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rrcphoto · Aug 31, 2015

Tugela said:
Canon Rumors said:

We’re told Canon is actively developing EOS M and EF-M products and 2016 will be the year they “get serious about the platform”. Multiple zoom and prime lenses are in the late state of development and announcements should begin in the first part of 2016.
We’re also told that an EOS M4 will be a global product and a departure from what we’ve seen through the first 3 iterations. There was no information on sensor size, but I suspect APS-C will remain part of the system.
It would be a great if Canon put real resources into developing the EOS M system.

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A few years ago they said they were "getting serious" about video, and look what happened there.

I strongly suggest no one holds their breath. This is marketing stop-loss drivel.

got a quote on that? and i'm talking about an actual quotation from canon, not a rumor from here or CW,etc.

distant.star · Aug 31, 2015

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Sorry, but I "mentioned" it -- within 15 minutes of the announcement...

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=27488.0

brianboru said:
No one mentioned that the EF-M 11-22mm is finally a US product too.

massive · Aug 31, 2015

thanks for the insight guys

very helpful. Be interesting to see what happens when the Mk2 is released

dslrdummy · Aug 31, 2015

Still over $6,800 at authorised dealers in Oz. Have to be content with the 5Diii/7Dii for now and into the foreseeable future.

pedro · Aug 31, 2015

rfdesigner said:
pedro said:

rfdesigner said:

pedro said:

Hi,

along with the recent anncouncement of this high ISO monster cam I would just like to ask the experts here in the forum,
what you think could trickle down into an overnext 1Dx, 5Dx body...Might we see a crippled 1 Mio ISO 1DxIII version along with a 5DV?
If so, they surely are in the concept phase of such a beast, while preparing the roll outs of the 1DxII and a later 5DiV/X whatever...maybe the rumored 5DC could get its share of some of these new specs.

Or will this tech remain within the 30K USD realm?

http://nofilmschool.com/2015/07/canons-multi-purpose-ME20F-SH-full-frame-35mm-camera-4-million-iso

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as pointed out, big pixels are the key.

However if a foveon (layered RGB) arrangement of pixels is ever employed then it becomes relatively trivial to bin pixels together before readout as all pixels will be adjacent to same colour pixels. This is exactly what I do with my astro CCD camera when I'm searching for a target.. I have ~60% quantum efficiecy mono camera with 8x8 binning giving me ~45um pixels, it means I can clearly see and identify an object in a 1 second image that my eyes cannot see at all.

The reason binning works is that all the signal from multiple pixels can be added together pretty much noislessly.. it's only reading the signal out that adds noise.

Alternative routes to reduce noise also exist.

Look up EEV (UK sensor manufacturer). They do L3 sensors amongst other things, the idea is to add a photomultiplier prior to the readout amp. This reduces the effect of readout noise. Also look up ANDOR.. they joint forces with some other companies and created sCMOS.

The idea of sCMOS was to take a slow semiconductor process and optimise it for sensors, then produce an ultra low noise high readout speed sensor.. which they've done.

The sensor uses an ADC per row of pixels. As there are so many ADCs they can afford to run very slowly and still get a very high frame rate. Slow running means low analogue bandwidth, noise is proportional to bandwidth, so that means low noise.

http://www.andor.com/scientific-cameras/neo-and-zyla-scmos-cameras

Awsome doesn't come close... the cameras are out of this world.. if measured in ISO I'm sure they be into the millions.

I did get a quote for one for astronomy, but it was about £8k and I couldn't justify it.. but if I were a professional I might well.

DSLR Sensors have a VERY long way to go.. even the Sony ones..

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All though I do not understand much of the technical terms, I can see that there are innovative concepts out there. As you state according to your knowledge, it would be more than awesome tool to have such a sensor. My conclusion on this: To make it feasable for DSLRs I guess it takes another 25 years of development, maybe a bit less. By then I'll be in my early 70s...So this will be great for a new generation by then! Thanks everyone for their kind input on this. But anyway, a 12 MP lowlight cam at relatively clean 1 Mio ISO might be manufactured by then...who knows.

