Canon to Announce Another “World’s First” at Some Point This Year

The problem Canon had with the rf 135mm, is that the ef version was / is so strong. Sure the new lens is sharper, gains 1/3 stop in brightness and an image stabiliser. However, it’s larger and heavier. Plus is very expensive, you really have to want one to justify the rf version over the ef version. The EF version puts out really great images that are very similar to the rf version. For a lot of users who already have the ef version, there’s not a particularly strong enough reason to upgrade.
I had the EF 135mm f/2 and my RF 135mm f/1.8 is superior in nearly every way: image quality, AF speed, optical IS, ergonomics, build quality, weather sealing, shorter MFD, 1/3 stop faster (37% more light), better bokeh.
Weight is heavier but if you're using the EF-RF adapter(110gm) the difference is only 75gm.
The old lens is still a great lens and good value but depends if you want (and can afford) the best
 
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He meant my weird aversion to half- and third stops aperture in the name of the lens.

A 70-200mm F1.4 or F2 will never happen, but maybe a 70-180mm or something similar. Who knows.

I don´t believe Canon will make another PZ lens with an overlap to the RF 20-50mm, but I could imagine a PZ lens starting at 50mm to couple it with the existing lens. It is basically a question if there is a need for it. Since I don't shoot video at all/ that much, I can't really answer that question nor do I have an opinion about it.
I think the 20-50 is an extremely important lens or, more exactly, an extremely important architecture. It's the first interchangeable lens in a neat package whose focal length is designed to be controlled by the camera body. Previously Canon used a kludgy add-on to do that task. For photographers, this doesn't mean much. For video, this could kill camcorders. Furthermore, it's an L and comparatively cheap.

Regarding overlapping focal lengths, consider the 14/15-35 & 24-70/105, 24-105 & 70-200 and 70-200 & 100-400/500. Canon does this all the time, unlike Sigma that tends to have little or no overlap.
 
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I think the 20-50 is an extremely important lens or, more exactly, an extremely important architecture. It's the first interchangeable lens in a neat package whose focal length is designed to be controlled by the camera body. Previously Canon used a kludgy add-on to do that task. For photographers, this doesn't mean much. For video, this could kill camcorders. Furthermore, it's an L and comparatively cheap.
It'll be interesting to see what happens. I thought camcorders just had kind of a revival. Maybe Canon wants to profit from it instead of killing them of.
Regarding overlapping focal lengths, consider the 14/15-35 & 24-70/105, 24-105 & 70-200 and 70-200 & 100-400/500. Canon does this all the time, unlike Sigma that tends to have little or no overlap.
For the original F2.8 L trinity you're kind of right. There is an overlap between the UWA zoom and the standard zoom, but not for the telezoom. The 24-105mm wasn't really part of trinity, it was more of a "one-lens" set-up kind of thing instead of two lenses. For the EF mount there was and still is the EF 24-70mm F4 L. A lens which was never "brought over" (is that a correct term/ phrase?) to the RF mount. The f4 trinity also only had an overlap with the UWA and standard zoom.

Interestingly, the new f2.8 STM trinity doesn't have an overlap between the UWA zoom (16-28mm) and standard zoom (28-70mm) and believe it won´t have an overlap with the telezoom. Concerning the f2 zooms, they are harder to design and every focal length saved will save significantly more weight. Therefore, I hope (and actually believe) a F2 trinity won't have any overlap.

Of course, Sony went a different way and according to an article it was a design choice because research showed that there are more people willing to buy a 50-150mm F2 rather than two f2 zooms. This could happen to Canon too, but they usually do things differently anyway. Also, I believe they want to differentiate from Sonys offering. Beating that lens is pretty hard, but coming up with a different lens that can be market as "worlds first" is a pretty good answer. Therefore, I am hoping for a world´s first 70-180mm F2.
 
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It'll be interesting to see what happens. I thought camcorders just had kind of a revival. Maybe Canon wants to profit from it instead of killing them of.

For the original F2.8 L trinity you're kind of right. There is an overlap between the UWA zoom and the standard zoom, but not for the telezoom. The 24-105mm wasn't really part of trinity, it was more of a "one-lens" set-up kind of thing instead of two lenses. For the EF mount there was and still is the EF 24-70mm F4 L. A lens which was never "brought over" (is that a correct term/ phrase?) to the RF mount. The f4 trinity also only had an overlap with the UWA and standard zoom.

