Considering how the Ai image processing is advancing rapidly I presume that canon is just leaning into that expecting AI processing to replace large mpx sensors. The inboxy upscale is good sign where they are going with it.
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Canon officially announces the EOS R1 and EOS R5 Mark II
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There are plenty of observations of the FX3 overheating out there. Where does this thinking come from? (That's rhetorical, I know where)
Sony's own literature says it will overheat and has time limitation recommendations.
I learned today from an R52 demo, that it prerecords in 4K120p, something only RED cameras have been able to do. That's pretty cool eh?
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Do you think that there is realistic chance of a software update bringing 8K oversampled 4K60p to the R5 II?
The R5C has 8K oversampled 4K60p WITH THE EXACT SAME IMAGE PROCESSOR!
There is no reason why the R5 II shouldn’t be capable of 8K oversampled 4K60p with the active cooling grip!
So this is clearly an artificial limitation from Canon unnecessarily crippling the R5 II
Could you please ask around if Canon plans to add this via a firmware update.
Even some Canon employees are confused because Canon seemingly cut this feature very recently. Even the Canon website ( https://www.canon-europe.com/pro/news/meet-eos-r1-and-eos-r5-mark-ii/ ) still says that the R5 II is capable of 8K oversampled 4K 60p („Canon EOS R5 Mark II offers 8K RAW at 60fps and 4K at up to 120p, plus 4K 60p oversampled from 8K.") which is unfortunately not true
Canon might simply not want the R5 Mark II to have this feature to leave room for another camera (market segmentation) so they artificially limit the R5 II as it‘d be „too good“ otherwise.
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Do you think that there is realistic chance of a software update bringing 8K oversampled 4K60p to the R5 II?
The R5C has 8K oversampled 4K60p WITH THE EXACT SAME IMAGE PROCESSOR!
There is no reason why the R5 II shouldn’t be capable of 8K oversampled 4K60p with the active cooling grip!
So this is clearly an artificial limitation from Canon unnecessarily crippling the R5 II
Could you please ask around if Canon plans to add this via a firmware update.
Even some Canon employees are confused because Canon seemingly cut this feature very recently. Even the Canon website ( https://www.canon-europe.com/pro/news/meet-eos-r1-and-eos-r5-mark-ii/ ) still says that the R5 II is capable of 8K oversampled 4K 60p („Canon EOS R5 Mark II offers 8K RAW at 60fps and 4K at up to 120p, plus 4K 60p oversampled from 8K.") which is unfortunately not true
Canon might simply not want the R5 Mark II to have this feature to leave room for another camera (market segmentation) so they artificially limit the R5 II as it‘d be „too good“ otherwise.
So, I was privy to a conversation between Canon and a retailer and one of the things mentioned is that both the R1 and R52 software has been completely redone to allow easier feature additions. I don't believe either of these cameras are complete and we're going to see a lot of firmware additions once they've been used in the real world.
As always, there will be bugs, but more importantly, there will be input and Canon does listen to input.
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Even all the Canon Europe employees at the official presentation/event for the R1 and R5 II in Munich, Germany didn’t know what was going on.
THEIR OWN press release even said that 8K oversampled 4K60p was going to be a feature!
So WHY has 8K oversampled 4K60p been cut from the R5 II? It doesn’t make sense! The exact same image processor can handle it in the R5C and we even have an active cooling grip!
—> I would really appreciate you reaching out to some of your sources to find out if there is a realistic chance of a future firmware update bringing back 8K oversampled 4K60p to the R5 II.
Canon must’ve changed course very recently as even their own website still says the R5 II can do it ( https://www.canon-europe.com/pro/news/meet-eos-r1-and-eos-r5-mark-ii/ )
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I linked the video of a German YouTuber who attended the official Canon presentation. He talks about it starting from minute 21:06 until 22:10 and he. It's in German but you can read the original press release which is in English (he shows it at minute 21:28). This was what Canon originally put out but they changed course last minute surprising even their own employees. https://youtu.be/GOuqv4x99Uo?si=kto346VoMpeBBIlU&t=1288
This is an extremely frustrating move by Canon. Artificially crippling a camera is a really bad look. And the chances of a future firmware update bringing back this feature are pretty low if they simply don’t want this feature to be included. Maybe they just don’t want the camera to be „too good“ to leave room for a potential R5C Mark II. Market segmentation
but why do their official press release say it’d be included and even their website does still to this minute! It doesn’t make sense!
So it’d really mean a lot if you could ask your sources for more info on this! I already reached out to Canon Germany but who am I… you could probably find out a little more than me
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I linked the video of a German YouTuber who attended the official Canon presentation. He talks about it starting from minute 21:06 until 22:10 and he. It's in German but you can read the original press release which is in English (he shows it at minute 21:28). This was what Canon originally put out but they changed course last minute surprising even their own employees. https://youtu.be/GOuqv4x99Uo?si=kto346VoMpeBBIlU&t=1288
This is an extremely frustrating move by Canon. Artificially crippling a camera is a really bad look. And the chances of a future firmware update bringing back this feature are pretty low if they simply don’t want this feature to be included. Maybe they just don’t want the camera to be „too good“ to leave room for a potential R5C Mark II. Market segmentation
but why do their official press release say it’d be included and even their website does still to this minute! It doesn’t make sense!