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25 years is not a bad guess for "I've just managed to record an image on a hunk of siliscon in a lab, at 10x10 pixel resolution and it blew up after 3 seconds of use".. to fully working DSLR at affordable prices.. the first Astro CCD image I came across was made in the late 1980s... and that sensor took time to design and make, which means the clock probably started ticking in the early 1980s.

The jump from what's at the bleeding edge of science cams to DSLRs ought to be 10 years or less away, the key is scalabilty; L3 (or EMCCD) cams are less suited as they really stress the silicon with very high voltages, but sCMOS is potentially very scalable...

As I mentioned it's approx a £10k camera now, in less than 10 years or maybe less than 5 we should see this sort of tech come our way.... If I were in Sony or Canons shoes I'd have been wining and dining the sCMOS people with a view to adding their tech to DSLRs since they came out about 3 years ago.... and they probably have been.

Note: sCMOS is a 33000:1 DR, that's over 15 bits.. Native!.. if Canon are borrowing this tech for their 5DIV/1DXII it's a Sony(Nikon) beater.

rfdesigner: thank you so much. this is great information...we will see. Hope they have been dining with the sCMOS folks... 8)

Zv · Aug 31, 2015

privatebydesign said:
unfocused said:

ahsanford said:

unfocused said:

I hope we are not getting to the point where the floor for "L" lenses starts at $2,000. Honestly, I find nothing wrong with some of the older lenses I own: the 24-105, the 17-40 and the 100-400 for example. I'm worried that Canon is focusing to much on specialty lenses and not enough on general purpose lenses.

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Have to disagree. The 24-70 f/4L IS is a clear IQ improvement over the 24-105 and its included macro mode is phenomenal, the the 16-35 F/4L IS categorically runs circles around the 17-40 f/4L. And neither of those lenses are anywhere near $2k.

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Yes, the newer lenses offer significant improvements, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying that the lenses they replaced were not bad lenses at all.

The 24-70 f4 "L" is superior optically, but you also lose 35mm in focal length.

Everyone has to make their own judgement call and prioritize their needs and resources. I'm just saying that I hope Canon doesn't go too far in their quest for perfect lenses and forget those of us who need versatility over perfect IQ.

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For them there are choices, don't get hung up on the 'L', the 35mm f2.0 IS is a superb lens; the 16-35 f4 IS is quantum leaps above the 17-40 and a comparable real world price, the 100L Macro is a decent upgrade from the non L version and not expensive either. The 8-15 f4 fisheye zoom was a bitter pill to swallow, the price was three times the predecessor for no gain in functionality for my personal use, so I didn't swallow it, guess what? The 15mm f2.8 fisheye still takes fantastic images just as it did before.

It doesn't matter what your personal need is, it is fairly certain you can find it within Canon's lens catalog either new or used, but people who are using the new sensors want and need lenses to match those capabilities and the cost of those lenses is going to be high.

I really like my 15 fisheye and it is better for me than the 8-15, I loved my 16-35 f4 IS but knew it would have to go after getting the 11-24, I am very glad Canon didn't stop at the 16-35 f4 IS, they could have done, but I shoot a lot of wide angle and have a need for 11-16 that I am prepared to pay $3,000 for, I appreciate most people aren't, but I say keep going Canon, just buy the best optics you can for what you need and if that means all your lenses aren't 'L's' then so what? Mine aren't and I don't care.

Just to tack on to the end of that - The way I see it is you have two or three levels of L lens in a way. The lower priced, older stuff which gets the job done such as the 17-40 and 24-105L, gateway L lenses for hobbyists with 6Ds and then you have the mid range L for the advanced 5D3 user and finally high end L for the working pros with the very latest cameras. More options is always a good thing and gives me something to attain to - like being worthy of even owning an 11-24mm! (Still working on level 2 - 16-35L!)

