Report: New Canon Super Telephoto Lenses Coming in May

[neuroanatomist]

They already have a Zero extender for all lenses.

Yep, and it’s one of the cheapest Canon products!

 

[ThomasTH]

Yep, and it’s one of the cheapest Canon products!

But still more expensive than the Sony and Nikon version.

 

[justaCanonuser]

Just a brief update for those who followed my Nikon Z8 & Z 600mm f/6.3 PF (w and w/o 1.4x TC) versus R5 II & EF 600mm f/4.0 III (w and w/o 1.4x TC) AF issues and are interested in my reports. My wife and I found, that the Z8 still offers in their AF menu an option to micro adjust its AF to a lens, in contrast to Canon's ML cameras (as far as I know). So that was a strong hint, that Nikon's AF system even in the age of ML cameras may need AFMA. I dusted off my old Spyder Lenscal and we found indeed, that the Z8 & Z 600mm f/6.3 PF had a massive back-focus, with 1.4x TC even worse. So we AFMA'd the system for both combos. Unfortunately, since then there was no chance to really test this combo with birds, due to bad weather and a lack of time, so we still have to wait for real world results. Of course, we do hope we'll see a substantial improvement.

So, what do we learn from that? Obviously, Nikon's AF system seems to work much more like the old DSLRs, in contrast to Canon's DPAF based system, since there is still an option - and sometimes a strong need - for AFMA. When I have more time, I will try to do a little research to find more in-depth information about Nikon's Z AF system. What I have in mind is that the AF system of Nikon's first Z cameras got a lot of bad reviews, just with about the arrival of the Z9 and later Z8 the test results improved substantially.

 

[john1970]

Historically, Canon tends to announce professional grade big white telephoto lenses in the spring so a May announcement would be consistent with past behavior. For example, the Canon RF 100-300 mm f2.8 was announced on April 20, 2023.

 

[justaCanonuser]

Historically, Canon tends to announce professional grade big white telephoto lenses in the spring so a May announcement would be consistent with past behavior. For example, the Canon RF 100-300 mm f2.8 was announced on April 20, 2023.

I'd only be skeptical if the announcement would be April, 1st

 

[justaCanonuser]

Due to a lack of time, I asked Perplexity (what I prefer since several years now over ChatGPT) why Nikon's Z system still offers AFMA and Canon's not, and explained in my prompt our specific AF problems with our Z8 & Z 600mm f/6.3 PF combo (with and w/o 1.4x TC). Perplexity's answer might be interesting for some nerds (like me) here:

Nikon Z cameras still offer AF fine-tuning because mirrorless autofocus is not automatically immune to optical tolerances. The camera can focus on the sensor plane very accurately, but a given camera/lens/teleconverter combination can still show small mechanical or optical offsets, especially when a teleconverter is added and the effective aperture gets smaller.[1][2]

Why the adjustment exists

The main reason is that focus accuracy is not just a software problem; it is also affected by lens design, manufacturing tolerances, adapter/teleconverter alignment, and how the camera interprets phase-detect data. Even in mirrorless, the system can be “close but not perfect” for a specific lens combination, so Nikon keeps fine-tune as a correction layer for edge cases and for users who need maximum precision.[3][2][1]

With long lenses, wide apertures, and teleconverters, the depth of field becomes very thin, so even a tiny offset looks like obvious backfocus or frontfocus. That is why a birding setup can seem fine in general use but still miss consistently on small distant subjects.[4][3]

Nikon vs Canon approach

Canon’s RF mirrorless system is generally more self-correcting in practice because Canon has leaned heavily on on-sensor phase detection and lens communication designed as a tightly integrated mirrorless platform. Nikon’s Z system also uses on-sensor phase detection, but Nikon still exposes AF fine-tune because it allows compensating for residual per-lens/per-body/per-converter variation rather than assuming every combination is perfect out of the box.[5][1]

The key difference is not simply “Canon has dual pixel, Nikon does not.” It is more about how each manufacturer implements lens-body calibration, predictive AF behavior, and tolerance management across the whole optical chain. Canon’s system tends to hide more of that from the user; Nikon gives the user a manual correction tool when the combination is off.[2][1]

Your specific setup

A Z8 plus Z 600mm f/6.3 PF plus TC 1.4x should normally focus well, so a “massive backfocus” points to an out-of-spec combination, a teleconverter/lens alignment issue, a body/lens calibration mismatch, or a focus-shift behavior that becomes visible only at the longer effective focal length and smaller maximum aperture. The fact that the issue appears both with and without the TC suggests the base lens/body calibration is already off, and the TC may be exaggerating it rather than causing it alone.[6][7][4]

Practical interpretation

So the short answer is: Nikon keeps micro-adjustment because mirrorless AF is not mathematically perfect for every optical combination, and Nikon chooses to let users compensate for residual system error. Canon’s RF system often feels more automatic because Canon’s implementation relies more on integrated on-sensor focusing and hides calibration differences better, but it is not because mirrorless AF fundamentally cannot need calibration.[1][5][2]

