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David - Sydney · Oct 31, 2025

SorenS said:
How come Canon don't do a RF 50 mm with IS!?

wide angle helped by body IBIS (if the body has it) and longer focal length with IS. Combined for zooms. there are exceptions of course eg my RF14-35/4

Walrus · Oct 31, 2025

Juicy, but I'm waiting from Chris Frost's word, if it's any good (aka AT LEAST on par with Sigma 50 Art at 1.4), it's probably instant buy

CanonGrunt · Oct 31, 2025

RF lenses keep reminding me of the FD mount. Mainly size and focal lengths. This reminds of when there were both regular and L series FDn 50mm 1.2 lenses. Or the FL 58mm 1.2. All of these were great lenses too.

scyrene · Oct 31, 2025

Eloniel said:
And I'm sure that if Sony release one trinity of f2.0 zoom Canon will have no other choice than release one too.

Not every lens is replicated across each manufacturer's lineup.

frankchn · Oct 31, 2025

SorenS said:
How come Canon don't do a RF 50 mm with IS!?

Very few manufacturers make these. I think Sony has a 50mm f/1.8 OSS and Tamron has a 45mm f/1.8 VC, but that's it. I think the market isn't there.

Dragon · Oct 31, 2025

Had some sunshine today, so tried the Vivitar 600mm Solid Cat on the R7. Still pretty dark and much easier to focus on the R5 than the R7. 23ft MFD is not really practical for hummers and the lens tends to soften a bit below about 50 ft, but did get a few decent shots. Overall it is one of the sharper Cats if you hit focus. DOF is very thin. Will be best on the R5 or R8.

Visitor -stellar jay- (posed at good angle for DOF to work out)

SorenS · Oct 31, 2025

How come Canon don't do a RF 50 mm with IS!?

miker33 · Oct 31, 2025

On par with the EF 50mm f/1.2L USM, huh? So sharp in the middle, not so much in the corners. Too bad, was hoping to replace my hefty Sigma 50mm 1.4, which is sharp corner to corner but heavy enough on its own, let alone with the mount adapter.

snapshot · Oct 31, 2025

wonder if it feels better then the EF 50 f1.4.

jd7 · Oct 31, 2025

I assume the Sony RX1R series hasn't been mentioned for the same reasons that the Fujifilm X100 and Ricoh series cameras were put in a different category from the compact cameras Richard was focusing on, and of course the Sony is far more expensive again. I have to say though I'd quite like the Sony as a small camera if it wasn't for the IMHO crazy price.

Click · Oct 31, 2025

Very nice series, RaPhoto.

RaPhoto · Oct 31, 2025

Some backyard Red-tailed Hawk photos at ~50m in a cottonwood tree. R5mkii and RF200-800mm.

Tom R5R7 · Oct 31, 2025

Philnick said:
Just don't make it a lot heavier or more expensive. Right now the R7 is one of the best APS-C mirrorless cameras, particularly since they opened up the RF-S mount a year ago, giving it more parity with Sony and Fujifilm. Nikon puts IBIS only in their full-frame models, making the APS-C Sigmas - all non-stabilized - not as viable. (I'm not familiar with Sony or Fujifilm's cameras.) It would be a shame for Canon to join Nikon in denying us hobbyists the kind of semi-pro camera the R7 represents by making it heavy and expensive.

I can't disagree, but I think that the R10 moniker should have been used for the present day R7, as it's more of an xxD type body, and save the single digit for something more comparable to it's semi-pro full frame brethren. I agree that we do NOT want Canon to go the route of Nikon and squeeze the crop bodies out of the top half of the lineup.

Tom R5R7 · Oct 31, 2025

MSH411 said:
I'm very hopeful that the R7 MkII does mirror the body style and layout of the R6 MKII and the other higher end bodies. The layout and design of the R7 along with the rolling shutter has kept me away from adding one. Shooting with it was awkward, the layout was uncomfortable as well as the size of the body to small. Muscle memory from my other R bodies simply caused this body to be ineffective. The nested joystick on the R7 in my opinion was a PITA.

I know that some may say it falls on me but I would respectfully disagree. Here's a crazy idea, standardize the buttons functionality across the R lineup so that people that use the gear can work across different bodies without having to learn a different layout. If rumors are true regarding the R7 MkII I will finally get to add the APS-C I wanted to my gear, if the layout remains the same and it's still has challenges with excessive rolling shutter I'll stick with what I own.

