If I were conspiracy minded I could imagine the site generating a new Sony troll every time engagement is down.

Anyway, I've considered a faster-than-f/1.2 lens every so often for many years but never taken the plunge. Always interesting to see a new one come out, regardless.

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GMCPhotographics said:

I don't where you get this idea from, maybe you can't comprehend a sharp lens that can be sharp wide open with a 2x tc.

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Hmmh, not sure if I understood the point of your message. I don't know what kind of tests those people have done who discuss about the rf 100-300 + 2x at f5.6 shortcomings. I made my tests shooting a variety of different static objects using a tripod and a remote to remove shakes and other similar issues. Lenses in the test included EF 500mm ii, RF 100-500, RF 100-300, both RF extenders and RF 200-800. All in all, the RF 100-300mm at 500mm and 600mm at f5.6 was slightly less sharp than I hoped for, but nothing too irritating. Not a scientific lab test, of course. I have never owned the EF 400 f2.8 but my EF 500mm ii is very sharp with both extenders. Primes are great.

neuroanatomist said:

Turns out to be not quite as good as my original copy, so it will go back to Canon.

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Wow, thanks for posting the results! I need to start comparing extenders too to make sure mine are as they should.

Canon Rumors said:

I just bought an R8! Probably still the right call with an EVF, unless it has precapture and an optional EVF. I should know better.

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I can't even count how many times I have been very close to buying an R50V, only to decide "not today, maybe when they come up with an external viewfinder". And so it is. Still no R50V in my bag.

I think making EVF-DC2 compatible with R50V (and other upcoming small V cameras) wouldn't be too difficult, if the Canon engineers are not planning anything better. If they are, I hope they publish it soon.

A cool feature would be if the viewfinder was "turnable"; instead of just looking through it behind the camera, like you would through a normal viewfinder, the new external one could be turned to point different directions. Pointing it upwards would be very beneficial while shooting anything on ground level or near a wall or another similar obstacle. Yeah, you can turn the screen. But it is never as good as a viewfinder, in my opinion. And yes there are big viewfinders that can do this, but they are way too big with something like R50V. It would have to be something in the size class of EVF-DC2. One can dream.

*There is also another camera coming that has been talked about here in the past, and I have been convinced is coming*

So one that's not R7mkii?

Shallow DOF. Nicely done, danfaz.

Here's a baby grasshopper next to an uncooked grain of rice.
R5m2 + RF 100-500

I too lean on the R8 V because the C-complement for the R6 is the C50.
Owning the R50 V for its S&F capability and 2nd body for a wider lens ... some remarks:
→ I will never go again with EVF for a universal camera if that could be avoided
→ IQ is very good IMO and the camera is versatile on great on a gimbal because it is so compact
→ Easy powering with a PD USB-C power bank is great for time lapses (S&F!) and works as expected: Just click the battery cabel to the camera (I use a magentic adapter hoping that stumbling over a cable will not turn the tripod over!)

With an R8 V at 1899 € I would prefer the R6 iii with its S&F, viewfinder and IBIS ... if the new V-camera has real fps settings and long exposure times e.g. 0.5 sec at 1 fps ... that could be interesting just without EVF ...

Exploreshootshare said:

A Canon RF 20-50mm F4 IS STM PZ sounds really, really intriguing if it is very light. I've been going back and forth about my light setup or travel set up and this sounds like it might be an interesting option.

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That's an interesting consideration. 20-50mm would be very good 'walkaround' range for a single lens, similar to the 16-50mm range on the PowerShot V1. If this lens does come along, I'll wait for the IQ results to see if it's worthwhile, but it very well might be.

OH BOY OH BOY!!!!

I thought this day would never come!
Canon, I promise to order one if you don't fck it up in some way!

The camera sounds like an interesting addition to Canons portfolio. It kind of makes sense for it to be a R8V, since there already is a video dedicated camera that shares the same sensor as the R6iii. Atm, I'm very happy with the R8 as my second camera and as a light travel set up. In the future and if I decide to finally do more video stuff (school plays?) the R8V could become interesting to me.

A Canon RF 20-50mm F4 IS STM PZ sounds really, really intriguing if it is very light. I've been going back and forth about my light setup or travel set up and this sounds like it might be an interesting option.

InternalRevenue said:

If Canon had a brightish stabilized wider-angle compact zoom for RF-S the R50V would have been perfect for my use case, but they don’t and I expect that rumored RF-S 15-70mm f/4 will be on the large size. Even if it isn’t, like you said it doesn’t take much to become “too big for coat pocket” and defeat the purpose of a slim body.

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For me, those use cases are met pretty well by the PowerShot V1. The 2x crop isn't too far off the 1.6x for APS-C, and a focal length range equivalent to 16-50mm on FF is well-suited for a walkaround lens, for me. I do prefer the 24-105mm range on a FF camera, but in that case I almost always have either the 14-35 or the 10-20 in the camera bag, and in urban settings I will often have the 14-35 instead of the 24-105 on the camera most of the time.

