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Andreasb said:

Sorry but I see this as a distraction and a bit of a waste of time, but that's just me, I guess, whatever turns your fancy.

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Years ago, a Canon exec said they had a "full-lineup strategy", meaning something for everyone. It makes sense for them to do something to address the retro camera niche.

I will say, I'm a bit envious of Nikon's "slightly slower" supertelephoto lineup
400 f/4.5
600 f/6.3
800 f/6.3

The latter is shockingly affordable. I feel like Canon is really missing out on this part of the supertelephoto market - Canon's RF 800 f/5.6 L is listed for 18k right now vs. $6k for Nikon's f/6.3.

I hope Canon will release some primes like this in the near future.

SD+microsd? Dual microsd for what I care, I have already been using microsd cards with 5Dm4! Who uses fullsize sd anyway?? Now that you mentioned it, I forgot to rant about SD card slot for years now. It just needs extra adapter for microsd, adding an extra point of failure. Of course we use microsd, as we need microsd everywhere, drones, drone remotes, action cams, and how knows what. You want your cards to be compatible with all your equipment.

28/2.8 retro version? I'm in.

45/1.2 and 35/1.8 retro versions? Meh...I'd rather see new lenses developed, 28/1.8 and the previously rumored 55/1.8. 100/2.

HMC11 said:

If the R8ii sticks with the current form factor and hence a LP-E17 battery, I would struggle to see how they can implement IBIS. As it is, the R8 already has a relatively low CIPA rating of 150-220 (standard to power-saving modes using EVF). Adding IBIS would reduce that further, let alone having overheating occuring (much) earlier. These might make the camera potentially rather frustrating to use.

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The R6III (which also sports this 33.5mp sensor) is far worse with it's power consumption than the previous R6ii. The R6II's sensor was a very frugal sensor power wise and even that sensor in the R8 still munches through the LP-E17 battery at an alarming rate. From the reports that I've heared from an active wedding photographer who's just traded one of their older R5's for a R6III (and uses a R6II), the R6III's battery usage is a lot worse than the R6II and is in the R5's zone.
For me, if im shooting a R5, I take 2 batteries and spare...I'll usually use about 1 battery completely and a second battery about half, maybe three quarters.
My R6II, I can pretty much shoot the whole gig on one battery and still have some jiuce spare. but I take a spare just in case. With my R8, I would take 4 batteries and use most of them. Thankfully they are small, light and cheap.
If canon puts the R6III's sensor into an R8II....they will need to re-look at the power source / battery. If they are redesigning the casing / body then it makes sense to jump to a LP-E6NH.
It's the screen and the EVF that consume to power, not the IBIS. Sure IBIS uses a bit more but it's insignificant compared to the rear screen and EVF.

I just want an update to the EOS M6 mkii when it comes to compact size and features. To make it retro, give it a waist-level viewfinder screen that can convert into a viewfinder with a prism. In waist-level mode it’s just the image on the screen. With the viewfinder installed it displays all your information as well. I want a retro tool for street photography.

Brown said:

Would a single SD card even be fast enough for a decent pre-capture buffer?

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Has nothing to do with the number of SD cards. The R8 already has pre-capture. I just want it to save the result in normal CR3 files as opposed to the proprietary package that it uses now.

Brown said:

Would a single SD card even be fast enough for a decent pre-capture buffer?

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Why would two slots make it faster? In any case, the buffer size is what matters more. With current memory market conditions, I would not count on big buffers.

Fanitullen said:

Keep the battery, one card-slot and no ibis. Just update the sensor and processor and add the new pre-capture.

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Would a single SD card even be fast enough for a decent pre-capture buffer?

I just played with the Canon R1 for the first time. What a viewfinder, it's like using an a good OVF in daylight. Manual focus was such a breeze. Could we have one of those on the retro camera. With some more MF Voigtländer optics

mb66energy said:

Distance scale etc are the reason I like EF lenses! Keeps the viewfinder a little bit cleaner.

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To each their own. To me, It’s not very helpful if I have to take my eye away from the viewfinder and look over the top of the camera to see that information. I’d much rather have it right in front of my eye when I want it.

AlanF said:

Yes if you want 300mm or so as a maximum but not if you want to go to to 420mm or 600mm with TCs.

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True. You could get out to 400 mm f5.6 with the 70-200 f2.8, but beyond that focal length you need a longer lens. Maybe this is why Canon is considering the 500 mm f5.6. Personally a RF 400 mm f4 DO with a built-in TC would be more flexible, but you can't get everything.

