Ozarker said:

No. Olympus bodies are made by sadists for exclusive use by masochists and the masochist curious. The price, in this case, is so one will enjoy the pain more. I have an Olympus, but I get to watch if you wish to use it.

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No, no, no!
This is untrue! You slander the Olympus.
You just need a small child, or a very small size adult, to operate the Olympus and its tiny controls.
My wife could, but prefers using her Iphone, and the Olympus collects thick dust.

Anyway, at some point 33MP R1m2 must be born.

Tomba said:

Then I would start with R6III because of the RF 28-70mm f2.8 IS STM. And the RF 16-28mm f2.8 IS STM. And may be add RF 45mm f1.2 STM later.
I own none of these lenses but would start like this. No need for 3rd party.

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Besides budget there's sheer availability as another reason for 3rd party lenses. Think 35-150mm F/2-2.8, or 200mm F/2.

neuroanatomist said:

I think that's the value – very similar specs and features, much lower price tag. Almost the definition of a good value.

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The standout features are it's build, ruggedness, integrated grip / sports orientated ergonomics and buffer size. As you said it's increadible value vs the current R1. There was a time when I seriously considered an R3 to sit alongside my R6ii. I chose an R5 instead because of my my current shooting needs, I'd rather add a high megapixel option to my arsenal than a stacked sensor.
I agree with others (it's wishful thinking) that when the R3 has stopped selling well and Canon don't want to discount it any further, moving the R3 into R5 resolution territory makes sense from a line up point of view. The question is how much? It would cost a LOT more than the current R5ii, for what is essentially a R5ii in a Rx Series body shape. Would there be many photographers who would pay a 30% premium over the current R5ii? Probably not.
I suspect that if Canon is developing a R3ii, then the current R6iii would indicate sensor resolution. 33mp seems to be the new 24mp.

P-visie said:

Sue them!

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I will!
(Unfortunately, surgery didn't cost me a cent.)
If only I lived in the USA, I could make a fortune with help by an "ambulance hunter", after having spent it on hospital costs...

roby17269 said:

Does it though? Apart from being a gripped body at lower price than the R1, what value is offered by the R3 at its current price point?
Honest question.

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Perfect ergonomics, ruggedness, reliability, excellent weather sealing. For large hands and heavy lenses, an ideal and "inexpensive" camera if you don't need high MPs.
Grey market price is around Euro3400. For those who don't really need the R1's additional features, a very good value!

Bob Howland said:

Is the OM1 a "real professional camera"? It only costs $2000-2400 and is about the same size as the R7, with a slightly smaller sensor.

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If you ask 10 people what makes a camera "a professional one," I am sure you will get 10 different answers. I have been using Olympus, now OM System cameras alongside Canon cameras since 2014, and the OM-1 since it's release. I have always hoped that Canon would come out with a comparable camera in a similar price range, but the Olympus (now OM System) cameras have always been better, in my opinion and experience. In terms of build quality and weather sealing, I believe the OM-1 is top rated. It has most, if not all, of the 'bells and whistles" of the top of the line cameras, like in-camera focus stacking, pre-capture (with more customizable variables than canon, and they have had it since 2016), and excellent IBIS. Over the years I have bought (or tried) the Canon R5, Canon R6, Canon R6 II, Canon R7, and sold or returned them all. The Om-1 has always been my camera of choice compared to all of them. I have mostly shot birds and wildlife and landscapes. Obviously, just one person's opinion.

snapshot said:

looks like R63. same stuff, same price. a new comer will likely decide based on lenses.

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Then I would start with R6III because of the RF 28-70mm f2.8 IS STM. And the RF 16-28mm f2.8 IS STM. And may be add RF 45mm f1.2 STM later.
I own none of these lenses but would start like this. No need for 3rd party.

roby17269 said:

I know what you mean! I use a 80mp MF digital back and I have my eyes on the X2D II 100c... so I'll be ok if Canon does not release anything that would tickle my fancy for a while

But it is a bit unfair to compare FF cameras to a MF camera. Very different beasts

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In principle, yes, they are different beasts - but Fuji has come very close to FF cameras performance with their latest GFX offerings. I mean, you have a very decent AF with subject recognition, you can shoot 8 fps at 100 mpix resolution, the EVF is probably best on the whole market, the body size, weight and layout are very similar to FF cameras and the lens lineup goes up to 500mm.

500! On a medium format! And you can throw on an extender as well!

Then there's the video segment with very competitive specs, including internal 8K, ProResHQ, various codecs and log profiles and uncompressed 12 bit external, along with some very unique features such as supporting use of anamorphic lenses with live-preview desqueeze. All of that on a large medium format sensor!