Maximilian · Aug 31, 2015

By the way:
Allister Carter won the tournament.
In the final he defeated Shaun Murphy by 4:3 frames.

bmwzimmer · Aug 31, 2015

Great job innovating Canon!!! TAKE THAT SONY!! :-\ :'(

Vivid Color · Aug 30, 2015

Thank you for posting this. I have the 24 -105 and have been considering getting the 24 - 70 f/4, primarily for the macro feature.

GaryS · Aug 30, 2015

The EF 70-200mm f/4l IS, is also missing.

Aug 30, 2015

BTPB88, you will be the happiest pauper in the cemetery!

BeenThere · Aug 30, 2015

Cheekysascha said:
Anyone have a Sigma 24mm art 1.4 prime and a Sigma 35mm 1.4 prime? I'm trying to decide which to get for low light and some star photography too but I'm struggling to decide so if any of you have some experience with both which do you prefer and recommend for me?

Some info: Lightroom says 80% of my pictures are at 24mm and I'm looking for a good wide angle prime to go with my 50mm 1.2 and my 24-70 f2.8 but 35mm seems like a nice focal length to me as well as most of my photography is without a tripod and more run and gun Instagram style.

Also I'll be using the prime with a 5D III if that helps.

You may want to read this before deciding. The sigma 24mm has coma issues until f/2.8 for star photography. If you are using f2.8' might be better served by the Tamron 15-30.

http://www.ronbrunsvold.com/tools/wide-angle-lenses-for-night.html

privatebydesign · Aug 30, 2015

The only 'negative' of the f2 IS is the strong vignetting on FF cameras wide open (which I actually kind of like and is easy to remove in post when I don't want it and is nearly as bad on the Sigma anyway), on crop cameras the effect is much more mitigated.

For me the choice was simple, reliable and consistent AF, universal perpetual EOS compatibility, and IS, over bigger heavier but one stop faster Sigma.

If you need the speed you need the speed, for some shooting situations the f1.4 is a necessity, only you can decide how critical that one stop is for your shooting situations, but don't think the f2 IS is a slouch, or that the f2 IS lacks character because it doesn't, just look at Dustin Abbott's review to illustrate that!

http://dustinabbott.net/2014/03/canon-ef-35mm-f2-is-usm-review/

Personally I find the IS more useful than the extra aperture.

Cheekysascha · Aug 30, 2015

Iceland's weather is mental, it can go from completely gorgeous and sunny to hail storm to a blizzard in a single day so I'd recommend bringing a good warm jacket that has chest pockets so you can keep your camera batteries dry and also rain covers and a waterproof camera bag.

As for lenses I'd bring both bodies the 5D III , 7D II
I'd take the 16-35 F4 because it's a lot sharper especially at the edges.

70-200mm II would be my pick as Iceland is more of a wide open country and you probably won't need the 100-400m as much.

14mm Samyang and the 50mm 1.2 would be the other two Lenses I'd recommend to take as the 14mm wide angle would be right at home in Iceland with the beautiful Landscapes and the 50mm 1.2 will be great for portraits or low light work

nc0b · Aug 30, 2015

I own two FF and two crop, and I will never buy another crop for what I shoot. The 6D is my go-to body from landscapes to BIF. My zooms works so much better on FF whether the 24-105mm, or either 70-200mm since I generally need the wide view more than the extra reach. Besides many discussions here have concluded the extra reach is more like 1.2X instead of 1.6X. For BIF the 6D does very well, even if people complain about its crippled focus capabilities. For me I only use the center spot, and for BIF the 400mm f/5.6. See today's hawk shots attached. I don't know if a 7D II would be better, but I am not going there. Certainly there are places where a 5D3 or a 1DX would be better, but I am very happy with the 6D. I shoot indoor dance events, and the 70-200mm f/2.8 ISII is the cats meow couple with the 6D's low light capability.

Zv · Aug 29, 2015

It costs about the same as a 5D MkIII here in Japan :'(

That's a lot of cash - a months salary for me. Out of my price range unfortunately. I'm a bit annoyed at the difference between the U.S. and Japanese prices for new releases. I know the dollar is stronger than the yen but not by that much!

