Floating Optical System: what is it?
- By Drizzt321
- Canon Lenses
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Ah, perfect. Just an optical element(s) that doesn't move directly with the focusing group. Makes sense! Thanks Neuro! ;D
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Morlin said:9VIII said:Is that doughnuts I see?
Doughnuts? Where? Or what do you mean?
surapon said:Yes, My TS-E 24 mm. F/ 3.5 L MK II is great for Macro Photos too, This Lens have Min. Focus Distant = 0.21 M or 0.69 FT. That great for the Macro of Flowers in this distant.
StudentOfLight said:dilbert said:Chuck Alaimo said:If you like landscape portraiture then ---how ya gonna do that without a landscape lens? I love my 24mm, but, there are times wen you want wider than that.
"A perfect fit between the more effect-driven 8-15mm f/4 fisheye and the event-oriented 16-35mm f/2.8..."
what about the 14mmm prime???? Wider than the 16-35, less distortion, better IQ than the 8-15mm...it's a lens on my list to check out for sure!!!!
Landscape portraiture?
*shakes head*
The amount of single mindedness about lenses and roles in these forums is deeply disturbing.
Or rather it probably reflects how little photography people do...
I believe a better description from Chuck would have been "environmental portraits", where the environment adds context to the image. (e.g. Model reading a book under a large tree.) If the scale of the environment adds context to an image why not shoot with a wide angle lens from a reasonable distance.
privatebydesign said:awinphoto said:jhpeterson said:I think the photo would have look sharper had you focused on the closer of the two girls. It appears more natural if the subject in the background, rather than the one in front, appears a bit soft. (Due to haze and other aerial disturbance, our eyes are used to accepting things in the distance as being less distinct.)
That and stopping down to maybe f:5.6 or 8 should do the trick. You don't want to go so slow that the girls' movement spoils the shot.
good advice, plus, the ol' rule of thumb (although disputed by many), 1/3 of the focal plane in front and 2/3 of the focal plane will be in focus, depending on what aperture you use, so you have the better chance of of the back subject falling in focus than the front one jumping in focus.
Along with Neuro's answer I'd add this very helpful site link. Take a look at the tables in the "CLARIFICATION: FOCAL LENGTH AND DEPTH OF FIELD" section and don't forget that, generally, lens focal length gets shorter as you focus closer, no disputes, just physics.
Marsu42 said:Canon Rumors said:... with the new macro lens in 2014 ...
I didn't hear that before - is that a [CR0] or even more substantiated? My opinion: 180L-IS! 180L-IS! 180L-IS! ...
sjprg said:Jurist; With the aperture closer to the lens while the angle is the same, the area of the dispersal is much smaller which may allow better lens corrections in the first lens behind it. Just a thought.
canon23 said:Hi All,
I'm looking for continuous video lighting for my still photography. I do weddings & events and have always used on-camera flash. I'm venturing into using video lighting as an off-camera light source.
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated!!
My budget is $250.
I shoot Canon 5D Mark II & III
Thanks again!!
Thank youajfotofilmagem said:If you can not afford 5D mark iii, currently 70D is the best choice. However, if you really need to shoot at ISO 6400, it is recommended to save a little more, and in the future buy 5D mark iii, or maybe 5D mark iv.
slclick said:The 85 1.8 price is 389 not 319
Dylan777 said:I would buy a gift for my wife, so she wouldn't not give me hard time when I'm ready for 600mm f4 :![]()
jrista said:With Lytro it does happen optically. There is actually a special optical array in front of the sensor. They do longer exposures, and over the duration of the exposure time, they are actually gathering information in "three" dimensions. A lytro image is not just a bunch of pixels in two dimensions, it actually contains more information that allow their software to do it's thing. It isn't just software trickery, it is a combination of optical ingenuity and software algorithms that achieve the ability to change DOF in post.