Interestingly, the new f2.8 STM trinity doesn't have an overlap between the UWA zoom (16-28mm) and standard zoom (28-70mm) and believe it won´t have an overlap with the telezoom. Concerning the f2 zooms, they are harder to design and every focal length saved will save significantly more weight. Therefore, I hope (and actually believe) a F2 trinity won't have any overlap.

Of course, Sony went a different way and according to an article it was a design choice because research showed that there are more people willing to buy a 50-150mm F2 rather than two f2 zooms. This could happen to Canon too, but they usually do things differently anyway. Also, I believe they want to differentiate from Sonys offering. Beating that lens is pretty hard, but coming up with a different lens that can be market as "worlds first" is a pretty good answer. Therefore, I am hoping for a world´s first 70-180mm F2.
Oh wow... a 70-180 f/2 would be a world's first on any mount! I wonder what size and weight it would have to be. Seems like a fantastic idea and I think would help solidify the Canon market and not so tempting to try Sony with its 50-150 f/2. And as you say, this would not have overlap since Sony does have a 28-70 f/2 so it overlaps the 50-150 f/2 by 20mm. But the Sony 28-70 f/2 is 36% lighter than Canon's version so that's a fair bit lighter (512 grams or 1.13 pounds). For anybody shooting for hours at a time that is a lot lighter to carry.
 
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Hope = deferred disappointment 😉
Germany sucked yesterday, but I kept watching because I hoped they'd turn it around. Ta-da, they actually did it. So sometimes, hope is not a deferred disappointment whether it is in sports, politics (look what the Hungarian people accomplished) and sometimes even for first-world-camera-wishes. :)
A 180mm f2 lens would need a front element with a 90mm diameter, that is about the size of the front element of the RF 200-800mm. Your wish lens will be big, heavy and very expensive.
Thx for the math. Honestly, I didn't realistically expect 180mm at the long end. But now you're telling me the diameter would be 90mm "only?" The lens will be smaller than the current RF 28-70mm f2 (100-104mm diameter depending on the source). The filter thread might also be smaller. I actually have hope for this lens now :)

If you're responding to my first initial post (sub 1kg) you're probably right. But for that focal length 1,2 kg would be ok. As long as the 24-70mm f2 is put on a diet.
 
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But the Sony 28-70 f/2 is 36% lighter than Canon's version so that's a fair bit lighter (512 grams or 1.13 pounds). For anybody shooting for hours at a time that is a lot lighter to carry.
Yes, Canon needs a diet for this lens. The weight (and a fair bit the bulk, too) has kept me from purchasing it because it just too heavy to carry it around. The weight of Sonys lens is intriguing and think Canon will be up to the task to accomplish building a successor with nearly the same specs concerning weight.
 
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Hope = deferred disappointment 😉. A 180mm f2 lens would need a front element with a 90mm diameter, that is about the size of the front element of the RF 200-800mm. Your wish lens will be big, heavy and very expensive.
If it's not 180mm they would have to do a 70-160 or 70-170mm f2.0 if they want to have the world first title.

As said they don't have a lot of margin to do such a lense.
 
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Thx for the math. Honestly, I didn't realistically expect 180mm at the long end. But now you're telling me the diameter would be 90mm "only?" The lens will be smaller than the current RF 28-70mm f2 (100-104mm diameter depending on the source). The filter thread might also be smaller. I actually have hope for this lens now :)
The front element of a 70-180/2 zoom would need to be 90 mm in diameter, or so. FYI, even though the 28-70/2 is a fat lens and takes 95mm filters, the actual front element is ‘only’ about 78 mm in diameter. But a 90 mm front element could work with a 95mm filter thread.
 
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The front element of a 70-180/2 zoom would need to be 90 mm in diameter, or so. FYI, even though the 28-70/2 is a fat lens and takes 95mm filters, the actual front element is ‘only’ about 78 mm in diameter. But a 90 mm front element could work with a 95mm filter thread.
My Sigma 10-18 APS-C lens, the filter size is 67mm but the front element is 35.5mm. At the other extreme Pentax used to make a 200 f/2.5 lens with a 77mm filter. Either it wasn't 200mm or it wasn't f/2.5 or both.
 
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