Or at least standardize it across the single-digit R series. I would expect the 1-series to be a little different because it IS a different animal. It's not likely that someone will be carrying their R1 on one shoulder and an R7 on the other (though it could happen, I guess). I did some photography stuff at some events in DC several years ago - I carried a 5D Mk xxx on one shoulder with a 24-70, and a 7D II with the 70-200 on the other. That gave me a very wide range of focal lengths for capturing people's signs and actions at the event, and sometimes even with some nice DC buildings in the background. So carrying 2 cameras that operate similarly is pretty useful at times.

Del Paso · Oct 31, 2025

Askeladden said:
The problem is in that camera technology has to a large degree plateaued which is evident by all the new models being just remakes which in some instances even removes features. I think it is pretty much impossible to be innovative in that space without adding bigger batteries which them would remove most of the charm.
Examples being the Panasonic DMC-TZ99 which in reality is just a TZ95 from 2019 with some meaningless new features such as an USB-C port etc. Canon's latest IXUS was just a remake as well where they removed features from the previous model released close to a decade ago.
The absolute worst example though is Leica which last year released the D-LUX 8 which is priced at $2k and is just another D-Lux 7 with better EVF and screen resolution and a new button layout. The real crime in all of this is that the D-LUX 8 just like the D-Lux 7 before it are rebadged Panasonic LX100MK2s which can be found for substantially less.. a camera released all the way back in 2018. Heck Leica even jacked up the price at one point due to tariff speculations making it even more costly.
Furthermore all the compact micro four thirds cameras are discontinued making some models fetch high prices on the used market. It is not like the manufacturers are not aware of this. If they could they would have made them already, the problem lies in what consumers expect from such a camera and from a technological standpoint it is impossible. The only thing they can do at this point is do remakes.
The way I see it for anything new and exciting to happen in the compact camera space we will need either new battery technology or more efficient sensors both of which seems like pipe dreams at this point in time.

So you don't believe that Leica's optical experts lovingly hand-polish each lens surface, after having fully disassembled the camera + lens ?
And replace every cheap Panasonic plastic part with German-engineered carbon reinforced zero tolerance NASA certified titanium elements? Eventually, they sell the D-LUX (name is program!) at a huge loss just to make the world's most demanding customers happy. How dare you criticise such a selfless behaviour?

It's true, I saw and heard it on FOX News.

Del Paso · Oct 31, 2025

At least, not too long ago, one could buy a tiny Olympus E-pl Mft, fit it with a moderate WA, or simply use the kit zoom.
I too am waiting for a cute little Canon with a VF !!! (I'd accept an adaptable one).

Askeladden · Oct 31, 2025

The problem is in that camera technology has to a large degree plateaued which is evident by all the new models being just remakes which in some instances even removes features. I think it is pretty much impossible to be innovative in that space without adding bigger batteries which them would remove most of the charm.
Examples being the Panasonic DMC-TZ99 which in reality is just a TZ95 from 2019 with some meaningless new features such as an USB-C port etc. Canon's latest IXUS was just a remake as well where they removed features from the previous model released close to a decade ago.
The absolute worst example though is Leica which last year released the D-LUX 8 which is priced at $2k and is just another D-Lux 7 with better EVF and screen resolution and a new button layout. The real crime in all of this is that the D-LUX 8 just like the D-Lux 7 before it are rebadged Panasonic LX100MK2s which can be found for substantially less.. a camera released all the way back in 2018. Heck Leica even jacked up the price at one point due to tariff speculations making it even more costly.
Furthermore all the compact micro four thirds cameras are discontinued making some models fetch high prices on the used market. It is not like the manufacturers are not aware of this. If they could they would have made them already, the problem lies in what consumers expect from such a camera and from a technological standpoint it is impossible. The only thing they can do at this point is do remakes.
The way I see it for anything new and exciting to happen in the compact camera space we will need either new battery technology or more efficient sensors both of which seems like pipe dreams at this point in time.

Tom R5R7 · Oct 31, 2025

GMCPhotographics said:
What you are seeing there is Electronic Shutter distortion due to the slow sensor read out. The R7's readout is suprisingly poor at nearly 30ms. The R6ii and R5 come in at around 15ms and the 1st Curtain shutter is around 3ms. The stacked sensor in the R3 and R5ii come in around 5-6ms. With the R1 being Canon's fastest at sub 3ms.
If you use the R7's 1st curtain shutter you will not see any of the shutter / sensor readout disortion but you will only have 15fps. If the R7ii has a stacked sensor design, then we can expect a huge reduction in sensor read out speed compared to the very poor 30ms of the current R7.
Some people find that the R7 is better suited to 15 fps because the AF can struggle to keep up with the full ES 30 fps, epecially in low light situations.

