DocInfoSci said:

I mean, I get what's being said — but that stated, all contemporary bodies only seem to supercharge EF lenses (at least the USM varieties)...I tell everyone with a serious EF stable to go get a modern body.

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I shot with the EF 100-400mm L mkii on the 6dii and the AF struggled with slightly higher aperture. I later used it on the EOS R and it worked flawlessly even down to f22. So yeah, I agree with the sentiment. In my experience the same can be said about the EF 16-35mm F4 L, 70-300mm and EF 70-200mm F4 L. Those are the only lenses with which I had a direct comparison. (rented the 6dii for testing it before deciding to purchase the EOS R instead).

ScreensMatter said:

I hope you are right in that the R8 will become cheap. I had totally forgot the MSRP on lunch for the RP was $1299 body-only. The RP had fallen a lot in price before the R8 launch so the $1499 MSRP made think of it as a tier above and not so much a replacement.

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In Germany, the MSRP on launch day for the R8 was 1.799 €. Last November, it was on sale for 999 € on Black Friday (actually for over two weeks) and this was recently repeated with the added gift of a second spare battery and a 128 GB SD card which that cheap anymore. I believe the camera could hit 800-900 € price point but probably not less in the next two years. The RP had so much less to offer which made it slip in price.

I think it's sad to see any affordable camera leave the stable, but with newer bodies coming in I assume that pricing will eventually correct.

I do have to laugh at this, though:

"We still recommend it to EF shooters who want a full-frame mirrorless camera but have no intentions of replacing all of their EF glass with RF."

I mean, I get what's being said — but that stated, all contemporary bodies only seem to supercharge EF lenses (at least the USM varieties); and with full electronic shutter shooting the slower aperture blades don't hold anything back. I tell everyone with a serious EF stable to go get a modern body.

Exploreshootshare said:

The replacement ist called R8. It is not quite in the same spot concerning the price, but it is getting and also it far more capable. The RP will be available for months, the price of the R8 will drop even further once the R8mkii is released.

R8 is also a super convenient and easy recommendation.

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I hope you are right in that the R8 will become cheap. I had totally forgot the MSRP on lunch for the RP was $1299 body-only. The RP had fallen a lot in price before the R8 launch so the $1499 MSRP made think of it as a tier above and not so much a replacement.

ScreensMatter said:

I dearly hope that they will release a new model to replace it. It has been such an easy recommendation for anyone wanting to pick up a first camera. Buy it new on promotion or used from a camera store that offers some time of warranty. Good enough for everything except maybe sports or birds in flight.

There is a room for a very cheap FF camera.

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The replacement is called R8. It is not quite in the same spot concerning the price, but it is getting there and it is also far more capable. The RP will be available for months, the price of the R8 will drop even further once the R8mkii is released.

R8 is also a super convenient and easy recommendation.

Brown said:

The f/1.8

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I really like that little RF 50mm f/1.8 lens.

I skipped both the EOS R and EOS RP while I waited for what would turn out to be the EOS R5 just over a year later. However, I have recommended it a lot over the years as an affordable option that will produce great results for photographers.

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I also skipped the R and RP and moved from 5D3 to the R5. I planned to skip the 5DIV, but was unconvinced by the R, so waited for R5. Had planned on keeping the 5D3 as second body, but after tasting mirrorless AF, I sold the 5D3 + EF 24-105 f/4 kit for just enough to get a used R. The R turned out to be an awesome camera! Yeah, the R5 is much better in some aspects, but the R is fantastic camera. I ended up buying an RP as well (on a refurb sale) and used it for a light travel kit. It has plenty of compromises, but for FF stills on a budget it is a great option and can use adapted EF lenses with much improved AF, especially third-party lenses.

It is a bit sad to see the budget FF option discontinued, but if that means the R8 will fill that slot, perhaps dropping to the $800 range, afte the R8 II is launched, then it is a very welcome evolution. The RP is an excelent option for budget FF, but at this point with many compromises relative to newer RF cameras. The R8 has much fewer compromises and it would be great to see it stick around as the budget option for many years.

