Thank you guys

I used to find some lens extender combination would be better with IS turned off when I had my 7D.

But normally I leave it on all the time and don't seem to have a problem.

That is impressive. Probably not the primary application of a tripod for most users, but I can imagine that it feels good to know that this tripod will not any blur to the pictures, and most likely will last a long time.

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Woody said:

Wild said:

Canon could have easily churned out a mirrorless with a 5d mark ii-like sensor in it with a similar body style to the EOS-M, and kept it priced competitively.

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Pricing a camera with a FF sensor competitively is pretty hard. Just look at the fixed lens Sony RX1 as a guide. Want a cheaper FF camera? You've already got the D600 and 6D.

Canon is in the business of money making. I'm sure their marketing staff must have done their homework and concluded APS-C is the way of the future. The sensors are cheaper to produce and the accompanying lenses are also smaller. Until manufacturers find a cheaper means to produce FF sensors, they'll always be reserved for a niche market.

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I understand that full-frame isn't cheap. I also realize aps-c is at a really good place price/performance-wise. I just think that Canon could have easily leap-frogged the competition with a cheap-body full frame mirrorless (to help keep costs lower.

When Microsoft's Xbox came out back in 2006 (I think), it was as powerful as some $2000 gaming computers, and they sold it for $400. They knew they were going to sell a lot of them, and the games that went along with it, so they kept the price low enough for it to take off. A full-frame mirrorless, priced aggressively, and banking on lens sales to maintain larger profits, could do exceptionally well for Canon. Seeing as they're probably the only company on this planet that could pull something like that off, it's disappointing to have them play it safe in the market with a smaller sensor, and remove a reason for them to make Full-frame mirrorless lenses.

I guess I'm in the minority, but I just think full-frame should be more readily available to the masses (I know somebody's going to say film is cheap). If somebody told me each aps-c sensor costs 50 bucks to make, but a full-frame sensor costs like $1000, then I'm completely wrong and I take everything back ;D

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You're making a faulty assumption here, Microsoft will make the bulk of their money selling games. Maybe 10-20 games per sold console. Canon would not be able to sell lots of lenses to go with these cheap full frame cameras, most ppeople would settle for the kit lens like they probably do with the rebels.

He's right about one thing - the 50 F/1,2L is soft as shite!
That and the funky focus shifting - seriously????

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Gunda7879 said:

For those who might be interested in 6D, B&H Photo are selling the 6D with Kit Lens (24-105mm F4L) with 32GB memory card for $2499. Not sure for how long it'll last.

URL: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/892354-REG/

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I had a 7D that did the same thing and it was the image processor. Canon replace it and it was fine

Whether the eventual update on the 135L is f/2 or f/1.8 I don't really care. What would be handy is the standardization to the 77mm filter thread size plus IS. Maybe I'm not as steady as I used to be, but after using my most used lens, the 70-200 f/2.8IIis I really notice the subtle trembles with the 135 f/2 and need to be more conscious of shutter speed if I'm hand holding. Another useful option would be a tripod/monopod collar.

In any case, the current lens continues to astound me. I was late getting the 135 f/2, it was not until last year I made room in my bag for one. Out of the box it was a shocker, needing a constant +9 AFMA on all my bodies. Thank goodness for AFMA.

Another highly unethical, possibly unhealthy alternative to IS would be the use of beta-blockers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_blocker as used by some athletes. Since they promote lower heart rates and reduce tremors, beta blockers have been used in professional sports where high accuracy is required, including archery, shooting, golf and snooker. Photographers too?

Beta blockers are banned by the International Olympic Committee. A recent, high-profile transgression took place in the 2008 Summer Olympics, where 50 metre pistol silver medallist and 10 metre air pistol bronze medallist Kim Jong-su tested positive for propranolol and was stripped of his medal. For similar reasons, beta blockers have also been used by stutterers and surgeons. How slow can you hand hold a 135 f/2?

-PW

@TrumpetPower

Good stuff, in defense of the humble bit of 'white' paper, its something that fits in the kit bag quite easily, and is less imperfect than awb etc. paper will at least get you close enough that fixes in post are minor.

