Canon Registers a Second Unreleased EOS R Camera

[mangobutter]

we need pocket size full frame and aps-c cameras. Think the EOS M6 line and equivalent 22-2 pancake. and a teeny tiny full frame box with a 40mm 2.8 pancake. i'd be in heaven if either came out.

EOS M6/M6 II were such rockstar cameras with superb controls and layout. a shame no successor. and the 22-2 pancake was so good.

Everyone else makes a FF box. why can't canon? Think Panasonic S9. I want my tiny Canon boxes with tiny lenses.

 

[HeavyPiper]

That's very much in the eye of the beholder.
What makes a camera pretty or even iconic?
My opinion is, that every tool that delivers best ergonomics is "pretty".

 

[DocInfoSci]

That's very much in the eye of the beholder.
What makes a camera pretty or even iconic?
My opinion is, that every tool that delivers best ergonomics is "pretty".


And even this design maybe finds people that will call it "pretty",
Not me, by the way.

Agreed! Honestly, I am mostly in the Canon system at this point because of their cameras. I keep periodically trying the others via friends and stores, but for me they look terrible (for the most part) and feel terrible. Most of Canon's new lenses are way overpriced for what they do, imho, but the camera bodies are absolutely terrific.

 

[John Wilde]

I thought that by now we were supposed to get "new improved" rumors about the next PowerShot.

 

[Dragon]

With all that has been said above, these look like they might be the anticipated PowerShot replacements. By all accounts, the PowerShot group has been rolled into the main camera group, so the listing numbers are likely ambiguous, and WiFi 4 makes more sense for a PowerShot than for an ILC. The recent Panasonic releases in this space have been uninspired and overpriced, and there is a big appetite in the market for a good compact or two. If Canon does a good job, new PowerShots could be a huge revenue opportunity.

 

[MkSprintz]

Canon has been rumored to be bringing out a Poweshot camera in 2026, and we know one is quite likely the Retro style R8ii. The second is likely the rumored Powershot camera.

 

[DocInfoSci]

Ah, it all comes together: The Canon R3 II is actually going to use a crop sensor — meaning it is also the R7 II; and it will be much smaller, like a pocket-sized full-grip square the size of a wallet — so it is also a Powershot; and in keeping with "3-series" tradition Canon will implement its new scent detection system for amazing AF control — but you probably need to calibrate it multiple times after eating different types of beans and tacos.

 

[scyrene]

Everyone else makes a FF box. why can't canon?

They doubtless can, so maybe they don't want to. Perhaps the niche is too small?

 

[mangobutter]

probably just other priorities. basically whatever makes the most money.

 

[roby17269]

Am I the only one here yearning for a hi-res stills focused camera

Me too! that's why I've bought the Hasselblad X2D II The number of options in the hi-res stills focused camera class does seem to be dwindling though.

that re establishes Canon’s image quality leadership and competes with the A7R vi? Canon is the 35mm lens manufacturer with the quality glass that can truly utilize a 100 mp sensor. Canon, please give me a reason to stay.

Not sure about the rest of your message. Nikon, Sony, L Mount, Sigma and others (Hasselblad anyone?) have great glass too. Every major and minor lens system out there has different pros and cons.

I've stopped complaining about Canon not catering for my desires and wants and have spent my money on non-Canon gear. I'm not bitter, and as soon as Canon will release something I like I will consider sending money their way again. In the meantime my R5 keeps pleasing me and my X2D II serves me well indeed when needed.

 

[Del Paso]

Me too! that's why I've bought the Hasselblad X2D II

Not sure about the rest of your message. Nikon, Sony, L Mount, Sigma and others (Hasselblad anyone?) have great glass too. Every major and minor lens system out there has different pros and cons.

I've stopped complaining about Canon not catering for my desires and wants and have spent my money on non-Canon gear. I'm not bitter, and as soon as Canon will release something I like I will consider sending money their way again. In the meantime my R5 keeps pleasing me and my X2D II serves me well indeed when needed.

I don't see it as complaining, only hoping for an often mentioned high MP EOS to become real.
Having experienced the difference between the EOS R's 30 MP and the R5 II's 45 MP, I am ready for more!

 

[roby17269]

I don't see it as complaining, only hoping for an often mentioned high MP EOS to become real.

I fail to see any material difference
I've been complaining a lot about Canon criminally ignoring the RF 35 1.2... I started hoping and then complaning, but not anymore.

Having experienced the difference between the EOS R's 30 MP and the R5 II's 45 MP, I am ready for more!

I'm loving the 100 MP of my Hassy If only it had a long tele option....