I´d guess Canon would/ will release it as a RF 80mm F1.2 in order to differentiate between the expensive L version just like they did with the 45mm F1.2.
Imo, it's great Canon has these optics. I still want to thoroughly test the 45mm F1.2, but I hadn't had the chance yet.

riker said:

I believe I did, since the comment is under my name

Anyhow, I'm pretty open to your post showing stats of your photos, there are a couple of software generating such. Unless you shoot some special field most of the time.

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It's a common phrase and was meant in good humour.

I have no means of using such software, I have no computer and 99% of my photos are on memory cards or archived on old backup hard drives. But I don't need stats to know; I don't use my camera to photograph people or places, wide and standard angle shots are exceeedingly rare* (I use my phone for that). By far the commonest zoom I would mount now is the 100-400 and I use it most at 400. More often, I just take the 800 and maybe an extender on a trip. I'm very unusual in my choices no doubt, which is why generalising from my experience is anathema.

*I do one very niche kind of product photography for which I lazily use the 35mm in crop mode because it's easier to handle casually than my macro lenses, but this is the one standout exception to the above.

I dearly hope that they will release a new model to replace it. It has been such an easy recommendation for anyone wanting to pick up a first camera. Buy it new on promotion or used from a camera store that offers some time of warranty. Good enough for everything except maybe sports or birds in flight.

There is a room for a very cheap FF camera.

Canon Rumors said:

One of Canon's latest patent applications is geared toward weight and cost savings with a composite lens element design. The design is basically a “sandwich” with a glass element between two thinner resin elements bonded on each side.

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This sounds closer to a replica aspherical element than a PMo aspherical element. PMo aspherical is all resin, replica aspherical is an aspherical resin bonded to a spherical glass element.

scyrene said:

Speak for yourself

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I believe I did, since the comment is under my name

Anyhow, I'm pretty open to your post showing stats of your photos, there are a couple of software generating such. Unless you shoot some special field most of the time.

Regarding the moulded resin lens element, I think that it's more than a marketing issue. I have the 45 f/1.2 and I also have the EF 50/1.2L. While the 45 is a fast, budget-friendly lens with pretty good sharpness, the old EF 50/1.2L does a better job with the smoothness of the bokeh as well as having better control (at least my copy of each does) of chromatic aberration and separation of colors in highlights outside of the plane of focus.

muentzer said:

We already have an 1.2/85 L USM, 1.2/85L USM DS, 1.4/85L VCM, and a 2.0/85 Macro IS STM. I don't think another 85' would make any sense.

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Same situation as with Canon's 50mm section: The might just call it a 80mm/1.2 STM and be there. Especially if you look at the real focal length in the cited patents.

We already have an 1.2/85 L USM, 1.2/85L USM DS, 1.4/85L VCM, and a 2.0/85 Macro IS STM. I don't think another 85' would make any sense.

My main hesitation with the current 85mm f2 is the af speed, so i rather have them make a smaller faster focusing 85mm f2 than slow focusing 85mm f1.2, but maby that is just me?

My RF 28 2.8 is amazingly sharp and good optically, so i don't care if the lens elements are made from cheese.

You mention there is a PMo element in the RF 50mm f/1.4. Is that a typo, cause underneath you said no L lenses use a PMo element?

Steve_FR said:

Interesting! There is no RF 50mm f/1.4 lens from Canon though, unless you meant the RF 50mm f/1.4L VCM? But you said no L series lenses have PMO optics. Which lens were you referring to?

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The f/1.8

P-visie said:

That is not hope, the Mannschaft just followed Gary Lineker’s definition of football: “Football is a simple game. Twenty-two men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans always win”.
See: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/gary_lineker_422219

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Nice to see the quote actually has meaning again. It didn't work for the team in 2018 and 2022