At this point I trust Canon to make a good camera with decent trade-offs. I don't trust them in areas of subjective taste.

I want the screen to behave like the Fujifilm X-E5, Canon G7x and Canon M6 mark ii.

Maybe we could get a bigger EVF. The RP and R8 is workable but feels cramped

Stabilization please. And a beautiful retro design - that is the point of this camera!

scyrene said:

But there is no competition if as you and others have indicated the rival manufacturers have "given up" on (prosumer) crop.

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Sony could do something.

blackcoffee17 said:

I don't really understand what you are hoping for. The 7D2 is a 12 year old camera that is already very cheap. Excellent used copies can be had for £400, probably even less.

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It's not as cheap as it should be, at this point.
I want to pay less than I did for my 1DX.
It feels like a bad deal otherwise.

“On that topic, make focus peaking easier to see in all situations. There are still situations that I have hard time with it. That could be a me problem.”

You are not the only one having this problem. I have the same issue with the R5 Mk II and the R5.

Agree to everything but the tilt screen. We certainly don't need another camera like the R100 with a fixed screen. Fully articulating screens have the advantage that you can use them for selfies, even on a tripod and with an attached flash. Can't do that with a tilt-only screen, besides tilt-screens often have a limited amount they can move up or down.

Design: Make it boxy and small. It'd be fantastic to have a full frame that's maybe even a bit smaller and lighter than the R10. But please leave the EVF and hotshoe, unlike Panasonic.

IBIS: Nice to have when adapting vintage glass, but won't happen. I'm 100% sure the camera is going to slot in between the R8 and the R6 Mark II. With IBIS, it would cannibalize R6II sales.

Memory cards: Don't care if it only has one card slot. This isn't gonna be a camera you bring to a wedding. It's just for casual photography.

Simulation: One thing I would absolutely love to see is analog film simulations. I'm so over those 7 standard Canon picture styles. Canon could work together with VSCO or RNI and offer more refined picture styles that include adding noise, halation, bloom, dust, vignetting etc. I won't happen, but still, maybe someone at Canon reads this.

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Brewer's Blackbird
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Very nice images.

I hope they don't mess up the R8 with some retro BS and increased EVF bump. A little bit of styling is fine but keep the camera size.

Brewer's Blackbird

Sporgon said:

It looks to me as if DXOmark may have stopped assessing camera sensors, which could be an issue in the future, although it is easy enough to test for yourself.
However, they have tested the R8 which uses the same sensor as the R6II, and at base iso 100 the camera is actually 66. So I would set 1/60th. If you do this you will find that the rule works for you. Remember to give back half or even a full stop if there are significant shadows depending upon how prevent they are and how important detail is in them to you. (This is why the rule works for evenly front lit subjects).
As the ISO climbs the difference between stated ISO and actual gets less. Link is to the DXOmark chart for the R8.
For people only using the camera meter the difference is irrelevant, but if you are using a handheld meter it is very important. (Or the sunny 16 rule !) This is why the latest handheld meters such as the Sekonic 858 can be custom profiled to exactly match your particular camera.

DXOMARK

www.dxomark.com

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Thanks

This is unrelated to the EOS R7 Mark II, feel free to scroll past it.

There may be some new people that visit Canon Rumors from time-to-time, and once or twice a year we touch on the rumor aspect of this site.

There's a thing about rumors, they're rumors. There are still people that call us liars and that we make stuff up. We're a camera and lens tabloid in the end, and we've never said anything different. Why on earth would we waste our time making stuff up? This isn't a main source of income for anyone involved. Being wrong on the internet is ok, but we try to avoid it.

It's an exercise in parsing information.There are a lot more articles on this site that have nothing to do with rumors that help with the quiet times on the gear rumor calendar.

It doesn't matter how many times we say it, that has never been the case. It's an exercise in parsing information. Do people get mad at sports people when a rumored trade doesn't happen? Maybe they do.

Those people will never change though, and they'll hit my inbox with their thoughts and no return contact information for a discussion. They're nice landlords with the free rent. Cheers.