 

[AlanF]

I don't see it as complaining, only hoping for an often mentioned high MP EOS to become real.
Having experienced the difference between the EOS R's 30 MP and the R5 II's 45 MP, I am ready for more!

The R had the same sensor as the 5Div with an AA-filter that was really strong. The R5 and R5ii have weak but effective AA filters to give them more than 45 Mpx vs 30 Mpx boost in resolution. I liked the 5Div but for its poor resolution. Ok if you don’t want Moire when photographing silk dresses but not for high resolution.

 

[David - Sydney]

Could there be two versions of the R8?

I'm guessing that the current R8 will remain and replace the RP as budget level FF MILC
The new one is potentially R8ii ie upgraded
Could be a weird option like R8a (astro mod) but this is unlikely due to 3rd party modifiers from clip in filters to various sensor level mods (Ha/IR etc)
Or maybe a different colour body?? Not sure if this has meant multiple body certifications being needed in the past.

 

[SnowMiku]

That's very much in the eye of the beholder.
What makes a camera pretty or even iconic?
My opinion is, that every tool that delivers best ergonomics is "pretty".


And even this design maybe finds people that will call it "pretty",
Not me, by the way.

I personally think the M5 looks "pretty" with the dark grey finish at the top and the hot shoe. Not as ergonomic as the bigger bodies though.

 

[Triceratops]

I strongly feel it's either R10 mk2 or R50 mk2 but definitely not R7 mk2.

 

[JPJ]

In your article you typed "EOS 7D Mark II?"

I think an R8 II would be perfect if they just added a joystick, the R10 has one so I don't think it's too much to ask. They could always keep the original R8 in the lineup to replace the RP and have the retro R8 II.

I have said that I want the R7ii to be a new APS-C sensor in an R6iii body. I’ll continue this and say I want the R8ii to be an R10 body with the R6iii sensor. Of course many want IBIS and rumors basically confirm the retro styling so that isn’t likely to be what we will get. Either way I’m not interested in the R7 odd joystick wheel.

Perhaps the two new cameras are the R8ii and R10ii with the same body and features just varying by FF vs APS-C sensors. And we still have to wait for R7ii.

 

[Dragon]

Am I the only one here yearning for a hi-res stills focused camera that re establishes Canon’s image quality leadership and competes with the A7R vi? Canon is the 35mm lens manufacturer with the quality glass that can truly utilize a 100 mp sensor. Canon, please give me a reason to stay.

My 5DSr still takes very fine pictures. Many say the R5 is as sharp or sharper, but I have both and I think the 5DSr has a slight edge in sharpness, but the R5 wins hands down for DR. 100.6 MP is the magic number for 12k video and that would be another first for Canon after the R5 being first with 8k. OTOH, 8k video doesn't seem to be jumping off the shelves and that is clearly due to the combination of the limits of human visual acuity and practical screen size. Optimal viewing distance for 1080P is 3 picture heights, which puts 4k at 1.5 and 8k at .75 with 12k at .5. That is to say you need an 8ft high wall to be the screen and you are only sitting 4 ft from it. The problem with that is that most of the screen is now relegated to peripheral vision, which has lousy resolution.

There is also a very limited number of lenses (in any catalog) that will do any kind of justice to a 100MP FF camera. Roger Cicala did some tests of the best lenses around a few years ago https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2019/10/more-ultra-high-resolution-mtf-experiments/ that show what happens to MTF at very high resolutions. 100MP on a FF sensor translates to 170 lp/mm and you can see from the charts that the MTF of even the best lenses is pretty poor in that range. An R5 pixel grid is over 110 lp/mm and the R7 about 150 lp/mm and we still only get lens MTF curves that are specified up to 30 lp/mm. The linked article and the one previous that Roger wrote, show that a good MTF at 30 lp/mm says very little about what the lens can do at 150 or 200 lp/mm.

Last, but not least is the matter of diffraction. As I recall, the R7 enters the diffraction zone at about f/5.4, so even a perfect lens is going to lose ground if it is stopped down very far.

I have longed for a FF body that had at least the pixel density of an R7 so I could have a wider field of view to find and capture birds at that resolution, but Roger's tests show that even though the wider field may help me find the bird, I had better get it centered in the lens before hitting the shutter because there are virtually no lenses that have that kind of MTF in the periphery. That is a hidden benefit of crop frame cameras -- they use the best part of a FF lens.

 

[Skux]

Fixed-lens full-frame camera. It's time.

 

[Maximilian]

I personally think the M5 looks "pretty" ...

You're referring to the OM-5 (Mark II)? Or the Leica M5?