Lytro is a limited application of the concept, though. If you play with some of their examples, you'll find that there are a number of discrete options for DOF, it isn't really a continuum. Improvements on the technology could make it more effective, bring in enough information that you could indeed have more of a continuous three dimensional field that you can tweak in post. The raw data file sizes would become considerably larger, however as time continues to trudge on, processing speed and storage capacity is improving considerably (i.e. CFast 2). I don't think that the Lytro concept would ever become a mainstream, frequently used thing...it would be one of those more niche options for people who really need it.
And there are actually already some options to solve some of these problems. Not quite the way an infinite field lytro-style device does, but tilt/shift lenses can be used to great effect to control your focus. You can either constrain DOF, or expand it such that you could photograph a landscape scene at f/4 or even f/2.8 and have the entire depth of field in focus and at high resolving power. Again, though, this is a purely optical solution, and as such, you tend to pay more for it, especially if you need the capability at multiple focal lengths...so a lytro-type solution could still offer something in a cheaper package.
I think it's just a novelty thing, at least until it's developed considerably more, and even then it might be more useful to scientists than photographers. I can't remember ever looking at a photo I've taken thinking "I wish I could go back and use a different aperture instead". If you didn't get it right the first time, you shouldn't even have the image so there's nothing to hope to change! Of course if it allowed t/s type manipulation as well, then it would be more interesting for photographers as well, no doubt. But you can buy a good t/s lens for $1500 or even $1000 (!), I don't know how much the Lytro costs but I don't think any dedicated camera would be competitive in comparison. A TS is more fun to use than some sliders anyway!jrista said:flowers said:Okay, I got it. That makes sense. I think there would be no shortage of optical problems if the camera had pixels the size of the longer end of the light they're collecting! And I don't even want to imagine the S/N ratio... I read about Lytro recently, it was fascinating! Maybe I'm being sentimental, but to me that would feel like "faking DOF"! The significance is huge, but it would feel so different if I had to use it in practice. Personally I prefer everything to happen optically that can happen optically!jrista said:You eventually reach the point of diminishing returns with sensor resolution if the lens is the limiting factor. Now, it doesn't matter how good the lens is...if you need to use f/8, you need to use f/8, and you'll never get more than 86lp/mm even with the best lens and the best sensor humanity is ever capable of producing. The only option at that point to achieve more resolution is to start taking more radical measures. Use f/4 and stack for focus. Maybe build a camera capable of always using a lens at it's fastest diffraction limited aperture, and use clever post-lens optics and software algorithms to produce whatever depth of field you need at the resolution of that maximum diffraction limited aperture. This is kind of where Lytro is pioneering something new. Their concept was consumerized, but it is possible they have the foundation of the future of ultra high resolution photography in their pockets (I don't know for sure, depends on exactly how their technology works and how applicable it is to different kinds of cameras.)
With Lytro it does happen optically. There is actually a special optical array in front of the sensor. They do longer exposures, and over the duration of the exposure time, they are actually gathering information in "three" dimensions. A lytro image is not just a bunch of pixels in two dimensions, it actually contains more information that allow their software to do it's thing. It isn't just software trickery, it is a combination of optical ingenuity and software algorithms that achieve the ability to change DOF in post.
Lytro is a limited application of the concept, though. If you play with some of their examples, you'll find that there are a number of discrete options for DOF, it isn't really a continuum. Improvements on the technology could make it more effective, bring in enough information that you could indeed have more of a continuous three dimensional field that you can tweak in post. The raw data file sizes would become considerably larger, however as time continues to trudge on, processing speed and storage capacity is improving considerably (i.e. CFast 2). I don't think that the Lytro concept would ever become a mainstream, frequently used thing...it would be one of those more niche options for people who really need it.
And there are actually already some options to solve some of these problems. Not quite the way an infinite field lytro-style device does, but tilt/shift lenses can be used to great effect to control your focus. You can either constrain DOF, or expand it such that you could photograph a landscape scene at f/4 or even f/2.8 and have the entire depth of field in focus and at high resolving power. Again, though, this is a purely optical solution, and as such, you tend to pay more for it, especially if you need the capability at multiple focal lengths...so a lytro-type solution could still offer something in a cheaper package.