Kit Lens Jockey said:

Ok now can we talk about how this measurement shows that the camera has slightly better dynamic range at ISO 50 vs 100? How is that?

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Maybe stronger noise reduction at iso 50? Seems strange to me too.

Do a low level format on the SD card. They slow down to a crawl after a lot of usage and a regular format does not bring them to rated speed or even close.

BeenThere said:

Another question about R5 IBIS behavior. When using mode 3 IS on EF telephoto lenses, is IBIS turned on at the instant of the shot (like IS), or, is it always on?

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I am not able to choose the IS option in the menu. The IS On/Off is controlled via the lens IS switch.
I've tried the 100-400L with 1.4x TC with both EOS R and R5 and found the R5 is more stable, at least in the view finder. Not sure if subjective. And I do see the IS icon in the screen. So I don't know if IBIS kicked in.

I shoot with Mode 1 for the BIF. Attached an example with 1.4x TC. I can see the view finder is more vibrate with my handheld with mode 3. Probably can do some try with mode 3 for the BIF later.

koenkooi said:

Why are you shouting?

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its not your business

It's weird... up until a few weeks ago, everybody shot 1080p (at least all the big name Youtubers) because 4K was too big and difficult to edit. People just wanted full frame 4K on the Canon... and now they have it... normal 4K doesn't overheat on the R5 at all, and it's full frame and though not as sharp as HQ mode, it's still better than 4K on the EOS-R.

The new modes, like 4K60/120 and 8K overheat, as does the super HQ oversampled mode... these are things that didn't exist in full frame before for the most part except for the new (and expensive) 20 MP 1DX3. XT4 overheats in 4K 60 after 14 minutes and that's a small sensor. All of Sony's cameras to date overheat in 4K (Daniel Schiffer announced last week his A7III overheats in 4K30 after about 20 mins). Sony A7SIII was just announced and it has heat issues, but much better than anything before... and that wont be out for 2 months, and it's a crippled 12 MP camera.

I think people have been given an inch and are taking a mile here.

But with that said, many are not having heat issues in the real world (ie, not sitting the camera in the sun and letting it run nonstop to test it out, or filiming 8k on movie sets like Armando Ferrera). DSI PICTURES has a great Youtube channel, he filmed "all day long" in 8K raw and had no overheat issues- the overheat icon didn't even pop up once! And he wasn't shooting in the arctic, but rather in Australia, where daily temps are about 15-20c (normal room temps, or a nice day here in Canada).

Anybody who wants to shoot uninterupted 8K for hours, you will have problems. People who need to shoot 4K 120 for more than 30 mins nonstop, I think you may need to rethink how you shoot (that's 2 hours of super slomo).

I think 99% of the issue is the whole "Sony vs Canon" crap. The Sony people were really butthurt this year when the R5 was announced. I know at least a dozen who were ready to sell all their gear and get an R5 because "Sony was stagnant and letting us down".

Then the A7SIII was rumoured, and the Sony hype machine (ie, Youtubers like Gerald Undumb and 10000 Sony Ambassadors who only care about video and vlogging) set into action and the war rages on.

I would love to see a firmware to maybe double the heat limits (Sony does this in their cameras like the A7SIII, it increases the temp at which the camera shuts down but at risk of lockups or file corruption (Dan Watson had this happen to him on the A7SIII)). But I would more like to see that 30 min record limit removed (I thought after 2019 that wasn't necessary?), and even more than that I hope they follow thru with the promise to add 1080-120 (how did they not include that?!) and Clog3 in the next firmware.

cayenne said:

Thanks for all the great input here!!

So, the 70-200 f/2.8 II lens, wouldn't need to have stabilization turned off when on a tripod...for still or video?

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I did a video job last year with the 70-200 f2.8 II where I had to extend my tripod up very high to clear a wall that I had to shoot over. The tripod was also on a platform that flexed somewhat. Without having the IS in the lens on, the video would have been a shaky mess, even though it was on a tripod. I left IS on, and the video turned out very good with no noticeable shake. I normally turn off the IS on all of my lenses when taking long exposure stills on a tripod though. But, it's possible it might be ok if you don't. If in doubt, test it. One time I had the first gen Tamron 24-70 f2.8 most definitely cause tripod long exposures to be blurry with the IS on, so I've just always turned it off on my lenses during long exposures ever since.

After some early indications that the banding that plagued the R when using the electronic shutter under artificial lighting was much better with the R5, I decided to try to forego the mechanical shutter entirely and just use the electronic shutter.

Well, it seems that the R5 might have some barely noticeable banding under some artificial light sources with the electronic shutter. The banding I saw was really only noticeable if you took multiple photos of the same thing and then scrolled through them in the playback view. You can see a very slight brightness difference in part of the photos from one photo to the next. The banding seems to be very very wide, like think half the frame wide. So it's not so much banding as much as it is part of the photo is just slightly brighter than the other part. And the actual amount of difference between the light and dark parts of the "banding" is very minor. The reason I'm describing it instead of posting an example is that I can't really point out any area of the photo that actually shows the banding. So, overall this is pretty promising.

I'm interested to hear others' experiences with using the electronic shutter under artificial lights.

Mt Spokane Photography said:

There is a firmware upgrade to the R and TP for the new lenses. That will likely fix any issues.

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worked great. Upgraded this a.m. must hide from wife.

Quackator said:

The point is that you never had to be anxious about not
overheating in the middle of a shoot when using standard
modes with Canon cameras before.

And you certainly never had to wait for so long if indeed
you did run into overheating problems.

