The Canon EOS R5 Mark II will not function with third-party batteries

[clarus]

This makes me happy that 3 of the 4 spare LP-E6NHs I have are Canon branded, the other one is a smallrig one with a USB-C socket.
Looks like my trusty old 7D will start using that smallrig battery

I really love the convenience of not having to use a charger, everything accepts USB-C PD! In that respect, the EL-5 I’m considering is a huge step backwards: custom batteries, no USB-C option

Exactly, love the usb-c port because I can charge the batteries easily in the car. My intention was to use these smallrig batteries exclusively, but oh well...

 

[OldDudePhotog]

Yeah I think the brands with a good reputation are fine. I have also seen others say the third party batteries from good companies last longer.

Canon themselves don't make the cells, but I'm not sure who they get them from.

My R3 batteries are dying at a a rate I think is too fast. One is at 60% after 6 months of use....

Ouch, I have not really paid that much attention to my R3 batteries, now that I read this, I am curious as to how my batteries are faring. When I go on a cross-country shoot I typically shoot a battery till I get to about half its capacity then change, these events usually last about 3-4 hours total but I shoot 4-9k pictures during this time depending on the course and whether the course has a section they run through twice. I have 4 batteries total for my R3, 2 of them are canon, and the other 2 are 3rd party.

 

[Canon Rumors]

Ouch, I have not really paid that much attention to my R3 batteries, now that I read this, I am curious as to how my batteries are faring. When I go on a cross-country shoot I typically shoot a battery till I get to about half its capacity then change, these events usually last about 3-4 hours total but I shoot 4-9k pictures during this time depending on the course and whether the course has a section they run through twice. I have 4 batteries total for my R3, 2 of them are canon, and the other 2 are 3rd party.

Yeah, let me know.

I didn't even know there were third party LP-E19 batteries. I just checked Amazon... I can't believe how cheap the Wasabi batteries are. I don't see any brands that I'd roll with.

I'd worry that they don't give the boost for the RF 400 2.8.

 

[OldDudePhotog]

Yeah, let me know.

I didn't even know there were third party LP-E19 batteries.

Here are the 3rd party batteries I have been using.

Amazon.com

I did get one that would not charge but returned it and the replacement charged just fine, other than that I have not had any issues that I can recall.

 

[Canon Rumors]

Here are the 3rd party batteries I have been using.

Amazon.com

I did get one that would not charge but returned it and the replacement charged just fine, other than that I have not had any issues that I can recall.

Well, it's cheap enough to give it a go. I can see if I notice any sort of AF speed difference with the 400.

I doubt I will... But if I do just use it with other stuff. I do a lot of 4k 120 of basketball games (for game film sit downs), I wonder if that brings about death quicker.

 

[OldDudePhotog]

Well, it's cheap enough to give it a go. I can see if I notice any sort of AF speed difference with the 400.

I doubt I will... But if I do just use it with other stuff. I do a lot of 4k 120 of basketball games (for game film sit downs), I wonder if that brings about death quicker.

No idea, I just shot my first video with any of my cameras last Wednesday, I was shooting a workout set with a college-bound athlete and they wanted a video of one of their sprints. I usually use gopros for video as I can set them on tripods on either side of the running path and get both angles and start/stop them with remotes. the video was only about 10 seconds long, way too short for any analysis of performance.

 

[R.kuz]

Does this effect the use of a v-mount/dummy battery set up? Would functionality be limited? Sorry if this is a dumb question lol

 

[Halfmoon]

Really do not think it is worth buying cheap batteries that may *fry*/damage your body mainboard....

Have always used original since those 3rd party batteries do not hold the charge well also....

 

[OldDudePhotog]

Really do not think it is worth buying cheap batteries that may *fry*/damage your body mainboard....

Have always used original since those 3rd party batteries do not hold the charge well also....

I have heard these statements before and think there is some validity to them. Perhaps I have been very lucky with mine and have not encountered either of those issues. I am not overly concerned with damaging my cameras at the moment as I always buy mine through Best Buy and purchase the 4-year damage and replacement plan that essentially states if anything goes wrong with the camera, I bring them what is left of it, and they hand me a new camera.

 

[Canon Rumors]

I have heard these statements before and think there is some validity to them. Perhaps I have been very lucky with mine and have not encountered either of those issues. I am not overly concerned with damaging my cameras at the moment as I always buy mine through Best Buy and purchase the 4-year damage and replacement plan that essentially states if anything goes wrong with the camera, I bring them what is left of it, and they hand me a new camera.

Well, it's a fact that some third-party batteries last longer when shooting and degrade slower than the OEM batteries.

Canon doesn't make battery cells, so what are we buying at a higher price? I do usually recommend OEM batteries, but those USB-C port batteries are cool.

Yes, the LP-E6P is a different story with its apparent power delivery differences, but I can't find any articulation on how the battery works.

