Canon 6D or 5D MKII - Which is Better for Video?

AndyG said:
I've never personally held a Canon 5DMKIII, but from all of the reviews and videos online I've been scared away from it because of the softness of the video.

I use a 5D3, I think the image looks fantastic. I just shot a 40 minute film with it, we used a 5D2 as a b camera and I can absolutely tell the difference in quality between the two. I don't think the softness of the image should be a concern, especially since the image can withstand post-sharpening quite well.

Watch the Phil Bloom review of it and it should ease your concerns quite a bit:

http://philipbloom.net/2012/04/09/5dmk3/
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Which supertele?

bdunbar79 said:
RGF said:
bdunbar79 said:
I found at least for soccer and football the improvements in the 1DX sensor outweighed the resolution loss. Wildlife is another deal though, as I'm not familiar with focal lengths of 500 and 600mm.

when you say outweighed resolution loss, what ISO and how large do you print?

For football I've printed 50% crops at ISO 8000 at 8x10, ISO 1600 with 75% crop at 10x14.

Again though, I realize the FOV of a 500 and 600 is going to be quite different, but those shots beat my 1D4 by a long way.

Thanks. I'll be borrowing one ina few weeks from CPS and I'll be able to compare then.May upset my budget a bit, a whole bit.
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Any news / sighting of the 200-400 in March (or early April)?

Ewinter said:
I spoke to the canon guys about it and got the play with the redesigned lens. Basically, where the TC housing was made it hard to change filters and release the lenses, so they moved it. It's a beaut of a lens

Built-in TC is not common (may be the first in a non-cinc lens) so I am sure that there are design/usability issues around it. I would have hoped (foolish me) that Canon would have worked these out long ago.
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Bogus Canon Rebate Prices at B&H

CharlieB said:
Consider the 7D which was available for $999 to $1099 with careful shopping... now $1299 "with the rebate". Its all a game... just a game

Sometimes rebates are the prelude to actual price decreases, again, for marketing reasons.

Time will tell

They typically raise the price and then offer a rebate to soften the blow. However, times are tough and they are not increasing prices. I've never seen MSRP drop after a rebate. Dealers do sometimes lower their price by making little or no markup, but it has nothing to do with Canons dealer price.
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The Blackmagic Production Camera 4K

JasonATL said:
Pieces Of E said:
The Blackmagic Design cameras are pretty awesome for what they are and how they've burst onto the video market, but for us Windows-based PC owners without a brand new Thunderbolt input device, they're useless. I don't even think that a stand-alone SSD reader exists, so that puts the kibosh on my interest. As if I have the cash-ola to spend anyways! ::)

I'm a Windows-only user at the moment and have no problems working with my Blackmagic Design Cinema Camera (BMCC). You can read ProRes in Windows. BMD's DaVinci Resolve is on Windows. My BMCC uses exFat-formatted SSD drives. Thunderbolt is only used for monitoring and scopes while recording and is not necessary (or even used) for ingesting video from the camera.

All the praise of the BMCC and the anticipated new cameras that I'm reading here is well-deserved. My wife has a 5D Mark III for stills shooting. I borrowed it for video shooting quite a bit and was about ready to buy one until I started fancying a BMCC. I'm very glad I didn't buy another 5D Mark III. The BMCC is so far beyond a DSLR that I don't know if I'll ever pick up a DSLR for video again, especially after my BM Pocket Camera arrives.

As someone said earlier, ask a stills photog if they would ever give up raw. Once you have it in video, you won't want to either.

And, the 4:2:2 modes on the BMCC blow away my Canons in resolution and color.

I've ordered both new cameras, but will probably cancel the 4k. I really don't have a need for it. The Pocket cam will solve one issue that I don't like about the BMCC vs. a DSLR: the BMCC's form factor is not "handheld-friendly". Like Cayenne, I plan to buy one MFT lens (the Panny 12-35 with IS) and use the cam as a "walking around" cam. If an active-MFT to active-EF adapter comes out, all the better so I can use all my EF-mount glass.

A correction to something in this thread. The BMCC does suffer from moire. However, because it resolves so much detail, it is actually possible to reduce the effects of the moire and clean it up nicely, mostly through chroma blur. In doing so, the moire isn't bothersome to me on this camera, when it was something I just hated about some DSLRs.

There is a reason that BMD has stolen the show at NAB two years in a row. They're delivering what people want.

The next traditional companies that need to start worrying are the Adobe's and Apple's: BMD's DaVinci Resolve might end up replacing their post tools. Resolve is amazing.

Please give us a good review when you get the BM camera(s)!!

I've never been one to test the water with both feet so to speak.....so, I'm gonna let a few of the pocket BM cameras come out, and find what people like about them, difficulties, and most importantly to me...what they find are the best lenses to get for it.

I would like to use as much of my EF glass with it I could (with an adaptor that hopefully would work), but I do realize that I'll need something MUCH wider to add with that to make the camera useful in more situations.

