scyrene said:

Mistakes won't show more easily on higher MP sensors if you view the image at the same magnification. It's only if you insist on viewing at 100% or cropping more on the higher pixel sensor that eg diffraction or camera shake will be more clearly resolved.

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What many pixel peepers fail to realize is that viewing at 100% from a 22MP sensor is a much lower enlargement ratio than viewing at 100% from a 50MP sensor.

On a standard FHD 24" monitor with 96ppi, at 100% you're looking at a piece of something like a 60x40 inch enlargement for the 22MP image. On the same monitor at 100% you're looking at a piece of something like a 90x60 inch enlargement for the 50 MP image. The more you enlarge, the more you magnify everything, including blur and noise.

Maximilian said:

Thanks for the examples, Alan!
I was looking at RAWs SOOC with Canons original DPP.
And there the results were not as good as yours look here.

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There's no such thing as "RAWs SOOC". The data is highly processed to give you the image you see on your screen. If you haven't modified any adjustments after opening the images, then whatever default settings are selected when DPP opens raw files can have an effect. You may even be looking at the JPEG preview image attached to the raw file if you have some of your default display settings in DPP set to "fast" rather than "high quality".

Not to mention that Digital Photo Professional has been on version 4 since around 2012. I'm surprised the "original" version of DPP even supports those two cameras, as version 3 certainly does not.

masterpix said:

If there is R3 with 50MP sensor, than the R5III will have to have something much bigger than that so it will contonue to be "different" from it. The R1 will be the "fastest" thing around with lower resolution (as the 1D were) the R5 will be the "camera with the most MP" and the R3 will be somewhere in the middle while it features new things that later will come to the R1 (2) and the R5 (3).

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Will it? The z9 and z8 are essentially the same except for the body and both still do well and have people that think one is much better than the other.

R6mkiii did move up in resolution though and if R3 is also getting a big bump maybe the R5 series will bump up to 60-80mp next

Philnick said:

What cameras and lenses were used here? Since no camera you list has more than 24MP, for all we know the degraded left-hand image was an APS-C crop from from the center of a 24MP full-frame image - and is thus barely more than 9MP, not to mention the lower resolving power of a shorter lens - particularly if it's shot at a smaller aperture incurring more shot noise? Hardly fair. Doesn't "spark joy" to see such a post.

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Not to mention the possibility of differences in processing pipeline. AI NR could get the left example a lot closer to the right example than what is shown.

Michael Clark said:

It's actually the larger influence of Poisson distribution (i.e. statistical fluctuations) due to the reduced amount of light allowed into the camera, which is what requires those higher ISOs, that causes the increased noise. If you shoot at high ISO but let enough light into the camera to fully saturate the highlights there's a lot less noise than if you still don't get enough light to saturate anything in the frame, even with the higher analog amplification due to the higher ISO.

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The iso doesn't affect the amount of light let into to the camera - it's the same amount at all isos, and there is the same noise (Poisson) distribution if you keep the aperture and speed constant and fiddle with the iso up and down. The iso just sets the ceiling for the amplification in the read out, it doesn't increase the amplification. If you fully saturate the highlights, you will bleach them.

Planterz said:

I said a 70-200mm equivalent f2.8 APS-C, not a 70-200mm f2.8 equivalent APS-C.

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There's very little difference in size, weight, and cost between a 70-200/2.8 with a FF image circle and a 70-200/2.8 with an APS-C image circle. The front group, which is where a significant portion of the money is spent, has to be the same size either way to allow 200mm f/2.8. The most expensive piece of glass in most 70-200mm f/2.8 is an aspherical high index (UD in Canon speak) element which is usually the second or third element in the front group.

To be f/2.8 "equivalent" for APS-C , it would need to be an f/1.8 lens, rather than f/2.8. That makes it even more expensive than a FF 70-200/2.8.