A useful rule of thumb is that if one Nikon Z lens or lens-plus-TC combo needs a large correction, that is usually a sign to test the lens, TC, and body separately, because the camera is compensating for a real mismatch rather than a normal tuning quirk.[8][6]

My personal conclusion: looks like we'd have to send this combo to Nikon's service because of too big production tolerances - typical Nikon's lousy quality, I have to say after many years of using Canon and Nikon gear side by side

 

[AlanF]

Due to a lack of time, I asked Perplexity (what I prefer since several years now over ChatGPT) why Nikon's Z system still offers AFMA and Canon's not, and explained in my prompt our specific AF problems with our Z8 & Z 600mm f/6.3 PF combo (with and w/o 1.4x TC). Perplexity's answer might be interesting for some nerds (like me) here:

Nikon Z cameras still offer AF fine-tuning because mirrorless autofocus is not automatically immune to optical tolerances. The camera can focus on the sensor plane very accurately, but a given camera/lens/teleconverter combination can still show small mechanical or optical offsets, especially when a teleconverter is added and the effective aperture gets smaller.[1][2]

Why the adjustment exists

The main reason is that focus accuracy is not just a software problem; it is also affected by lens design, manufacturing tolerances, adapter/teleconverter alignment, and how the camera interprets phase-detect data. Even in mirrorless, the system can be “close but not perfect” for a specific lens combination, so Nikon keeps fine-tune as a correction layer for edge cases and for users who need maximum precision.[3][2][1]

With long lenses, wide apertures, and teleconverters, the depth of field becomes very thin, so even a tiny offset looks like obvious backfocus or frontfocus. That is why a birding setup can seem fine in general use but still miss consistently on small distant subjects.[4][3]

Nikon vs Canon approach

Canon’s RF mirrorless system is generally more self-correcting in practice because Canon has leaned heavily on on-sensor phase detection and lens communication designed as a tightly integrated mirrorless platform. Nikon’s Z system also uses on-sensor phase detection, but Nikon still exposes AF fine-tune because it allows compensating for residual per-lens/per-body/per-converter variation rather than assuming every combination is perfect out of the box.[5][1]

The key difference is not simply “Canon has dual pixel, Nikon does not.” It is more about how each manufacturer implements lens-body calibration, predictive AF behavior, and tolerance management across the whole optical chain. Canon’s system tends to hide more of that from the user; Nikon gives the user a manual correction tool when the combination is off.[2][1]

Your specific setup

A Z8 plus Z 600mm f/6.3 PF plus TC 1.4x should normally focus well, so a “massive backfocus” points to an out-of-spec combination, a teleconverter/lens alignment issue, a body/lens calibration mismatch, or a focus-shift behavior that becomes visible only at the longer effective focal length and smaller maximum aperture. The fact that the issue appears both with and without the TC suggests the base lens/body calibration is already off, and the TC may be exaggerating it rather than causing it alone.[6][7][4]

Practical interpretation

So the short answer is: Nikon keeps micro-adjustment because mirrorless AF is not mathematically perfect for every optical combination, and Nikon chooses to let users compensate for residual system error. Canon’s RF system often feels more automatic because Canon’s implementation relies more on integrated on-sensor focusing and hides calibration differences better, but it is not because mirrorless AF fundamentally cannot need calibration.[1][5][2]

A useful rule of thumb is that if one Nikon Z lens or lens-plus-TC combo needs a large correction, that is usually a sign to test the lens, TC, and body separately, because the camera is compensating for a real mismatch rather than a normal tuning quirk.[8][6]

My personal conclusion: looks like we'd have to send this combo to Nikon's service because of too big production tolerances - typical Nikon's lousy quality, I have to say after many years of using Canon and Nikon gear side by side

I used Reiken Focal for may years to AFMA DSLRs. They still produce their software for mirrorless, which is basically a waste of time for Canon as it just gives some limited information, but it does work with Nikon AFMA, and they explain why and the improvements. https://www.reikanfocal.com/why-nikon-mirrorless.html

It was very good indeed for DSLRs and I found it invaluable and the quickest and most accurate AFMA tool.

 

[Marc73]

Since, the current 400 & 600 primes are EF lenses adapted to the RF mount; their due for a refresh. Before the world cup would make sense, but that doesn't mean they will do it.

As for a switchable teleconverter; I would prefer a completely separate unit. That way it can be used on other lenses and when it's needed. A built in teleconverter adds weight, length, and cost to the lens. I only need 1.4, not a fan of a 2.0 teleconverters ( my personal opinion). They have a working switchable teleconverter from the EF 200-400mm, that has shown reliability for years. Why haven't they adapted this into a separate teleconverter; there is no doubt in my mind it would sell. I would buy it. SEE DISCUSSION BELOW. I've learned you can't make a generic separate switchable teleconverter.

In my opinion, since the introduction of the RF mount Canon has put the long glass needs on the back burner. During this time, Sony & Nikon have developed better options and it's time for Canon to step up. The classic example is the gap between the 100-500mm and 400/600mm primes in the "L" series lenses. If you want upgrade to 600mm or faster glass from your 100-500, your ONLY option is a $13 to 14k prime. Then there is the mythical 300-600mm that has been teased for years. This would be a great wildlife lens, if their smart enough to make it a variable aperture of f4 to 5.6. For those of us that shoot in low light and want better bokeh; a fixed f5.6 aperture is unacceptable at the 300 to 400mm range for the anticipated price of at least 7K.