C
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Mixing an Einstein 640/w Cyber commandeer with 600 EX RT's and ST E3 RT.

Wildfire said:
Yes you can do that.

Check out this guy's blog: http://www.nicknphoto.com/wedding-reception-lighting/

I am not using the Cyber Commander as a trigger. I use it to remotely adjust power on my strobes. The Commander isn’t too expensive and I think it’s worth it. I still use a 600EX-RT mounted on the hot-shoe and a CST trigger Velcroed on and connected to the camera via a PC Sync cable.

Sweet thats what I figured. Thanks for the reply!
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YN-622 Reviews?

Hugo Fisher said:
I have got YN 622C a couple days ago.
I was really impressed, that YN 622C is working with my studio strobes too - and what is more - now I can shoot with my studio strobes up to 1/8000s ! That was something really unexpected for me.
What cable do you use to connect the Yongnuo YN-622C with studio strobes? I'm running PCB Einsteins. Thanks.

-PW
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70-200 2.8 cropped vs 400 2.8 non cropped vs 200 2.8 with teleconverter?

AlanF said:
K-amps said:
You get what you pay for.... the 70-200 mk.ii plus 2x TC mk.iii is about par with the 100-400 @400 give or take... which is poor compared to the 400 f5.6 which in turn is quite poor compared to the 400 2.8 etc...

I have owned both the 100-400mm L and the 400mm f/5.6. Their IQs in the centre were very similar. Photozone MTFs show the 100-400mm slightly sharper in the centre as do the Canon MTFs, and SLRgear has them very similar. So is the 100-400mm really poor compared with the 400mm f/5.6?

The 70-200mmL + 2X TC, the 100-400mmL, and the 400mm f/5.6L are so close in the center that sample variation could push one ahead of the other. I've had them all, and they are are good buys. I've also had a 600mmL, it is definitely better, unless you factor in weight and cost ;)

The 70-200 f/2.8 MK II IS is very good, it gives rock solid stabilization with a 2X TC, or even with 1.4X and 2X TC's stacked. Noticibly better IS than the 100-400L without a TC. For handheld shots at ordinary shutter speeds (1/400sec or less), the IS can help produce a sharper image of a still subject. I find that 1/800 sec for a 400mm lens is a better choice when adequate light is available. .
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Light Meter & SpeedLites

privatebydesign said:
That depends on how close the light is to the model and what type of diffuser, if any, you are using. In strong sunlight you can often go with bare flash, then zoom the flash head to cover whatever you want, if it is in a modifier then you should practice what zoom gets the best light output, this will be critical in things like a beauty dish. Do that by taking a picture of your modifier from the front with the flash firing, then you will see the spread efficiency, then take a picture with the modifier pointed to a plain wall, this will show you your coverage, not being even isn't necessarily a problem, just remeber how the light falls and use that to your advantage.

The flash zoom is a greatly under thought about modifier, it's real beauty is zoomed to long focal lengths to get spot lights with falloff.

In my Lastolite 28" box I normally have one diffusion panel and 50mm zoom on the flash head, if I want the light smaller with more drop off I will go narrower, one of the small but very worthwhile improvements of the 600EX-RT is the zoom to 200mm.

But remember, in power limited situations always go to max zoom, get the light in close and accept the fall off.

Well I gave it my best shot, learned a lot and had a good time. Can't wait to go again. Here are a couple of photos. Yes I used LR to touch them up.

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Big Megapixel Development Announcement in the Fall? [CR2]

RLPhoto said:
Agreed, but to say the 85L II is sharper than the 135L is stretch. Even though we're comparing razors to razors.

I can only state what my particular lenses show. My 85IIL is a bit sharper than my 135L. Both are sharp, no argument! My 135L is about as sharp as my 70-200 f2.8 L IS II.
But my sharpest lens is easily my 400 f2.8 L IS and then my 100 LIS Macro. Both of these lenses are bonkers sharp. My old 100mm USM macro was sharp but not as sharp as my L version, other people used to rave about theirs, mine was a little so-so.
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straps

If anyone is concerned about using their strap connected to their tripod mount an option is to use a OP/TECH Utility Loop connected to one of your cameras strap hooks.

I connect my sun sniper strap to my camera using a utility loop. It make it more secure than being attached to the tripod mount, which it frees up, also I find that the strap does not get in the way as much when taking photos with the strap attached to one side of the camera as opposed to being attached to the tripod mount.

Finally the utility loops are really cheap I got a pack of two for under £7.00 from Amazon.co.uk.
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So ready for a move up from 450D - But how big? 5DMIII / 6D or ..? Edit: DONE !!

Hello again.
I am having a great time. Very happy with the new 6D sofar.

I add two samples.
In no way photo-art. But they both show me lots of promises on what this camera can do.
It resolves and renders delicately (swan's feathers / water surface)
And it does a good job regarding focus (I tried a bit of BIF, which is not my regular domain).

Much more playing / testing / gaining experience to be done - love it.

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