There has been a bunch of it lately, but at least they're visiting the site, and we thank you.

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Repeating the chorus, rumors are rumours.

I appreciate this site like a good pub by the sea where all of us who fish can gather to tell tales. There's a nugget of truth in each one, and if you listen well enough and long enough you learn the most amazing things — about your friends, and about yourself. Rarely is the fish as big or as small as was claimed, but usually there was a fish.

I appreciate this site and community for what it is. Where I don't have experience, I enjoy speculating out loud as well as learning from those with the experience. Where I have experience, well I hope a few people can enjoy learning from me so that they can have a little more fun in the field or better appreciate the alternate situations that their peers might be in.

Keep it up @Canon Rumors! Less interesting is the accuracy and more interesting is your earnest enthusiasm. This is a great place. In the overall thrust more tends to be right-ish than wrong-ish.

Regarding the R7 II — not something I'm interested in today, but there was a time when crop editions were what I had. I loved them, and I really did appreciate the reach. FWIW, I think it would be great for this community if Canon would take the R7 and split it into an R6 / R5 / R3 tier for the bird folk, mountaineering folk, etc. I know that probably won’t happen, so then at least a solid mid-range pro body.

My reply was at the same time as Sporgons!

Salamander said:

Thanks for that update. I have the Canon R6ii. Do you know where on those websites I can find the iso data?

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I don't think they are on them. I might have missed it, but I don't recall photonstophotos having the data, and I just checked DxoMark and the last Canon they did was the R3 in 2023.

It looks to me as if DXOmark may have stopped assessing camera sensors, which could be an issue in the future, although it is easy enough to test for yourself.
However, they have tested the R8 which uses the same sensor as the R6II, and at base iso 100 the camera is actually 66. So I would set 1/60th. If you do this you will find that the rule works for you. Remember to give back half or even a full stop if there are significant shadows depending upon how prevent they are and how important detail is in them to you. (This is why the rule works for evenly front lit subjects).
As the ISO climbs the difference between stated ISO and actual gets less. Link is to the DXOmark chart for the R8.
For people only using the camera meter the difference is irrelevant, but if you are using a handheld meter it is very important. (Or the sunny 16 rule !) This is why the latest handheld meters such as the Sekonic 858 can be custom profiled to exactly match your particular camera.

Flyingskiguy said:

and what of that 6GHz wifi certification floating around? What camera does that align with? Doubtful it is this R6V or R8II

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That aligns very well with an R6V actually, a mid range body. Would expect 5GHz at best in an R7 successor. Likely 4GHz.

Sporgon said:

Beware the Sunny 16 rule with digital cameras !
As has been correctly stated, the ‘rule’ is when the subject is lit frontally and evenly in full sunlight, from two hours after sunrise to two hours before, if your shutter speed is the ‘same’ as your iso then f/16 gives the correct exposure.
The problem with this rule and most digital cameras is that their stated iso is not the real iso. So to use the ‘sunny 16’ with a digital camera you have to know what, say 100 iso on your camera really is. This information is available at both dxomark and photonstophotos.
To use a Canon R6 as an example, the camera stating 100 is really 63.
So to use the sunny 16 rule when your R6 is set to 100 iso, on a full sunny front lit day set 1/60th, not 1/100 at f/16 and you’re exposure will be spot on.
On my 5DS the 100 iso setting is really 77.

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Thanks for that update. I have the Canon R6ii. Do you know where on those websites I can find the iso data?

I miss my glory days of canon crop. The XSI and t2i- which i still own - and battery still works - were just champions. The clarity of that xsi sensor, the colors of the t2i..those were the days.

After trips across the globe, My 7d fell apart, sensor wise. Canon could never fix (4 tries!!) and i said never again to large crop cameras after that.

RFS- not s chance. The r50v cheap build made me look elsewhere..and right to an s9 retired my m62 w/ evf & awesome smallrig cage, + 32mm sigma, 11-22, etc.