What about the 200-800mm?

 

[justaCanonuser]

I used Reiken Focal for may years to AFMA DSLRs. They still produce their software for mirrorless, which is basically a waste of time for Canon as it just gives some limited information, but it does work with Nikon AFMA, and they explain why and the improvements. https://www.reikanfocal.com/why-nikon-mirrorless.html

It was very good indeed for DSLRs and I found it invaluable and the quickest and most accurate AFMA tool.

Thanks for this valuable tip, Alan. I called today the local Nikon service, they will check the combo, I have just to find a time slot to visit them. They promised they can do this service while I am waiting. Let's see what Nikon's experts tell us.

 

[justaCanonuser]

A lightweight RF 500 mm f4 would be great as well and a nice surprise.

I bet that we never see again any new 500 mm f/4.0 prime from Canon! It wouldn't make sense since the 600mm f/4.0 lenses are so light now, and keeping two production lines that would cannibalize each other of such prime lenses wouldn't make sense economically.

Looking at Canon's recent strategy it is more probable that may see a new tele zoom covering the 500mm range in future what is faster than f/7.1 at the long end...

 

[Dragon]

Due to a lack of time, I asked Perplexity (what I prefer since several years now over ChatGPT) why Nikon's Z system still offers AFMA and Canon's not, and explained in my prompt our specific AF problems with our Z8 & Z 600mm f/6.3 PF combo (with and w/o 1.4x TC). Perplexity's answer might be interesting for some nerds (like me) here:

Nikon Z cameras still offer AF fine-tuning because mirrorless autofocus is not automatically immune to optical tolerances. The camera can focus on the sensor plane very accurately, but a given camera/lens/teleconverter combination can still show small mechanical or optical offsets, especially when a teleconverter is added and the effective aperture gets smaller.[1][2]

Why the adjustment exists

The main reason is that focus accuracy is not just a software problem; it is also affected by lens design, manufacturing tolerances, adapter/teleconverter alignment, and how the camera interprets phase-detect data. Even in mirrorless, the system can be “close but not perfect” for a specific lens combination, so Nikon keeps fine-tune as a correction layer for edge cases and for users who need maximum precision.[3][2][1]

With long lenses, wide apertures, and teleconverters, the depth of field becomes very thin, so even a tiny offset looks like obvious backfocus or frontfocus. That is why a birding setup can seem fine in general use but still miss consistently on small distant subjects.[4][3]

Nikon vs Canon approach

Canon’s RF mirrorless system is generally more self-correcting in practice because Canon has leaned heavily on on-sensor phase detection and lens communication designed as a tightly integrated mirrorless platform. Nikon’s Z system also uses on-sensor phase detection, but Nikon still exposes AF fine-tune because it allows compensating for residual per-lens/per-body/per-converter variation rather than assuming every combination is perfect out of the box.[5][1]

The key difference is not simply “Canon has dual pixel, Nikon does not.” It is more about how each manufacturer implements lens-body calibration, predictive AF behavior, and tolerance management across the whole optical chain. Canon’s system tends to hide more of that from the user; Nikon gives the user a manual correction tool when the combination is off.[2][1]

Your specific setup

A Z8 plus Z 600mm f/6.3 PF plus TC 1.4x should normally focus well, so a “massive backfocus” points to an out-of-spec combination, a teleconverter/lens alignment issue, a body/lens calibration mismatch, or a focus-shift behavior that becomes visible only at the longer effective focal length and smaller maximum aperture. The fact that the issue appears both with and without the TC suggests the base lens/body calibration is already off, and the TC may be exaggerating it rather than causing it alone.[6][7][4]

Practical interpretation

So the short answer is: Nikon keeps micro-adjustment because mirrorless AF is not mathematically perfect for every optical combination, and Nikon chooses to let users compensate for residual system error. Canon’s RF system often feels more automatic because Canon’s implementation relies more on integrated on-sensor focusing and hides calibration differences better, but it is not because mirrorless AF fundamentally cannot need calibration.[1][5][2]

A useful rule of thumb is that if one Nikon Z lens or lens-plus-TC combo needs a large correction, that is usually a sign to test the lens, TC, and body separately, because the camera is compensating for a real mismatch rather than a normal tuning quirk.[8][6]

My personal conclusion: looks like we'd have to send this combo to Nikon's service because of too big production tolerances - typical Nikon's lousy quality, I have to say after many years of using Canon and Nikon gear side by side

The calibration for individual differences really doesn't make sense. Sensor PDAF is measuring at the point of focus so there should be no errors. If there is some residual error in the PD algorithm when concatenated with a particular lens, then fine tuning via CDAF on first use should clean that up and that may be what Canon is doing. An algorithm that starts from far OOF and tries to make it all the way in one shot clearly could have some issues, but with modern fast sensors, multiple focus checks as the lens motor is homing in seem logical. Contrary to the AI response, I would say Nikon has a software problem.