Lets see if it worth US$200...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fld5_x-Yk0o

ethanz said:

Orangutan said:

Jack Douglas said:

Oh, I get it, it's like a caste system.

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Yes, and when you move to your "next body" you'll have a chance to advance to a higher caste.

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I need to work at it then, I'm such a lowly noob at 7D2.

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Don't you speak lowly of my cherished 7D2 ;D

Don't we all love the humour and banter in CR...

Wiebe.

wannashoot said:

What body camera and lenses did you use ?

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I usually use a Canon 5DMII or 7DMII but I took these pictures with a Fujifilm X-T10 + the XF 18-55 kit lens.

Canon has more patents for long telephoto lenses than Sony by far, so if its a race to have more patents, then Canon has already won. A tiny fraction of patents actually become products, its a sucker bet to if you bet on a patent to become a product.

The first shot is gorgeous

Thanks CR Guy, that was a satisfyingly quick response. Having the choice is great, this thread reveals that members have many different ways and priorities as to how they use the site. I suspect everyone's happy now!

-pw

I had the 70-200 2.8 II IS and I sold it. Too heavy to carry it often. Even if it is a great lense. Now I plan to buy the f4 version, hoping it is good enough (i mainly have primes and like their IQ).

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Talys said:

Meanwhile, in the real world, the $750 M50 has a better way, way better EVF than Sony's last-generation flagship, the A7RII. It's almost as good as Sony's A7III EVF (which is a step down from A9/A7R3), in a body that's nearly a third the price of that.

But hey, if the blurry zoom-up image says its better and it has more micro-nano-milli-pixels, Sony must be innovative... RIGHT??

I will continue to chuckle at all sentences that start with, "Given how far and fast EVFs are progressing..." when an EVF can fool me into thinking that it's an OVF, because after all, the gold standard to recreating what you should see is what you actually see

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If I could cherry pick all the best features of all the Canon bodies into one then I would agree with your argument. Problem is, Sony is combining more of these features into more of their bodies at the same time. EVF, focusing (coverage and eye auto), DR, noise handling, speed, video, etc., etc. Canon would need to combine the features of 3-4 bodies (1dMII, 5DSR, M50, 5DMIV) to make a compelling and differentiated camera at this point. I don't see that happening, but maybe I will be surprised!

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I don't see that happening in the short term, either, but then again, I don't really want a Canon A7R3.

I hear you about cherry picking the Canon features to build a super-camera, but to be fair, you want an enthusiast mirrorless, and Canon hasn't ever built an enthusiast/semi-pro/pro mirrorless -- a mirrorless equivalent targeted to at least 80D equivalency. It just doesn't exist.

When it does, one would expect it to have at least all of the features of the M5/M50 (duh), and most of the features of the 5DMark IV, with comparable autofocus speeds of a 5DMark IV in live view mode. I think that's a reasonable expectation.

There are some things I think will be better than Sony. For example, Eye AF on the Canon M50 is way better than Eye AF on the Sony A7R3. On the M50, it just magically works if you have it enabled; on the A7R3, you must press a second "detect the eye" button to engage it. And, obvoiusly, dual pixel autofocus is the gold standard for autofocus without a AF sensor. I suspect ergonomics, particularly for larger lenses, will be better.

There are some things I expect to be worse than Sony. For example, I would be genuinely surprised if there were more dynamic range. The video capabilities on the Sony may remain superior from a casual-use 4k perspective. The Sony will probably be a smaller camera and still be a superior full frame travel camera, as Canon will leave that for its APSC offerings. I would be (pleasantly) surprised if Canon embraced a dual slot UHS-II/UHS-I.

Vorlon technology at last!

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Don Haines said:

Mt Spokane Photography said:

Don, clear the cookies out of your browser, I can create new topics with no problem, and lots are doing it. I think you need to look for a issue on your end.
I'm not saying that there isn't a problem, but check the easy stuff first. Reboot - even fixes issues with smart phones, as I have found.