Bob Howland said:

Based on my experience with a 7D vs 5D3 and R7 vs R6-2, I think it's been this way since about 2012. My maximum auto ISO for the APS-C cameras is 6400 and for the FF cameras, 12800.

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The 2009 7D should be compared to the 2008 5D Mark II.

The 2014 7D Mark II is the one that should be compared to either the 2012 5D Mark III or the 2016 5D Mark IV. The 7D Mark II was released almost at the end of 2014 while the 5D Mark III and 5D Mark IV were released early in 2012 and mid-year 2016, respectively, so the 7D Mark II release date was closer to the 5D Mark IV than to the 5D Mark III.

I never shot beyond ISO 3200 with the 7D. I'll go ISO 5000 or if desperately needed ISO 6400 with the 7D Mark II. But if the light is that dim I'm usually swapping my 70-200/2.8 from the 7D to the 5D Mark III to use with the 5D Mark IV as my "wide" body in a two-body setup. Either that or forgetting f/2.8 zooms altogether and going with fast primes, typically 35/2, 85/1.8, and 135/2

bendilts said:

This 2-3 month old alligator had his picture taken a few feet from his loudly-hissing mother in the Everglades, from on board an airboat.

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I love the interplay of light and shadow.

Michael Clark said:

What makes you think 40MP would upset any more 7D DSLR fans than 32MP would. Either way there will be complainers.

If they make it 40MP there will be those who moan, "They should have left it at 32MP and improved the high ISO/low light performance!"

If they leave it at 32 MP others will cry, "They didn't increase the resolution at all!"

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I'd say that it's pointless to argue about theoretical specs before we even know what they are, or assume that Canon hasn't improved both noise performance and resolution. I guess that's the point of these forums though.

bendilts said:

This guy was also trying to have lunch in the Everglades but may have bitten off more than he can chew
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Perfect timing.

johnrowlandphoto said:

I'm in if two wishes come true. Put it in a R6 body I need bigger buttons and please add the voice note. As a news photographer it is so helpful to add an ID or "this was a two run double in the sixth". When you are sending pictures on deadline it is so helpful.

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Canon has never put that capability in anything other than 1-Series bodies. I highly doubt they ever will.

Maybe if their competitors begin to give it to lower tier bodies it may eventually happen?

SHAMwow said:

I hope it is 40mp just to see another wave of upset 7D DSLR fans. I want to see a post in 2030 of someon explaining why they're still waiting to switch over to mirrorless.

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What makes you think 40MP would upset any more 7D DSLR fans than 32MP would? Either way there will be complainers.

If they make it 40MP there will be those who moan, "They should have left it at 32MP and improved the high ISO/low light performance!"

If they leave it at 32 MP others will cry, "They didn't increase the resolution at all!"

AlanF said:

... the noise is primarily due to statistical fluctuations in the number of photons at high iso.

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It's actually the larger influence of Poisson distribution (i.e. statistical fluctuations) due to the reduced amount of light allowed into the camera, which is what requires those higher ISOs, that causes the increased noise. If you shoot at high ISO but let enough light into the camera to fully saturate the highlights there's a lot less noise than if you still don't get enough light to saturate anything in the frame, even with the higher analog amplification due to the higher ISO.

johnchio said:

I'm still a bit concerned because the original R7's noise performance was quite bad above 3200, and with the greater pixel density it could be even worse if they don't do something else. Also, is this the highest density pixel sensor that Canon has(or will) released?

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Well, the original 18 MP 7D was a lot noisier than the 20MP 7D Mark II. Or at least my 7D was a lot noisier than my 7D Mark II.

My 22.3MP 5D Mark III is also a little noisier than my 30.4MP 5D Mark IV.

Moderate increases in resolution can be offset by improvements in sensor technology over a 4-5 year period.