It should be noted that the sensor in the R7 is derived from/almost the same as in the EOS M6 Mk II, which debuted in 2019. The 90D is also from that era, and has/had the 32.5 mpx sensor. So it's not the absolute latest technology. It came in an era where mechanical shutters were the rule rather than the exception. I think it was refined a little for the R7, but the sensor's basic build is the same.

Anyway, we're due for a new one, hopefully with the same or better high-ISO noise performance (since Canon loves these smaller aperture lenses) along with much brisker readout speeds.

Quack · Oct 31, 2025

amfoto1 said:
... It's baffling why Canon felt the need to cheapen the R7 and give it an introductory price of $1500 in 2022. the R7 and R7II!

Not that baffling. Price is probably the number one factor in people's buying decisions.

P-visie · Oct 31, 2025

amfoto1 said:
There has been a lot of talk that the R7II will not have a mechanical shutter... only an electronic shutter. In order to accomplish that, Canon MUST vastly improve sensor readout speed to minimize rolling shutter issues. A stacked sensor is one way to do that.
So it makes sense that the R7II would have a stacked sensor. Especially since it would also improve auto focus performance, which is another area where the original R7 comes up a bit short.
The form factor change SHOULD BE nothing more than adopting the proven control layout of other Canon cameras like the R5II etc.
No, I don't believe Canon will give the R7II an R1 or R3 style body, with built-in battery grip. At least, I certainly hope not! But they do need to make the R7II compatible with a battery grip. Ideally would be it sharing the same grip(s) used by the full frame models. That is probably why the body will be slightly larger... although the original R7's footprint was very close to that of the R5's. There was just a few millimeters difference, which is why it was so sad the original R7 couldn't be fitted with a BG-R10.
Likely a truly improved R7II will cost more than the original... perhaps in the $1800 to $2100 US range. But keep in mind that the original 7D sold initially for $1700 and the 7DII for $1800... in 2009 and 2014 respectively! Both of those sold like hot cakes! It's baffling why Canon felt the need to cheapen the R7 and give it an introductory price of $1500 in 2022. Between 2014 and 2022 inflation was almost 24%... so theoretically the market shiould have welcomed a modernized, mirrorless 7DII that cost over $2000. Instead Canon went the other direction.
While there was a lot to like about the original R7... however there also were a lot of disappointments. Let's hope Canon has been paying attention customer comments about the R7 and R7II!

The R7 has the same sensor as the EOS 90D and the EOS M6 Mk II. Re-using that sensor reduced development time and costs. The sensor performance may be the reason why the R7 went “downmarket” compared to the 7D Mk II.

amfoto1 · Oct 31, 2025

There has been a lot of talk that the R7II will not have a mechanical shutter... only an electronic shutter. In order to accomplish that, Canon MUST vastly improve sensor readout speed to minimize rolling shutter issues. A stacked sensor is one way to do that.
So it makes sense that the R7II would have a stacked sensor. Especially since it would also improve auto focus performance, which is another area where the original R7 comes up a bit short.
The form factor change SHOULD BE nothing more than adopting the proven control layout of other Canon cameras like the R5II etc.
No, I don't believe Canon will give the R7II an R1 or R3 style body, with built-in battery grip. At least, I certainly hope not! But they do need to make the R7II compatible with a battery grip. Ideally would be it sharing the same grip(s) used by the full frame models. That is probably why the body will be slightly larger... although the original R7's footprint was very close to that of the R5's. There was just a few millimeters difference, which is why it was so sad the original R7 couldn't be fitted with a BG-R10.
Likely a truly improved R7II will cost more than the original... perhaps in the $1800 to $2100 US range. But keep in mind that the original 7D sold initially for $1700 and the 7DII for $1800... in 2009 and 2014 respectively! Both of those sold like hot cakes! It's baffling why Canon felt the need to cheapen the R7 and give it an introductory price of $1500 in 2022. Between 2014 and 2022 inflation was almost 24%... so theoretically the market shiould have welcomed a modernized, mirrorless 7DII that cost over $2000. Instead Canon went the other direction.
While there was a lot to like about the original R7... however there also were a lot of disappointments. Let's hope Canon has been paying attention customer comments about the R7 and R7II!