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I have cleared the cookies from my browser, and I can not get the buttons with three different browsers, nor using two different laptops, a PC, and an iPad.....

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Don:
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=35113.0

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Thanks!

It's back!

Viggo said:

vscd said:

"The advantages of the new 85mm lens such as IS, faster AF, better built quality, and lighter weight were just too much for me to overlook."

I don't know what could be better in built quality. The 85L 1.2is built like a tank with beautiful haptics.

Apart from that I think the T-stop-difference is maybe larger because of the fewer glass used. I would bet full of half a stop difference... maybe DXO will clear this up.

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Regarding build quality ; first off it’s weather sealed, it also has the same bumper/shock absorber at the front as the 35 L II, much better protected rear element. USM, instead of the old wire focus. Plus more adjustments and better internals etc.

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And, if memory serves, the average repair cost of the 1.2 II is now about $1000, so I saw liability, not value, in keeping both.

I also took some similar pictures after buying my EF-S 60mm just to test its capabilities but for a short time only. Now I make all my photos with a tripod and am trying to find subjects not commonly known. I'll be curious what you will manage to do later. Good luck to your shots!

you don't have to guess or believe. The responsible Canon execs said it publicly in the interview i linked to. Unless you believe, they were not telling the truth.

Sony E-mount and Canon EF-M mount are very well chosen for APS-C. Sony mount was forced into FF service. Canon head designer for EF-M hints in the interview, that EF-M could possibly also be forced into FF servcie, but goes on to state that Canpon has no intention whatsoever and that it would be a very borderline ["crazy" in google translation of interview in Japanese ] and heavily compromised thing to do.

Already with EF mount Canon consciously chose a much wider throat width (open diameter) than what would be required "as minimum" for FF image circle. I think, they did just the same again for EF-M relative to APS-C image circle (1.6x crop). I have not seen a similar interview/answers from Sony execs, but BELIEVE, their E-Mount was designed for very compact APS-C cameras [NEX back then, later on A#### models] and was really put into "forced FF labor" as an afterthought and under marketing pressure/internet howling re. Sony introducing "all sorts of new lens mounts and abandoning good ole A-mount".

Based on these observations I also EXPECT/THINK/GUESS/BELIEVE/SPECULATE/CONJECTURE that Canon will bring a new FF mirrorless mount that will be very generously sized - relative to minimum for FF image circle and perfectly matched to the FFD they choose.

Mount and lens design is one thing Canon has repeatedly demonstrated that they really know how to get things "really right".

Talys said:

unfocused said:

jolyonralph said:

My biggest questions is: what are they going to call the model that eventually replaces the 90D. They've already used 100D.

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Mk II.

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It would never be 100D anyhow, because the series is xxD.

Assuming the next model is 90D (as opposed to something Feng Shui-clever like 88D), canon still has 91-99D for radical design changes or parallel series, and Marks for iterations. Thy hould be good for, like, another humdred years

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Before I decided to wait for the 6D2, I thought about getting the 80D, but wondered whether I would need ritalin.

Don Haines said:

ahsanford said:

Canoneer said:

Given the pricing and availability of the ART 85/1.4 and ART 135/1.8, I'm a little perplexed by the existence of this lens. Don't get me wrong, I think it's an incredible optic at an incredible price. And it could very well be my first purchase of an ultra-fast portrait lens.

But is the 105mm designed to be an alternative to the 85mm and 135mm, or a complementary lens to those focal lengths? Typically in portraiture, you have 50mm, 85mm, and 135mm; those give you excellent options for full-length shots, 2/3 - 1/2 length shots, and head shots, respectively. Is the 105mm f/1.4 an option for photographers looking to consolidate the 85 and 135? I really can't see 105mm offering enough uniqueness to warrant lugging it around with an 85 and 135 during a photoshoot (apart from muscle toning, that is).