Some examples -

The 11-24mm lens is almost ¥400,000 compared to $2999 that's a huge difference of almost a thousand bucks.

The 5DSr is ¥450,000 compared to $3800 which is a good $500 difference.

I can see from other posts that it's not just here but pretty much everywhere. My point is if the 35L II is being RRP at $1799 that is a flippin bargain for you Americans. Within a few months that will undoubtedly be down to less than that. Sigma shmigma - forget about it. A few hundred more for Canon L quality is surely worth it to working pros.

9VIII · Aug 29, 2015

raptor3x said:
Unfortunately I don't have any f/4 lenses to test with...

Hold down the Depth Of Field preview button while unscrewing the lens. The aperture will stay closed to whatever you set.
(an old trick usually used for Macro shots with extension tubes)

rs · Aug 29, 2015

e17paul said:
It's certainly possible, the internal diameter of the EF-M mount is larger than it is for Leica M or Sony FE. Full frame works for them. See dimensions at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_mount.

There are lots of possibilities out there. If Canon have the sense to build in their EVF, then I will be keen to jump on board.

Canons EF-M throat diameter is also bigger than the Nikon F mount.

+1 about a built in EVF

TWI by Dustin Abbott · Aug 29, 2015

telemaq76 said:
great shots dustin, just a question, with the quality of the cheaper tamron 15-30 2.8, do you think the zeiss still worth the price?

It depends on your needs. I did purchase the Tamron 15-30, however, and I'm delighted with it. I'm about to review some filter systems for it. The Zeiss does take traditional filters, so that's a plus. I don't think it has much on the Tamron in terms of image quality, though. The Tamron is shockingly good. Here is a wide open shot that I took a couple of weeks ago in NYC:

St. Patrick's Cathedral, NYC by Dustin Abbott, on Flickr

JackHudson · Aug 29, 2015

This is without a doubt the most impressive camera I've seen since I went digital. The Canon 1D X is a certified monster of a camera. It's the biggest, the fastest and the bestest 35mm DSLR I've ever seen or used.

FTb-n · Aug 29, 2015

Mick said:
I just got my new 100-400 and had a go with my 1DX. I have the latest 70-300, 70-200, 300 and 500 primes. I have never needed to adjust any of the len's, they were all perfect right out the box. I just get on shooting and look at the images I get which are all bang on sharp. What I can say is the new 100-400 focus's fast, feels great to handle and the level of sharpness just blew me away. I get really nice contrast and colours its just one amazing lens and a real worthy upgrade to the old one. Ok its not quite the 300 prime but that's just the best lens i've ever used and over three times the cost but I tell you its not that far off in real world shooting and a real good match when using the extender on the prime. Its also lighter and easier to use as I get older. Possibly...no it is the best "all round" does everything lens ive ever used. Ill give it a go on the new 7D tomorrow and expect equally good results. It may be a few £'s more than some competitors but like many things in life...you get what you pay for. Now...how do I tell my wife ive been shopping again..........

The 100-400 is a great fit for the 1Dx, especially for outdoor sports. What did you find out about the lens on the 7D2?
So, what did you find out about the 100-400 on the 7D?

luciddreamz · Aug 28, 2015

For anyone still wondering, it does look to be the Think Tank Artificial Intelligence 15 V3.0 bag with CPS embroidered on it. See the image below found on the product page: http://www.thinktankphoto.com/products/ai-15v3.aspx.

mackguyver · Aug 28, 2015

I have found that DLO doesn't make a huge difference on fast lenses or lenses shot wide open, but it's always worth a try if you have the time and feel you need it, especially for large prints.

With the 85 and other lenses between f/1.2 and 1.4, I find that calibrating AFMA makes a huge difference in both sharpness and CA levels.

zim · Aug 28, 2015

My god I got vertigo just watching that, I'm not good with heights, how doesn't he fall off I feel sick

Click · Aug 28, 2015

Beautiful series, Isaac. Nice work.

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