I have shot theatre plays of two hours length with multiple
5D class cameras, with only a few frames lost every 29:59min.

Impossible with the R5.

So yes, no matter how much denial amasses on this forum,
the R5/R6 are a big step backwards in regard to their video
usability - in real world environments, in professional use.

They are great stills cameras, nonetheless.

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There were many documented cases where productions using 5D Mark II bodies rotated three or more bodies in practice to avoid heating issues. To say that this is the first time anyone had to worry about a Canon camera overheating during video shooting is disingenuous.

ahsanford said:

The blue part above is the slippery slope. If R7 is a mirrorless 7D3 and that is all they offer with R mount + APS-C, they can (as others have said here) get away with just 2-3 crop RF lenses -- an ultrawide zoom a la EF-M 11-22, standard zoom a la EF-M 15-45 or 18-55, etc.

But they minute they cross over into the bigger / wider use-case / more varied userbases of general crop shooters (even at the 90D price point), there will be pressure to offer a proper line of crop-only RF glass -- they'll want small telephoto zooms, 60mm 1:1 macro, pancakes, etc. That's tantamount to double/triple dipping on EF-S and EF-M, and I think Canon would only go there if they intended to get rid of EF-S altogether. They will certainly eventually get to that point, but it may not be that soon. Crop SLRs still make Canon a ton of money, don't they?

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People buy 7Ds for using with big telephoto lens not wide angle but could use a speed booster adapter to use existing wide angle EF lens

Kit Lens Jockey said:

Anybody else gotten an R5 yet and noticed a very noticeable clunk or rattle when the camera is moved or shaken when the camera is off? It's much less noticeable when the camera is on. I assume it's related to the IBIS. But wow, that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. Sounds like something is just loose inside the camera. Does not seem to be any different if I turn off the IBIS and then turn off the camera.

Otherwise very happy with the camera after just playing around with it for a few minutes. But that rattle will take some getting used to.

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TESTED MINE HERE IN NYC TODAY AND HEARD AND FELT THE SHAKE/RATTLE
yess is kinda freaks me out but i have baby'ed the camera since i got it THURS AM and used an adapted 50mm stm lens and old 24-70 F2.8 EF lens and now today used my new RF 24-70 F2.8 lens with IS on street bball testing the SERVO AF had more keeper then i could remember shooting bball before
but that SHAKE/RATTLE IS IT REALLY NORMAL

This is the IBIS. Its well known by now, all the early reviews mentioned it and several new threads on CR have been started. Read up. Canon has said its normal.

The last time I had to use DPP is with the launch of the 5D4, and I#ve sworn I will do anything to not have to use it anymore. Maybe my R5 being delayed is a blessing in disguise and C1 will have support by then.

Oh yes, please let us know if you get different results. That's an interesting feature.

Sharlin said:

I mean, you can’t do an in-depth review in Chris&Jordan’s format, about fifteen minutes worth of video. And that’s not the point either. People who have spent six months absorbing every tidbit about a camera are very unlikely to learn anything particularly new, but those are not the key intended audience either.

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You could certainly cover some more details without much extra effort or time. I personally think they could ditch the 'comedy' from their videos.. don't find it funny or entertaining at all.. that would free up some time... but hey, that's just my opinion

But especially for wide angle astro you usually want some piece of landscape in the frame, and often in the foreground. So there is a disadvantage in loosing focus ability.

Fronterra said:

Received mine yesterday and have tried registering it on the Canon CPS website only to get an error message saying the Product name is invalid.
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So. Go out and play with your new toy and register it later. First world problems...

That's odd. I was able to hit my brick and mortar at opening time (a few minutes later--damn road construction!) and pick up one of two units that branch received (it's a chain of about a dozen stores in two states). I got it because I put a deposit down in mid June.

SteveC said:

Sony is useful for keeping Canon on its toes, but personally, I will never own any product of theirs ever again, and I'd love to see them go bankrupt (but first be replaced by someone else who can keep Canon on its toes).

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I wish Nikon made their own sensors. I think they could be that competitor. Their innovations got pretty boring when they got into Sony sensors, most of their leading tech is just the sensor and now they are not leading.

bbb34 said:

That would be funny - if it wasn't true.

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Well, technically you are free to burn any firmware you wish onto that camera hardware.

If you were to clean room figure out the hardware and come out with your own firmware for it, you should be legally able to develop, use and even sell this new firmware to others.

Much like how cars have their firmware or even whole chip sets for controlling the engines you can buy from 3rd parties.

Just to be pedantic.



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I’m dying to get a rumored release date for an RF 35mm L
I just switched to the RF 35mm 1.8 from adapting the EF 35mm 1.4L ii so I could finally have an all native RF kit and.. the 1.8 is great. It’s small. Sharp enough. But I need an L! F1.2 please!

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padam said:

Maybe Tamron needs to do a firmware update on their lenses for Canon IBIS compatibility.

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I think so as well. The IBIS is pretty amazing with the Sigma 50 art. It would be much better if I could use it with my tamron lenses as well.

AlanF said:

If you want perfection for $4000, you won't find it. If you want 5DS-like resolution, 7DII speed and Sony dynamic range, it's been available for 3 years and called a Nikon D850 (plus grip). It should be available now and called the Canon 5DV, which is what is narking some of us.

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Hit the nail on the head.

Antono Refa said:

The C300 doesn't have 8K.

I wouldn't rule out Canon testing the 8K sensor in the R5 prior to using it in a cinema camera.

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8K doesnt make a stills camera better the a didicated cinema camera. People are just way to fixated on a bloated data format its unbelievable.