I'll try the styrofoam cup sometime.

I have the qpcards & a calumet grey white black card in my kit bag, but accept that even this is s bit cumbersome for many, especially given canons old fashion manusl wbbprocedure.
With live view it should take one button.

I look forward to working my way through your link, everyday is a school day and all that.

Cheers

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While 300 is more than 200 (obviously), it doesn't feel that much longer in the field. If you need more reach, I recommend looking also at the 100-400 or 400 prime. Depending on what you shoot, even that might not feel long enough, but it will get you closer.

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Or, if you are weight conscious (hiking, travel, etc) and don't want to deal with the 100-400, you can go my path, I got the 200mm f/2.8 and I'll add a 2x TC when I want 400mm f/5.6.

I lose IS, but since I shoot mostly action and things on the move, it's not much of a loss for me. If you need IS, then the 100-400 is a good suggestion

Looks like a wrong forum.

What I agree with though is the excitement, which I haven't felt about Canon quite some time.

EvilTed said:

Wow!

I can't wait to get my hands on this camera and the same specs in the new X-Pro2.

http://www.flixelpix.com/featured/hands-on-the-x100s/

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Samyang announced on their Facebook page that the new 10mm f/2.8 ED AS UMC CS lens will be postponed till the end of 2013 due to changes in optical calculation.

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caruser said:

Any update on this subject?

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It's not supported at this point, although the only problem it causes is with metering (physically, it fits). Chuck Westfall told me that it's apparently something Canon could fix in firmware, if they choose to.

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Hm, thanks for the info, I'll try to let them know that some people would like this.

(And I'll let them know that it took me about 2 hours to install EOS Utility on my Mac, using tools like dtruss to skip the stage that always got stuck - Canon's Mac software is still as crappy as ever).

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Wildfire said:

Marsu42 said:

keep in mind that the 6d shots are softer

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What? Where did you get that from?

I've never shot a 5D3 but the 6D shots are just as sharp as my 5D2 shots... why would there be a difference in sharpness between any of the full frame sensors?

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no.

actually the 5D MK2 has the highest spatial resolution of the three cameras.
a lot of reviews confirm this.

but you have to shoot testcharts to see it or pixelpeep pictures of the same motive to notice it.
yet it IS visible.

the reason is a marginal lower MP number of the 6D (but that is really marginal) another reason is the difference in the AA filter.

i guess the 6D has a stronger AA filter then the other two cameras.
if that´s the case it is a shame that there is so much moire in 6D videos.

anyway, not all FF sensors are equal...

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Im kind of a pixel peeper myself, but almost by accident. I am viewing my shots at 24" on a 1920x1200 monitor, and judging them. My wife wanted a 8.5x11 print of a tiger lilly I shot last summer, and on my PC I thought, ehh, its not real sharp but W/E and had a print of it made. at 8.5x11 in our hallway it looks super-sharp, and gets alot of comments. Maybe a 2' print in a restaurant on a wall, 1' from someones face it may look soft. SOOO many amazing shots have come from 12 MP 5d classics, and alot even cropped. Just a little point on pixel peeping I guess, Rant over haha

I've found the 35mm focal length on a FF camera to be too wide for most of my indoor photography. Its great for group shots, but unflattering for shots of individuals as you are forced to get close for good framing.

Last weekend I used both my 35L and 50 1.4 on my 6D for pictures at a party and later at a large family event. Despite the 50 1.4 being inferior to the 35L optically, I generally liked the majority of the 50mm shots better, especially of individuals.

I found myself wishing I had an 85, 100 or 135mm prime for better shots of individuals. I'm considering selling my 35L and using the money to apply toward a prime in the 85-135 focal length range to use for shooting indoor events and portraits along with the 50 1.4.

On the 5D3 comment, I more meant that ISO 6400 would be much cleaner without horizantal bands.

I haven't done enough macro to try focus bracketing... I'm not a huge fan of using a tripod except in extreme cases such as astrophotography/timelapse. I know macro and hand-holding don't really go together, but that's my style. If I get more serious about macro work, I'd probably invest in a macro flash.