Billybob · Oct 31, 2025

AccipiterQ said:
I hope it's a big departure....I hate the R7 about as much as Richard hates the R100. I used it less than 20 times and never picked it up again. The shutter slap alone was enough to put me off. Set off local earthquake sensors.

If your count means the number of times you took it on a shoot, then my count may be less than yours. Shutter slap, shutter noise (machine-gun level), almost non-existent buffer, poor (compared to R5 and above) AF performance, all turned me off. Bigger size is a plus along with CFe support. 30fps in raw with a decent (strong) buffer is fine with me, but it seems that 40fps is the new norm for action camera bodies.

AcaPixus · Oct 31, 2025

YES! Where is it???
I am also a well assorted EOS EF, RF and EF-M user and have a now 17 years old Ixus 870 IS that I have been eager to upgrade for years. Almost got the G7Xm3 years ago, but decided to wait for the G7Xm4 with digic X. So Canon - where is it??

rombe3jr · Oct 31, 2025

Walrus said:
I have the 28-70 STM, great lens, I had the EF 24-70 2.8 L II and swapped it immediately for less then 200€ difference, nice upgrade, as I don't really use wide focals much, so 24mm isn't missed; a matching 70-180 STM or whatever would certainly be interesting to swap my ancient (but still hot and sharp) EF 70-200 2.8 L classic (non-IS).

But, doing weddings, and 70mm being not enough, I crave the Tamron 35-150 because I can have a single lens that covers both for 24/28-70 and 70-180/200, and instead of having two bodies always on me, I can just have one (35mm on the widest end is enough for 95% of my shots), and the second body would be ready in the bag, only when needed, arguably with a Tamron 20-40 2.8 or something similar (small, cheap, bright, as the use would be much reduced). Today if wideangle is really needed I have the 16 STM, small and inexpensive, but it's too wide, even a fixed 18/20mm prime would be enough for me, in Canon there's nothing cheap (20 VCM is overkill and overprice, it's a lens that would shoot no more then 50/100 pics per year, so 300/350€ is the max I would invest in it), and the old EF 20 f2.8 that would be perfect isn't any good wide open.
So today I have to remove 70-200 from the second body to accommodate the 16 STM in emergency, while in a possible Sony future (...or if Canon finally allows FF third party lenses on RF...) I would just pick up the second body, took those 5/10pics needed, and store it back for good in the bag.

I would buy an used A7IV, and that's why I'm on the verge of moving to Sony since almost two years, but I haven't done yet, because I'm waiting for the A7V to be released, so the A7IV price drops and the used market is flooded by cameras form people wanting to upgrade.

A7III or A7C feels not enough advanced in the AF system for being my primary camera (could certainly be the second, today I work with primary R6 and secondary RP), the A7S's have too low mpx, and the A7R's have too high mpx, I'm happy to move on from 20mpx (which is my resolution since 5D II in 2010 and passing thru the 6D...yes, time to have some more after 15yrs) but 42/60mpx from A7R's are not needed, the 33mpx of the A7IV feels like a perfect sweet spot. And yes, I know that R6 III would have the exact same sweet spot, but my primary concern is having one lens that does it all, and the R6 III doesn't solve the issue, like it doesn't solve it the RF 24-105 2.8 L which is too expensive, and also too short on the long end to be the do-it-all lens that I'd like to have.

Now, Canon semi-new course with lenses like 28-70 STM, 16-28 STM and the possibile 2.8 tele zoom companion, and the coming 45 f1.2 are certainly helping me to stay for the moment, probably without the 28-70 STM I would already have gone in the last year, so something better is happening, but I still don't feel it's enough for me.

The 35-150 is well suited for weddings. Larger lenses only help look more professional! I have seen the Sony A7IV used for as little as $1,400 (USD) this fall on MPB, although a fairly high shutter count. I can see the appeal. Canon does have better ergonomics, color science build quality and service. Lens selection (compared with Sony) maybe the only weakness. Glad to hear you like the 28-70 STM! That will probably be my next lens for church photos & videos.

AccipiterQ · Oct 31, 2025

I hope it's a big departure....I hate the R7 about as much as Richard hates the R100. I used it less than 20 times and never picked it up again. The shutter slap alone was enough to put me off. Set off local earthquake sensors.

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