So it’d really mean a lot if you could ask your sources for more info on this! I already reached out to Canon Germany but who am I… you could probably find out a little more than me
Well, pulling a feature usually means they found something wrong. Would you rather something buggy? I wouldn't worry about it, there could be a firmware update soon after a release of the camera.
Canon has had some issues with buggy firmware updates over the last few years, so hopefully the new software development philosophy is going to help prevent that stuff.
We still have a month or so before the camera hits store shelves, they will be working on the software.
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But wouldn’t they have said something about it if they are actually planning to add this feature via a firmware update?
Maybe you can ask around a little bit and let us know if anybody can tell you more about it. There shouldn’t be a technical reason for it as the same image process handles it in the R5C and we have active cooling.
That’s why I fear that it was a last-minute decision to artificially limit the R5 Mark II to leave room for another camera. Maybe they want this feature to be exclusive to a potential R5C Mark II…..
I get your point but they could’ve simply said that this feature will be unlocked by a future firmware update. They didn’t do that though despite leaving it on the official Canon website and in their press release. Something seems a little off.
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They have a 45mp sensor, the largest FF out there right now is 60mp... that's 15% without a lens attached, the image resolution itself would probably be around 7% more with a lens. No one will ever noticed that.
As for the R1, 24mp is what explorers, cps, and pros wanted. They don't read the forums.
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Each subsidiary is independent and there has always been things lost in translation or told to one and not another. You saw it yesterday with different marketing and features mentioned. This isn't new.
The fabled "cripple hammer" isn't at play here.
Canon does sometimes announce firmware updates beforehand, but yesterday was about the cameras, give them a minute.
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I hope you’re right!
thank you for your thoughts on this!Maybe you could write a CanonRumors article about this to „shake the rumor tree“ or ask around yourself to find out more about what exactly is going on here in regards to 8K oversampled 4K60p and how some thought it’d be included and others didn’t. As I said. Even Canon employees didn’t know what was going on. It’s all a little confusing and knowing that 8K oversampled 4K60p was coming would be really good to know. Even if it’s gonna take months just knowing that Canon is actively working on it would be amazing!
A confirmation from Canon that there is at least a chance of a firmware update bringing back this feature would put many minds at ease.
Thanks a lot in advance
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I hope you’re right!
Maybe you could write a CanonRumors article about this to „shake the rumor tree“ or ask around yourself to find out more about what exactly is going on here in regards to 8K oversampled 4K60p and how some thought it’d be included and others didn’t. As I said. Even Canon employees didn’t know what was going on. It’s all a little confusing and knowing that 8K oversampled 4K60p was coming would be really good to know. Even if it’s gonna take months just knowing that Canon is actively working on it would be amazing!
A confirmation from Canon that there is at least a chance of a firmware update bringing back this feature would put many minds at ease.
Thanks a lot in advance
We're working on a "things Canon marketing missed" and there are a bunch of things.
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Interesting! I‘m not willing to give up hope for an „8K oversampled 4K60p firmware update“ just yet.
Fingers crossed!
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I use A7siii in my production sometimes and I mainly use Canon. A7sIII will overheat but you really have to push it outside of traditional workflows to do so and fx 3 has even better cooling so I presume those occasions are rare and most of the happen cause people don’t turn high temperature mode on. With R5mk2 it seams at least according to released numbers it overheats quickly in some modes. Which is logical considering the data it pushes and I’m ok with that that’s the reason I preordered one but I do think canon can and should provide a 6k camera in a smaller body that could avoid it and compete with fx3 and a7siii. The only thing I’m disappointed with R5mk2 is no oversampled 4k60. Hope they will correct this with future firmware updates.
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The marketing department did its job terrible form obviously not knowing their lineup in the presentation and claiming for few ting that they first while some cameras already had it.
Especially the videos from the Canon USA lack quality in both information and actually production. It is a shame that a camera company has such a terrible look of their presentations. The c400 one was looking as it was shoot in a basement by a student.
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The only reason I didn’t preorder was that the inclusion of 8K oversampled 4K60p was really important to me.
I was also a little sad to see that the built-in *** rumor didn’t materialize but 8K oversampled 4K60p does make a big difference and not only the competition (Nikon Z8/Z9) offered it years ago but also Canons very own R5C was capable of it with the exact same image processor so I was extremely surprised to see them cut this feature!
I‘ll buy the R5 Mark II as soon as Canon confirms that a firmware update will bring 8K oversampled 4K60p to R5 II!
There is no technical reason why it shouldn’t be possible. Come on Canon!
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I will bug a few reps about the removal, but I simply think it was broken in some way.
They totally botched the information side of things. Maybe allowing leaks would help, instead of trying to catch people with differing information.
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But that would mean that there is a realistic chance of 8K oversampled 4K60p being added via a firmware update, right? They won’t add it if it was the „cripple hammer“ but if it was only broken they can simply fix it and give us a firmware update.
Maybe you can find out if they’re planning to bring it back or if they actually want to artificially limit the R5 II.
I‘ll buy the R5 Mark II as soon as Canon confirms that a firmware update will bring 8K oversampled 4K60p to R5 II!
There is no technical reason why it shouldn’t be possible. Come on Canon!
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You might want to capture a bird flying off or something like this in 4K120p but you obviously don’t know when that would happen and you don’t want to record for 10 minutes in 4K120p but with prerecord you can just wait for it to fly off and then react and you’ll still have gotten the shot!
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