GMCPhotographics said:

Both the R6iii or R5ii are terrific cameras, easily the finest that Canon have ever made. Really, it comes down to price point, lower noise at higher iso vs sensor read out speed.
I think the AF improvements in the R5ii are a big jump over the R5, as well as the stacked sensor, the R6iii is less of a drastic improvement over the R6ii, but very much over the original R6 or even the Eos R.
I’ve enjoyed my short time with the R5, however, the weaker AF is irritating me a bit. I might save for a R5ii later in 2026.
I have a few lenses I need to purchase in 2026, so for me…lenses first, camera bodies 2nd.

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The R5ii, R6ii and R6iii have the same noise and DR at high iso when viewed at the same size.

DSB said:

Good for you! There's no turning back now I couldn't imagine my photography work kit without a shift lens. I don't care much for tilt, but shift is a huge part of how I take photos.

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Do you shoot city or landscape? If yes, I presume the tilt would replace the need for stopping down to achieve the hyperfocal distance. Did I word that correctly? I watched this video about the Scheimpflug Principle. It's interesting, to say the least. The video gave an artistic idea for use with the TS-E 24mm.

Canon Rumors said:

The Canon EOS R3 Mark II rumor fest is back in full force apparently. We are receiving an increasing number of emails about the camera coming in the next few months. I talked about a new R3 earlier this month and I'm of the belief that if it doesn't come before CP+ at the end […]

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If there is R3 with 50MP sensor, than the R5III will have to have something much bigger than that so it will contonue to be "different" from it. The R1 will be the "fastest" thing around with lower resolution (as the 1D were) the R5 will be the "camera with the most MP" and the R3 will be somewhere in the middle while it features new things that later will come to the R1 (2) and the R5 (3).

blackcoffee17 said:

The main selling point of the R1 is speed + high iso image quality combined, not speed alone

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Unless you are interested in quality at pixel level, at image level there is not much to distinguish any FF camera from another

AlanF said:

The R5 is actually superior to the R5ii for landscapes etc. The R5 is still superb for action work but the R5ii is even better, the AF is faster and it recognises birds at even greater distances. And it has pre-capture. I am sure Canon could have done a firmware upgrade on the R5 but it chose not too to make the R5ii more attractive.

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Both the R6iii or R5ii are terrific cameras, easily the finest that Canon have ever made. Really, it comes down to price point, lower noise at higher iso vs sensor read out speed.
I think the AF improvements in the R5ii are a big jump over the R5, as well as the stacked sensor, the R6iii is less of a drastic improvement over the R6ii, but very much over the original R6 or even the Eos R.
I’ve enjoyed my short time with the R5, however, the weaker AF is irritating me a bit. I might save for a R5ii later in 2026.
I have a few lenses I need to purchase in 2026, so for me…lenses first, camera bodies 2nd.

bendilts said:

This guy was also trying to have lunch in the Everglades but may have bitten off more than he can chew
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Looks like me at the all you can eat buffet.

EricN said:

I'm doing something wrong because I couldn't even get a burst of flowers to be effective enough

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Maybe I am using longer lenses for near macro, like the RF 100-400mm at 0.4x at about a metre/yard, it's easier. For flowers, I wouldn't use a burst but focus on the nearest part, take a shot, then turn through a small angle top something further away, and then a few more. The slight changes in angle have little adverse effect usually.

A high res R3 Mk2 is an interesting proposition. However, if true I would hypothesize that Canon might make the R3 Mk2 dual CFE Type B slots. Maybe even v. 4? We shall see and I did not expect this camera to be released.

roby17269 said:

A high res R3 II would make some sense to me - and it could be something I'd consider buying... depending on the whole package.
A global shutter R3 II would make less sense to me since it could be faster than the R1 which would "threaten" its "sport flagship" status.

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The main selling point of the R1 is speed + high iso image quality combined, not speed alone

A high res R3 II would make some sense to me - and it could be something I'd consider buying... depending on the whole package.
A global shutter R3 II would make less sense to me since it could be faster than the R1 which would "threaten" its "sport flagship" status.