Canon’s Retro Camera is Coming as the EOS R8 Mark II
- By Eric84
- EOS Bodies
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Just hoping that the retro-styling isn't the only thing thats different from todays-version 
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Makes sense, I suspected it was something to do with ergonomics.Perhaps. My chief complaint about the RF 100-300/2.8 is its length, and some rough measurements on Nikon’s published image of their new lens suggest it’s at least 2-4 cm longer than the RF lens. No idea of the internal design, but Canon didn't leave room at the back for a drop-in filter slot, so Nikon's lens needing to be a little longer to accommodate the 1.4x flipping in seems reasonable. As it is, the R1 + 100-300/2.8 is a very tight squeeze in bags that are of a size reasonable for me to carry around and into venues, so a lens that's >2 cm longer would mean a bag I wouldn't want to carry, or having the body and lens separate in the bag (which I definitely don't want).
For my use cases with the lens, it's either indoors in relatively poor light (by far my most frequent use case) or outdoors in somewhat better light, meaning I either don’t need the 1.4x on the lens or I do. In the 3 years that I've had the lens, I've never put on or taken off the 1.4x TC while using the lens during an event, so I don't believe that I would benefit from a switchable 1.4x.
Fingers crossed those patents do indeed materializeTo be clear, this is for my own needs. In general, I think it’s great that Nikon is putting switchable TCs in their lenses. I’m encouraged that Canon has filed patents on a 600/4 + 1.4x (and a 400/2.8 + 1.4x and 300/2.8 + 1.4x) last year, and the earlier (2022) filing of patents for a similar 600/4 + 1.4x (and a 400/4 DO + 1.4x) suggests they’re serious about it.
Is that an assumotion on your part or a documented fact? I thought it was a linear scale not a log scale.
Is a MFT score of 1.0 just the current top value on the chart. 1.1 is another value thats just over the current scale and would require a longer chart that goes over 1.0. There are sensors (on other camera brands) that are already resolving detail over 1.1 on a MFT 50 lpm chart.
If you check out this site here:
The X-H2 is scoring a sensor resolution value of 106 (1.06) and the GH6 gets a score of 111 (1.11). Both are over the nominal 1.0 top value on a lot of lens MFT charts.![]()
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It’s always a bit surprising to me how much criticism the Canon EOS R5 Mark II receives. These cameras are remarkable feats of engineering, and every design is a compromise. There’s only so much capability you can fit into an R5-sized body before something has to give. As a general-purpose, “one camera does everything well” tool, the R5 II is outstanding. Having recently upgraded from the Canon EOS 5D (purchased when it first came out), I’ve been very pleased with mine.
That said, I’m not the target customer for an R5 III.
If Canon follows the same path as before, the R5 III will likely be a Pareto refinement, slightly better in every spec, but fundamentally the same kind of camera. And for many users, that’s exactly right. But for some of us, the R5 II is already overbuilt in areas we don’t need (30 fps, advanced video), while still not fully optimized for what we care about most.
Personally, I’d trade some of that versatility for a more specialized tool.
The camera I would buy tomorrow (and which Canon might be able to introduce soon) would look similar to the R5, but with a different set of priorities. In particular:
To make that work within a similar form factor, I would happily trade:
- a meaningful jump in resolution (80+ MP)
- a higher-end EVF closer to the Canon EOS R1
In other words, a stills-first camera designed for maximum detail, tonality, and rendering. Something aimed at landscape, fine art, studio, real estate, and large-format print work. Photography where ultimate image quality matters more than speed or hybrid capability.
- reduced burst rate (10–12 fps is more than enough)
- most or all video features
Canon currently has speed-first bodies (R1/R3) and highly capable generalists (R5 II), but no dedicated image-quality-first camera. This would fill that gap.
Call it an R5S, an R4, or something else entirely. I suspect there’s a meaningful audience for a body that prioritizes image quality over versatility.
The R5 II is an outstanding generalist, and I’m sure the R5 III will be even better. I just think there’s room alongside it for a true image quality specialist.