 

[Marximusprime]

I have two Neewer batteries that I used when the R5 came out and the LP E6Ns were scarce. Their ability to do high-speed bursts drops pretty quickly (around 70%, I think), so I don't use them for wildlife, but they're fine for regular shooting. This news about the R5 II is disappointing, and another excuse for me not to replace my R5. It'd have to be a pretty substantial leap for me to drop $4500 on a body.

 

[OldDudePhotog]

I have two Neewer batteries that I used when the R5 came out and the LP E6Ns were scarce. Their ability to do high-speed bursts drops pretty quickly (around 70%, I think), so I don't use them for wildlife, but they're fine for regular shooting. This news about the R5 II is disappointing, and another excuse for me not to replace my R5. It'd have to be a pretty substantial leap for me to drop $4500 on a body.

I have those as well but have not noticed this drop-off, but I have also not used the R5 for continuous bust for quite a while now as I shoot sports with my R3 due to the AF advantage and the R5 issue with the EVF lagging when shooting bust. I am very hopeful the r5m2 fixes this issue but with the 3rd party battery issue, I may have to use only OEM batteries for the time being.

I also only used the grip with 2 batteries installed which may reduce or eliminate the issue, do you use the grip or body and single battery only?

 

[koenkooi]

Does this effect the use of a v-mount/dummy battery set up? Would functionality be limited? Sorry if this is a dumb question lol

If those can’t provide more current than they do now, you will be affected. I suspect existing solutions have enough headroom, but you’d need to have someone check the exact combination to be sure.

The cheap USB to dummy battery solutions on amazon/aliexpress will have to work a lot harder, v-mount setups will likely not even notice the extra current draw.

 

[john1970]

I have never used third party batteries just in case they cause an issue. I realize that batteries might be in short supply initially, but eventually they will arrive.

 

[David_B]

I understand that the new 6P battery may be requires for high fps shooting and some 8k modes, but selection of fine image quality, preshooting, and hdmi raw output? Stop trying to turn cameras into printers!

Canon taking a few notes from what HP does ... HP is not well liked because of that.

HP sued (again) for blocking third-party ink from printers, accused of monopoly

Suit seeks injunction blocking HP from bricking printers using third-party ink.

arstechnica.com

 

[PinholeR5]

This is "interesting". I'm also one who is a big fan of the SmallRig USB-C batteries. I use them for travel quite extensively. I like the three battery setup where I take one in the camera, one backup in the pocket/bag and one stays in the hotel charging (which sometimes requires some tricks in those hotels where you need to put the card in a slot to get power to the room).

The higher voltage in the battery is nice as it makes it easier to deliver more power. I can see where that would easily make some third-party batteries not work based on sensing for that. However, since it works with older LP-E6N / PL-E6NH batteries, this means there must be something more than just sensing voltage at play here.

From a technical point of view they could have lock it down to their brand only, if they wanted to, with some cryptographic techniques. However, there are two issues:

1 - Older LP-E6N / PL-E6NH Canon batteries either shipped with these cryptographic capabilities and they were just dormant until now or battery vendors will be able to reverse engineer solutions to make their batteries work as LP-E6N / PL-E6NH batteries.
2 - Legally, as some mentioned, this might be an issue and perhaps some geographies (please help us out EU) might require the option for third-party batteries.

It will be interesting to see what will happen with the R1. No battery change there. So, whatever change they do will have to work with existing LP-E19 batteries that have been shipping for a long time! This means they will likely have to rely on techniques that can be reverse engineered. If they are locking out 7/6/5 series cameras from third-party batteries (assuming R6 III, R7 II have the same "featurea"), it would be even more logical for them to do it with 1/3 series cameras.

Now, perhaps that isn't much of a worry for them if folks who buy 1/3 series cameras don't purchase third-party batteries as much as 7/6/5 series camera owners do. I know I have plenty of third-party batteries for my 7/6/5 series bodies, but only Canon batteries for the R3.

We'll have to wait and see what happens.

 

[Canon Rumors]

Canon won't ever respond to me, but maybe this will get some traction and they'll make an official comment to someone else.

All that matters....is it on purpose? If it is, that's the end of third party batteries, they'll have come up with something to brick anyone that tries with firmware updates or something else.

I have a Dell XPS and I used to be able to use my Ugreen power bank at full power with and then a bios update killed that. I don't know how that process works.

This is my last XPS.

 

[dominic_siu]

I never and won’t use third party batteries for my camera, ever since 350D, 5D2, 5D4, R and R5. If anything goes wrong by using 3rd party batt, worth it?

 

[koenkooi]

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The higher voltage in the battery is nice as it makes it easier to deliver more power.

Practically speaking, the LP-EP batteries have the same voltage as the LP-E6NH ones, the change in the labeled voltage has more to do with how and when you measure than an actual difference.

The main change is that it can deliver twice the current, so you can drain it twice as fast.

 

[AJ]

Newsflash: the LP-E6P battery pack only accepts Canon (tm) electricity. Third-party electrons from the grid will be rejected and will cause the camera to shut down unexpectedly. Canon is rumored to be in talks with electricity company to license their electrons.