I hope they keep everything on the outside of the R8 II as it is now, except I would want a tilt screen instead of the flip out. And keep the low weight (or make it even lighter). I just love the D-pad. It's one of the best features on this camera, IMO.
BTW. I hate joysticks.

Keep the battery, one card-slot and no ibis. Just update the sensor and processor and add the new pre-capture.

For the retro-look & feel:
An EOS 500 N / 300 styled body just a tad too small for prolonged use with US- or WE-sized hands.
And, if Canon really wants to go hardcore, even a with separate available BP/VG.

IBIS would be appreciated, but no deal breaker if not present.
30+ megapixels
10 fps or better
Flip/rotate/tilt-screen, no specific preference. Either way, you'll miss the missing option anyway.

And a price somewhere between 1500-2000 Euros, as that seems to be the current WAF limit I am running into for purchases of toys

Two observations on the original post: wouldn't a fixed screen be more appropriate for a retro design? (I guess no screen at all would be even more apt!). And why would video features require "a bunch of time and resources"? Surely all that development has been done already, with existing bodies.

I've been waiting to buy it since the beginning of the year, after this news I didn't wait any longer and bought the R7 for a great price of 800 dollars Now it will last me a while and then I'll buy the R7M2 on sale (if it ever comes out) ... I managed to get to that price because Canon currently has cashback and I bought it with a gift (EF-RF converter) and set lens RF-S 18-150mm ....which I sold both in no time .. thanks CR : )

And what's the first thing to photograph with the R7 than birds?

Happy spring everyone

mb66energy said:

The longer it takes to release an R7 ii the longer I do not have to think about upgrading or not. Peace of mind is guaranteed for a while ;-)

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It is good the way that works for you. There are quite a few people here on the forum who suffer from GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) . They won't be able to keep that up.

What do you want to see ?
- A camera for photography only !
- Button and switches manual controls and ergonomics
- EVF or OVF but no back screen !
- Black and white mode switch just like on the nikon ZF
- Limited internal storage on purpose
Why not 1990's "vintage" style instead of 1970's look ?

Eric84 said:

Do we know if the R8 mkII will only be available in a retro-design, or will it come with the "regular" design aswell?

As I see it - Canon will have minimal "upgrade-space" without making the price jump up to R6 mkII.
But it would'nt make sense that the only difference between the R8 and the R8 mkII is the retro design.

The only things that make me consider the R6 mkII over the original R8 are:
- Battery-life
- Recording time in 4k30/60 without overheating
- Mechanical shutter (for use with studioblitz)
. IBIS

As I said - I know most of it cannot be implemented before the price equals the R6 mkII, but I hope at least the first two can be implemented with a slightlig bigger camerabody for more batteryspace and coolingvents.. Maybe change the cardslot to CFexpress Type B instead of making a 2-slot solution. Fullsize HDMI-output.

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I don't see Canon replacing the LP-E17 battery anytime soon.

john1970 said:

If you want a RF 100-300 f4 lens I would seriously consider the 70-200 mm f2.8 with a 1.4x TC. The 1.4x TC would only minimally degrade the image quality and you also have a 70-200 mm f2.8 L lens which is very good as well.

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Yes if you want 300mm or so as a maximum but not if you want to go to to 420mm or 600mm with TCs.

This is a great tip, complete with context. I’m starting to think about an R3 or R1, so will tuck this away.

The longer it takes to release an R7 ii the longer I do not have to think about upgrading or not. Peace of mind is guaranteed for a while ;-)

ShowMeTheEagles said:

Well, the rumored upgrades were hardly minor. Regardless, it doesn't explain a year plus of rumored specs from "accurate" sources. Canon didn't leak the false specs. That said, I have my doubts Canon will ever make a mirrorless APS body suitable for birding. Too much cost, too few buyers. We wanted to believe the fantasy.

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Shure but that is the reason I mentioned video and photo - APS-C photo has its uses in sports IMO and as a format similar to Super35 it is a great format for "classical" movie productions. A very fast sensor (w/ or w/o global shutter) is a real differentiator.
Maybe Canon is trying to choose from two releas concepts:
→ R7 ii with lots of video specs
→ R7 ii PLUS R7 V for both directions with specialized bodies using a broad set of identical parts but different body/software/hw controls for both scenarios.

Old Man FL/FD said:

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Distance scale etc are the reason I like EF lenses! Keeps the viewfinder a little bit cleaner!

I would like to see an f-stop ring around the mount maybe with a curved OLED display showing the f-stop-numbers of the mounted lens!
But more important: An image stabilized f/1.4 50mm, the size of the FD S.S.C. version and some polished quality at f/1.4 using some special dispersion / aspheric lens element(s) but keeping the character of this classic thing. Maybe omit the IS.