Small full frame is the play. + Sigma lenses..win.

Salamander said:

Thanks. I found a handy chart that further explains it. It’s going to take me some time and practice to get handy at this.

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Beware the Sunny 16 rule with digital cameras !
As has been correctly stated, the ‘rule’ is when the subject is lit frontally and evenly in full sunlight, from two hours after sunrise to two hours before, if your shutter speed is the ‘same’ as your iso then f/16 gives the correct exposure.
The problem with this rule and most digital cameras is that their stated iso is not the real iso. So to use the ‘sunny 16’ with a digital camera you have to know what, say 100 iso on your camera really is. This information is available at both dxomark and photonstophotos.
To use a Canon R6 as an example, the camera stating 100 is really 63.
So to use the sunny 16 rule when your R6 is set to 100 iso, on a full sunny front lit day set 1/60th, not 1/100 at f/16 and you’re exposure will be spot on.
On my 5DS the 100 iso setting is really 77.

Michael Clark said:

To quote Roger Cicala, "I was, er, might have been wrong, ahem... less correct than I originally wrote."

I was underexposing by a stop to protect the highlights with plans to boost the mids and shadows in post while holding back the highlights.

Yeah, that's it! That's the ticket. I was protecting the highlights!

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There are some here who would have argued that seriously.

snapshot said:

I seem to recall a rumor that the R7m2 was "out in the wild." If this was true, it might be the real world testing by photographers they respect didn't produce very good results. Maybe they need some time to improve it.

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Or perhaps the R6 V was ‘out in the wild’ and assumptions were made about it being the R7II.

I seem to recall a rumor that the R7m2 was "out in the wild." If this was true, it might be the real world testing by photographers they respect didn't produce very good results. Maybe they need some time to improve it.

There's no criticism from me about the rumours, because they are just rumours, and until things are announced, you can't be sure. But it does just about confirm that I'll be leaving Canon RF, I will keep my EF system based around a 5Ds, because it will be useful for high resolution FF landscapes and macro. I got a m4/3 system, based around an OM-1 mkII because it does most of what an R7 mkII will do without quite the resolution, which is no big deal as my 7D was only 20mp.

Michael Clark said:

I hate to break the news to you, but none of the boomers are middle aged any longer. Those born in 1964 are turning 62 years old this year. All of the boomers will officially be "seniors" by the end of this year. In most places, they've been considered "seniors" since they turned 60 in 2024.

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Damn u hit me where it hurts the most

A bit off-topic, but hey, community life.

1) I meant in the slang context, as in somebody who seems rigid and oldschool crying about losing old stuff and having difficulties accepting new trends.
2) My country had a very different history and demographic graph, we had a boom in the 70s.

Cheers.

Sylvester said:

You would hope so -
Canon obviously have much more data than we do about what sells and what does not.
Similarly they will have survey and focus group data - but that's very subjective based on which audience and question you ask.

What no marketing department have is a view of how well the product that they did not launch would have done or how many people purchased an alternative because you had a gap in your lineup. Not many people call to say hey I bought something else or switched systems.

I really do hope that Canon come though with a worthy successor sooner rather than later.

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Sure, it's not an exact science by any means. But if anyone in the industry has a handle on it, the perennial market leader should. I'm quite suspicious of a lot of forum posts that boil down to trying to make personal disappointment into sometging bigger and more objective (not aimed at anyone in particular).

Anyhow, a lot of people have assumed this represents a postponement but if it boils down to CR misreading the runes then maybe it was never planned to come this soon.

scyrene said:

Presumably? This isn't their first rodeo

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You would hope so -
Canon obviously have much more data than we do about what sells and what does not.
Similarly they will have survey and focus group data - but that's very subjective based on which audience and question you ask.

What no marketing department have is a view of how well the product that they did not launch would have done or how many people purchased an alternative because you had a gap in your lineup. Not many people call to say hey I bought something else or switched systems.

I really do hope that Canon come though with a worthy successor sooner rather than later.