Are you sure about this ? It’s the first time I’ve heard it stated as a matter of fact.
I’ve only ever read rather woolly statements regarding how it must be to protect highlights, though when you think how much brighter the highlights can be over the rest of the image one third stop seems like naff all.
Have you a reliable source you can share regarding this ?
I think we are not talking about the same issue, and I should have been more precise. I should have written that I always compared the 7D cameras with the D5X cameras, beginning with the 5D3 (I had the 5D3 and 4, and the 7D1 and 2). Only this makes sense, and of course the AF sensor of the FF DSLRs were bigger and could collect more photons (I am a physicist, I know what you mean). Comparing the AF systems of DSLRs (shooting with OVF) and ML cameras is like comparing apples with peas. Sorry, Michael, I should have been a bit more precise here. Have always good light![]()
while I am looking at landscape.. I also do a fair bit of low light band shots and looking to do more inside.. so wanting the 2.8.. even that can be a challenge, hence the 20mm 1.4... but yep that weightLandscapes are often stopped down, in which case there will be little if any IQ difference. Mostly it will come down to focal range (more is usually better), weight (the 16-28 is a lot lighter) and cost (the 16-28 is about half the cost.
If the 15-35/2.8 is in your budget, have you considered the 10-20/4?
What I was getting at is that a lens of MTF 0.75 will give a sharp image under certain conditions, but a lens of MTF 1.0 will give you a sharp image under more extreme conditions. If it's a telephoto lens, it will resolve as well 30% further away.Sorry Alan....I was messaging another chap, over on Whatsapp called Frank at the same time as i was writing my forum reply here and for some reason my brain got the two names mixed, I am so sorry.
Canon's lens MFT charts are measuring lens optical resolution at 30 lpm and contrast at 10 lpm. Optyczne's sensor tests are measuring 50 lpm, which is similar to what some other lens brands have used in the past to determin their Lens optical MFT charts. However, the two approaches do align to some degree and hold merit, but there needs to be adjustments between the two scales. As they currently stand, they are a reasonable approximation between sensor and lens sharpness testing.
Currently is guesswork. the space between focus points and the number of images...it would be nice for the camera to do the math for us.A feature that I would love to see but I've never even seen it brought up before would be: Focus stacking where you could focus close, mark it, (push a button?) focus far, mark it and then have the camera calculate the required focus points between and shoot them.
I would also like to see a built in flash on the R8 II. I've used it a few times with my 90D and M50 II for butterflies to fill in the light.Yes the size of the R8 is a massive advantage. Thats also ironically why Id love to see a built in flash.
Paired with the 28mm and a 50mm, there would be no lens shadow, and you don't need to bring a flash when travelling light. Its a real shame that you can buy the best full frame cameras but if you want a built in flash, you always need the aps-c. It makes little sense to me. If Im using a big lens, I will pack a big flash.





got reply but several Camera and Lens does not give me option to delete. 70-200 and the two 7D Mark IIgang, I got notice today that My EF 24-105 F4 and EF 870-200 II are being unsupported at the end of the month. (May/June) Anyone else get notice? Also, I no Longer have these lens and can someone point me on How to drop them from my Canon hardware list? I know it may affect my CPS classification.
Not sure why you would think so, but I really doubt that’s the case. The concepts of signal to noise and lens design don’t depend on whether you are handholding or using a tripod. One of the points about shooting with a long lens in “low light“ is that often happens at light levels that would not normally be considered limiting, but when one needs a 1/2000 s shutter speed for a bird in flight, the amount of light reaching the sensor is low, even though to your eyes there is plenty of light.I suspect that many of the posts have not been made with full understanding of my preference for
HandHeld.
Garbage in, garbage out.With some content creators it will be hard to tell if the hallucinating is from the original video or from the AI model creating the transcript.
All the reviews on the Nikon Z 600mm f/6.3 PF (DO) lens say how good its bokeh is. Here are the first 4 I checked.Hi dear,
I like it (f4) but accept F5.6 but no fressnel or DO.. I need best L optic with perfect bokeh.. Otherwise it is useless to have prime,