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Highly doubt folks will carrying this 105 with those other two, agree.

But Sigma's not in the 'collect 'em all' sort of market space. Some folks want something different, and they've never shot a 105. "Yes, we have one" is more their mantra these days, and this 105 fleshes out the line a bit more.

Sigma Art Primes are now: 14 / 20 / 24 / 35 / 50 / 70 1:1 Macro / 85 / 105 / 135

Short of a 28 1.4 for street/reportage, a long (180-ish) macro prime, a monstrous 200 f/2, I don't see any missing pieces. It's a hell of a line. They just need to put the latest AF mojo into their 35 and 50 Arts and they can switch their focus to making zooms as good as their primes.

- A

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I was wondering if they were going to go after some of the big whites next... 200mm? 300mm?


They certainly have set themselves up as third party lens maker extraordinaire... and the dock makes future compatibility worries fade away.....

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Let's imagine that AF is equal in performance (Don't know what reality is), would either of you consider this over a new 135mm @ f/2? I'm wondering how the 30mm difference would affect the bokeh rendering difference between those two apertures.

I guess, though, that 105 vs 135 inside a house could make a difference between using one over the other. I only know this because I have found that my 105mm is much more useful than 135mm indoors, in a small apartment.

If that's not an argument against using lens hoods, I don't know what is...

In a year this will be laying in a box (or the recycle bin) next to your Fong gear and all the rest of the "trinkets" that people sell to photography newbies.

as if the ZEISS name wasn't premium/supreme enough...

Beautiful photos and fantastic story!

Beautiful!

I would have to say the 600 and now the 600 II have made me more of a stationary shooter, though it is amusing sometimes to try handheld tracking when I just cannot shift the gimbal/tripod combination any further. I still carry the camera/lens/tripod on my shoulder and usually have a full pack(5DSR w/several lenses) for the other shots. The one thing I would love to see on the 600 is the selectable 1.4TC like the 200-400. When you are setup in a blind or literally sitting/laying in the mud, movement is a huge deal, and being to either add or subtract that much focal length with the flick of switch would go a long ways towards avoid potential disturbance of whatever is being observed. Also a closer MFD would be a nice touch, as while the use of an extension tube can get you closer, the loss of distance focusing makes it a bit of a bear to constantly swap out, just like the 1.4. Take my money?

/Fantasyland on a rumors site, lol, we can dream, right?

ecqns said:

So if you want to use focus peaking on a FF body with Canon lenses - why haven't you bought a Sony a7III or a7rIII yet? Add the metabones adapter and you're all set. As you move the focus plane around with the TS-E yes you can see the focus peaking indicating color move too. I think there's 3 different color choices and 3 different peaking strengths as well.

If you are shooting portraits - then with a native lens you have the eye control AF which I hear works really well.

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Yuck. Why would I buy a Sony hand hurter to throw adapted L glass on?

Seriously, I'm not in the market for another FF camera at the moment. I can wait on Canon. I'd rather have my lenses native to the body (Exception: Legacy glass). That's how a fanboy rolls.

neuroanatomist said:

Talys said:

If you don't know the answers to these types of questions, you should probably stop talking about this, because speaking without the basis of facts is unhelpful and does not make you sound knowledgeable about anything.

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That ship sailed along time ago.

In any case, this discussion is irrelevant from a practical standpoint. Unless, of course, you assume that a lower cost to produce a MILC means a lower sales price...and that's the sort of assumption that makes you look like an ass.

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I'm pretty sure most of those who have conjectured that full frame mirrorless cameras are cheaper to make also leap to the conclusion that eventually, they'll get really spectacular full frame mirrorless cameras for less money, too.

But anyways, back to reality. You're absolutely right: practically, I can't see the cameras that everyone wants in these forums -- higher end, enthusiast and professional models -- getting cheaper any time soon.

"budget-conscious" maybe?