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It's not the Date Back which has these capabilities it's the Technical Back E (It fits EOS 620, 650,600,RT)
It has never been matched 100% It could program these curves

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+1 ... I'm still missing the technical back on my old eos rt (next to the stellar release time)! The custom curves haven't been matched yet, it's still just a fixed "creative zone". It's really disappointing how the potential of the embedded cpu lies dormant, that's why I like Magic Lantern so much.

Same here in germany. Imho it has nothing to do with the education level. Some people just cant even speak their native tongue properly.

dolina said:

With Canon finally making a mirrorless interchangeable lens camera makes you wonder when they will abandon SLRs all together. If I am not mistaken it took Canon 5 years to transition from FD mount to EF mount.

So what do you think? Will we be seeing our beloved gear become yesterday's news or a decades old survivor?

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To be fair here.....look at Olympus....

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alexturton said:

now this is a canon 3d!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexturton/6942558872/#

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Ok, lets be serious for a minute. This MUST be photoshopped, and can't be the Canon 3D for the following reasons:

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[*]the mounts are too close together to mount most lenses
[*]there is no lens release button for the camera-right lens mount, unless they figure someone is going to juggle simultaneous lens ejections [wait, that didn't sound right...]
[*]the tag on the body says 7D mark II.
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Forget the 7DII typo. This was a quick turnaround prototype. Soon you will see twin barrel lenses that are press fit to lock!

You will not be able to use old glass on this monster. How do you think companies make money hand over fist?

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dilbert said:

http://littleshop.physics.colostate.edu/activities/atmos1/ColorAndCooling.pdf[/url]

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I believe you got it wrong

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Nope, dilbert is correct about the cooling rates, although the statement about silver vs. any other color in the link he posted may be a bit misleading. While it's true that painted metal will cool faster than the unpainted metal, metal painted black will cool faster than metal painted white. But, dilbert also makes an incorrect assumption, which renders his conclusion invalid:

dilbert said:

The interesting thing about white vs black is that if a white and black lens are both at the same temperature after being in the sun for some period of time then the black lens will return to a room temperature quicker than the light coloured one if they are both then taken into an air conditioned building.

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A black lens and a white lens in the sun for the same long period of time will NOT be the same temperature - the white lens will be cooler. In the sun, the temperature of each lens will rise until the heat gain from absorption reaches equilibrium with heat loss due to emission and conduction/convection. That equilibrium will occur at a lower temperature for the white lens (as much as 30-40% lower), due to lower heat gain because of the reflectivity of the white paint. So, when both lenses are taken into that air conditioned building, although the black lens will cool at a slightly faster rate, the white lens has less heat to lose, and thus will reach room temperature sooner.

heres a few more from harbin

KyleSTL said:

If Canon were to release a new 400 f/5.6L with all the latest features (v. 4 IS, weathersealing, modern build quality and materials, better MFD, etc) what do you think the cost would be? I think it would have to remain below the price of a 70-200 IS II, but I could definitely see it coming close to $1800 or so given Canon's recent price structure.

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Considering the 400L f/5.6 USM is around US$ 1300 and the 500L f/4 IS II USM is US$ 10,400ish and the 400L f/2.8 USM IS II is around US$ 11,000 then I would imagine that any new lens in the 400 f/5,6L range would be somewhere in the middle.

Don't forget that rather silly 100-400 with the built in extender is rumoured to cost a staggering US$ 10,XXX. Which imho is just mad.

But like someone said, if Canon were to do such a lens it is more likely to be f/4 than f/5.6 as most would want to stick a TC on it.

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I tought this might be interresting.

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Thanks for the link, I really wonder what's keeping them, probably either they have encountered some problem while reviewing the 6d or they think the 6d is not very hot so it's ok to postpone the full review - let's see...

Created a secret page under my website to post all the 6D's sample photos..

http://www.marcellorodarte.com/artstudio/

This is gonna be the same page I'm planning to do a review from the new "40 bucks" MEIKE GRIP from Ebay..
I'm still waiting for the arrival.. 22 days and no lucky!