The f/2.8-4.5 lens is not 'fast', but it's not too much slower than the G5/G7's f/1.8-2.8 when you also consider that those lenses have a 2.7x crop sensor behind them (i.e., for equivalence the V1 is 16-50mm f/5.6-9, and the G5/G7 is 24-100mm f/4.9-7.6).

neuroanatomist said:

Sadly, the camera has a B4 mount, which has a 48mm flange focal distance. No adapting RF lenses to that.

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Maybe macro for sleeping bugs!

Martin868 said:

That is the theory behind those products. In practice I don't think that is working. Canon is falling behind and the successful brands are not successful by doing this kind of stuff. Sony is great because of a broader ecosystem, great cameras in different form factors many of which Canon do not produce, and Fuji have interesting JPEG processing and compact systems. Canon seems to always be doing the same old same old. I am invested in Canon RF but I see the gaps and Canon does not seem to move in the right directions.

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Troll!

Sadly, the camera has a B4 mount, which has a 48mm flange focal distance. No adapting RF lenses to that.

dwkdnvr said:

Ha. This is exactly my situation as well. That S9 kit is remarkably capable for being so tiny - it might even be smaller than the R50V +kit lens. The weakness is that small primes for L are basically the Sigma contemporary series or manual focus.

I’ve been playing around with my wife’s R50 (not the V), and my feeling is that the ‘tiny everyday carry’ status is pretty fragile - the lens doesn’t have to be very big at all before it stops being ‘tiny’ and is just ‘smaller’. My concern is that a 20-50/4 with IS and PZ isn’t going to be small enough - if it’s around the size of the 16-28 STM or the LUMIX 20-60 it’s probably too big - not unusable, but no longer ‘stick in your coat pocket’. Still, if it’s small enough then the 16, 28 and 50 primes along with the 20-50 might be a pretty interesting travel setup. (I’d probably throw in the EF-S 55-250 IS STM for emergency reach assuming a crop mode works ok)

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If Canon had a brightish stabilized wider-angle compact zoom for RF-S the R50V would have been perfect for my use case, but they don’t and I expect that rumored RF-S 15-70mm f/4 will be on the large size. Even if it isn’t, like you said it doesn’t take much to become “too big for coat pocket” and defeat the purpose of a slim body.

Canon Rumors said:

It's this or a Phase One kit. I'm tired of the good light dying so quickly in the evening, so I need the MS-510. Hummingbirds at night is endgame!

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Hummingbirds hibernate at night so if you can find them, you can take long exposures with the gear you have now

InternalRevenue said:

Interesting, I was just thinking about jumping on that $1400 LUMIX S9 kit since Canon had nothing equivalent; if the body and that RF 20-50mm are also nicely compact I might be holding off even if it’s $2000+

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Ha. This is exactly my situation as well. That S9 kit is remarkably capable for being so tiny - it might even be smaller than the R50V +kit lens. The weakness is that small primes for L are basically the Sigma contemporary series or manual focus.

I’ve been playing around with my wife’s R50 (not the V), and my feeling is that the ‘tiny everyday carry’ status is pretty fragile - the lens doesn’t have to be very big at all before it stops being ‘tiny’ and is just ‘smaller’. My concern is that a 20-50/4 with IS and PZ isn’t going to be small enough - if it’s around the size of the 16-28 STM or the LUMIX 20-60 it’s probably too big - not unusable, but no longer ‘stick in your coat pocket’. Still, if it’s small enough then the 16, 28 and 50 primes along with the 20-50 might be a pretty interesting travel setup. (I’d probably throw in the EF-S 55-250 IS STM for emergency reach assuming a crop mode works ok)

Interesting, I was just thinking about jumping on that $1400 LUMIX S9 kit since Canon had nothing equivalent; if the body and that RF 20-50mm are also nicely compact I might be holding off even if it’s $2000+

Martin868 said:

In the latest sales reports in Japan, canon does not have even one camera in the top ten. I am not sure what your numbers are, for what region and if they are units or $.

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The graphic is global market share (units) for 2024 (the latest year for which data are available; those reports come out in late summer / early fall for the prior year). Japan represents <7% of the global market, and it's really not a representative fraction based on composition.

I have no idea what 'latest sales reports in Japan' you are referring to. The most commonly used source for those, representing about 50% of retail sales in Japan, is BCN Retail. Here are their rankings for last week and the last full month (i.e., the real 'latest sales reports in Japan'). 'Canon does not have even one camera in the top ten'? Lol. No, they have two in the top five (including the number one spot, which the R10 has held for the entire past year).



So you doubled down on looking foolish, and now look like a complete ass. Well done. I'd suggest you admit you are wrong and stop there, but it's your choice. Next up, will you triple down and make yourself look like a complete moron?

Martin868 said:

In the latest sales reports in Japan, canon does not have even one camera in the top ten. I am not sure what your numbers are, for what region and if they are units or $.

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Market share