Obviously, it's not going to compete in speed with the current likes of Canon, Sony or Nikon, but performance wise it's better than Canon 5DmkIV. Let's not forget that that camera had 7 fps and was and still is a workhorse of many, many pro photographers.

So, while comparing FF with let's say PhaseOne is really pointless, comparing GFX with FF is actually pretty appropriate.

DhlcadR6 said:

Cheaper 3rd parties with 15fps handicap. I rather adapt EF or native RF with R6iii 40fps.

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Many would just need 1fps; 15fps may already be overkill

Hopefully the A7IV's will start to flood the used market with some nice low prices

roby17269 said:

Does it though? Apart from being a gripped body at lower price than the R1, what value is offered by the R3 at its current price point?
Honest question.

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I think that's the value – very similar specs and features, much lower price tag. Almost the definition of a good value.

DSB said:

I've given up the hopes of a high res Canon camera and took the plunge into GFX system. And I have to say - zero regrets. The GFX 100II with those 16 bit raw files is delicious! I kept my whole Canon set and I still do use it for anything action-wise (sports, events, animals) but I have to say, even if Canon came out with a 65 mpix camera now, I don't think I'd be interested. The 100 mpix files from Fuji are incredible and a joy to work with.

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I know what you mean! I use a 80mp MF digital back and I have my eyes on the X2D II 100c... so I'll be ok if Canon does not release anything that would tickle my fancy for a while

But it is a bit unfair to compare FF cameras to a MF camera. Very different beasts

Del Paso said:

The R3 offer fantastic value for little money! I hope it stays!

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Does it though? Apart from being a gripped body at lower price than the R1, what value is offered by the R3 at its current price point?
Honest question.

I've given up the hopes of a high res Canon camera and took the plunge into GFX system. And I have to say - zero regrets. The GFX 100II with those 16 bit raw files is delicious! I kept my whole Canon set and I still do use it for anything action-wise (sports, events, animals) but I have to say, even if Canon came out with a 65 mpix camera now, I don't think I'd be interested. The 100 mpix files from Fuji are incredible and a joy to work with.

Bob Howland said:

Is the OM1 a "real professional camera"? It only costs $2000-2400 and is about the same size as the R7, with a slightly smaller sensor.

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No. Olympus bodies are made by sadists for exclusive use by masochists and the masochist curious. The price, in this case, is so one will enjoy the pain more. I have an Olympus, but I get to watch if you wish to use it.

Maximilian said:

This will be an R100 successor, for sure.
Don't you think so @Canon Rumors @Richard CR ?

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A perfect camera doesn't need a successor!

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The R3 launched at close to the R1 price, drifted down over the later years to sit just above the R5II. I suspect the R3 remains in the lineup solely to provide a lower-cost option to the R1, just as the long-in-the-tooth EOS RP remains 'current' as a lower-cost option to the R8. I'm with CRguy on this, I can't see where they would put an R3II, unless they launched it at a price very close to the current R3 (which I don't see happening). Maybe if they take the line downmarket, I just don't see that as being likely.

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The R3 offer fantastic value for little money! I hope it stays!

neuroanatomist said:

It's good to have dreams. Personally, I suspect if we do see a high MP camera from Canon then it will be in the 5-series form factor (like the last time).

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Nice to see the voice of reason is back! Welcome "home"!

Del Paso said:

Could it be that my carpal tunnel syndrome was caused by having owned a Sony A7* for 2 weeks?

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Sue them!

The only thing I'd be genuinely interested in is a high-res (50-65MPx) version of the R1. Same quality level of the viewfinder, same build quality and form factor, same features, just a higher res sensor and lower FPS burst rate. I'd probably use it instead of my R1 for most situations, reserving the R1 only for action sports and low light.

I doubt the wifi 6 status will mean the same thing in coming cameras. The networking world is on to wifi 7, so wifi 6...ax is no longer the bees knees. Another note, though: the multi-band versions of wifi can take more power (some efficiency features make this complicated though).

I think Neuro is right that Canon is unlikely to stick a high-res sensor in a gripped body (because), but that doesn't mean that a new camera can't be a high-res one. Of all the products on the photo side to flesh out, that's the obvious one to me in terms of being an non-optimally-addressed market.

R5 S

SereneSpeed said:

Just because I like to dream…

What about an R3 with a high-res sensor? Not the absolute strongest build or cutting edge technology, but balanced high-end specs, below the R1 (in spec and weight), with resolution above the R1.

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It's good to have dreams. Personally, I suspect if we do see a high MP camera from Canon then it will be in the 5-series form factor (like the last time).

Canon Rumors said:

My hands are cramping just looking it at it.

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Could it be that my carpal tunnel syndrome was caused by having owned a Sony A7* for 2 weeks?