R100 with a fixed screen. Fully articulating screens have the advantage that you can use them for selfies, even on a tripod and with an attached flash.

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I hope they don't appeal to the selfie demographic.
They're already catered to by 95% of the market.

blackcoffee17 said:

I hope they don't mess up the R8 with some retro BS and increased EVF bump. A little bit of styling is fine but keep the camera size.

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Aside from the "retro" aesthetic, what are you expecting from the mark II that the original doesn't provide?

At this point I trust Canon to make a good camera with decent trade-offs. I don't trust them in areas of subjective taste.

I want the screen to behave like the Fujifilm X-E5, Canon G7x and Canon M6 mark ii.

Maybe we could get a bigger EVF. The RP and R8 is workable but feels cramped

Stabilization please. And a beautiful retro design - that is the point of this camera!

scyrene said:

But there is no competition if as you and others have indicated the rival manufacturers have "given up" on (prosumer) crop.

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Sony could do something.

blackcoffee17 said:

I don't really understand what you are hoping for. The 7D2 is a 12 year old camera that is already very cheap. Excellent used copies can be had for £400, probably even less.

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It's not as cheap as it should be, at this point.
I want to pay less than I did for my 1DX.
It feels like a bad deal otherwise.

“On that topic, make focus peaking easier to see in all situations. There are still situations that I have hard time with it. That could be a me problem.”

You are not the only one having this problem. I have the same issue with the R5 Mk II and the R5.

Agree to everything but the tilt screen. We certainly don't need another camera like the R100 with a fixed screen. Fully articulating screens have the advantage that you can use them for selfies, even on a tripod and with an attached flash. Can't do that with a tilt-only screen, besides tilt-screens often have a limited amount they can move up or down.

Design: Make it boxy and small. It'd be fantastic to have a full frame that's maybe even a bit smaller and lighter than the R10. But please leave the EVF and hotshoe, unlike Panasonic.

IBIS: Nice to have when adapting vintage glass, but won't happen. I'm 100% sure the camera is going to slot in between the R8 and the R6 Mark II. With IBIS, it would cannibalize R6II sales.

Memory cards: Don't care if it only has one card slot. This isn't gonna be a camera you bring to a wedding. It's just for casual photography.

Simulation: One thing I would absolutely love to see is analog film simulations. I'm so over those 7 standard Canon picture styles. Canon could work together with VSCO or RNI and offer more refined picture styles that include adding noise, halation, bloom, dust, vignetting etc. I won't happen, but still, maybe someone at Canon reads this.

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Very nice images.

I hope they don't mess up the R8 with some retro BS and increased EVF bump. A little bit of styling is fine but keep the camera size.

Brewer's Blackbird

Sporgon said:

It looks to me as if DXOmark may have stopped assessing camera sensors, which could be an issue in the future, although it is easy enough to test for yourself.
However, they have tested the R8 which uses the same sensor as the R6II, and at base iso 100 the camera is actually 66. So I would set 1/60th. If you do this you will find that the rule works for you. Remember to give back half or even a full stop if there are significant shadows depending upon how prevent they are and how important detail is in them to you. (This is why the rule works for evenly front lit subjects).
As the ISO climbs the difference between stated ISO and actual gets less. Link is to the DXOmark chart for the R8.
For people only using the camera meter the difference is irrelevant, but if you are using a handheld meter it is very important. (Or the sunny 16 rule !) This is why the latest handheld meters such as the Sekonic 858 can be custom profiled to exactly match your particular camera.

DXOMARK

www.dxomark.com

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Thanks

This is unrelated to the EOS R7 Mark II, feel free to scroll past it.

There may be some new people that visit Canon Rumors from time-to-time, and once or twice a year we touch on the rumor aspect of this site.

There's a thing about rumors, they're rumors. There are still people that call us liars and that we make stuff up. We're a camera and lens tabloid in the end, and we've never said anything different. Why on earth would we waste our time making stuff up? This isn't a main source of income for anyone involved. Being wrong on the internet is ok, but we try to avoid it.

It's an exercise in parsing information.There are a lot more articles on this site that have nothing to do with rumors that help with the quiet times on the gear rumor calendar.

It doesn't matter how many times we say it, that has never been the case. It's an exercise in parsing information. Do people get mad at sports people when a rumored trade doesn't happen? Maybe they do.

Those people will never change though, and they'll hit my inbox with their thoughts and no return contact information for a discussion. They're nice landlords with the free rent. Cheers.

There has been a bunch of it lately, but at least they're visiting the site, and we thank you.

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Repeating the chorus, rumors are rumours.

I appreciate this site like a good pub by the sea where all of us who fish can gather to tell tales. There's a nugget of truth in each one, and if you listen well enough and long enough you learn the most amazing things — about your friends, and about yourself. Rarely is the fish as big or as small as was claimed, but usually there was a fish.

I appreciate this site and community for what it is. Where I don't have experience, I enjoy speculating out loud as well as learning from those with the experience. Where I have experience, well I hope a few people can enjoy learning from me so that they can have a little more fun in the field or better appreciate the alternate situations that their peers might be in.

Keep it up @Canon Rumors! Less interesting is the accuracy and more interesting is your earnest enthusiasm. This is a great place. In the overall thrust more tends to be right-ish than wrong-ish.

Regarding the R7 II — not something I'm interested in today, but there was a time when crop editions were what I had. I loved them, and I really did appreciate the reach. FWIW, I think it would be great for this community if Canon would take the R7 and split it into an R6 / R5 / R3 tier for the bird folk, mountaineering folk, etc. I know that probably won’t happen, so then at least a solid mid-range pro body.

My reply was at the same time as Sporgons!