We were wrong, all of your Canon mirrorless dreams are likely coming true soon

Why is it that if someone has a preference for something that just happens to be the status quo, they are 'resistant to change'. Please show me one person who has said that Canon should not be doing this.
I for one have tried the 'new advanced technology' and still prefer elements of the current DSLR. I also prefer elements on mirrorless technology and am not ready to give up on DSLRs.

I would ask why is it you are unable to understand that and unable to understand why someone else has a view different, and equally valid, to yours without looking down on them as 'resistant to change'?
I was making a comment based on a matter of my own subjective opinion based on the information I was seeing. I did not intend for the comment to be "looking down" or offensive towards anyone and I will retract the statement if it is going to be interpreted that way.

We're commenting on an online forum about a product that may or may not exist and a new technology platform vs an older one... it's all speculation/opinion/personal preference/subjective ideas. <3
 
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Some of us "old" people have the added insight of "having seen it all before". Rather than buying into the hype, we may be waiting for the product to deliver. Personally, I will not touch a mirrorless until it is better than what I have AND need one of the advantages that mirrorless provides. Once that happens, I buy.

We call it patience :)
lol I think you got me on that one. I can't stand waiting. I want it NOW!!!
 
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Genuine question (to everyone): do many people buy ~$2k cameras for Christmas? Surely virtually nobody spends that kind of money on a single gift


Surely literally people do spend money like this. I know them.

I am not wealthy and my friends are not wealthy (we all are working 30 to 40 somethings that have day jobs and do well enough) -- we don't live in downtown penthouses or gated communities, we pay bills and make ends meet. But my friends occasionally do blow it out on a big Christmas / b-day / anniversary gift for their family. Now, it's budgeted, it happens once every 5-10 years, and it's never the expectation to get a gift of that scale, but it's also not uncommon to plan to get that item and just use Christmas / b-day / anniversary as the occasion to do it.

So no, people actually do this! Maybe not insane enthusiasts like the folks who buy a new body every 12 months -- this might be a 'forever camera' in that they end up owning it for 10+ years, but they are out there.

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I was making a comment based on a matter of my own subjective opinion based on the information I was seeing. I did not intend for the comment to be "looking down" or offensive towards anyone and I will retract the statement if it is going to be interpreted that way.

I am pretty sure you did not mean it to be offensive and none was taken. But there are certain phrases that keep cropping up with mirrorless which are really unnecessary 'resistant to change' is one others are 'new technology', 'advances', 'innovative' - in fact Sony has innovated very little and what they have is a superb sensor and piling a smorgasbord of gizmos into one body. I have long maintained that if it were not for their sensor, the Sony's would have an even smaller market share than they have now and it would be little more than an interesting alternative.
 
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I am pretty sure you did not mean it to be offensive and none was taken. But there are certain phrases that keep cropping up with mirrorless which are really unnecessary 'resistant to change' is one others are 'new technology', 'advances', 'innovative' - in fact Sony has innovated very little and what they have is a superb sensor and piling a smorgasbord of gizmos into one body. I have long maintained that if it were not for their sensor, the Sony's would have an even smaller market share than they have now and it would be little more than an interesting alternative.
That is an interesting theory and entirely possible... what I can't understand though is why Sony sensors hit these dizzying heights in terms of performance compared to Canon - the "market leader". Canon should be able to match this performance easily... I would think.
 
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If you want high res on the cheap, the only option is last gen stuff: D800/D800E, A7R2, etc.

Historical price track for 5DS:

05701-Canon-EOS-5Ds-price-graph.png

That is rock solid. Few metrics defend price better than being best in class in resolution.

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Best portrait camera Ive ever owned. When the 5DS / r came out many decried the low light ability but missed the point. This is a great studio camera period. In the wilds of Africa apart from low light the pictures are steller. Not surprised the price has remained steady.
 
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Genuine question (to everyone): do many people buy ~$2k cameras for Christmas? Surely virtually nobody spends that kind of money on a single gift, and in my experience (and observation of others), Christmas and January is when money is tightest, because you're spending on other people's presents, food, etc. Am I missing something?

There are many people who do not find it difficult to spend $2k on someone at Christmas. There are many many more that can not afford to do this.
 
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Which is not a mirrorless-exclusive function...

I’m patiently waiting for someone to show me what a mirrorless camera can do that an SLR in lockup fundamentally can not, aside from “be narrower.”


You can run liveview through the viewfinder / held up to your eye (without some stupid loupe, periscope, etc.). This obliterates MLU for stability (lets you shoot with longer shutters handheld than if you are 12" away from your face, which lets you keep ISO down), comfort, intuitive access to controls, and, candidly, eliminates the stigma of looking like that guy who shoots serious iPad photography.

'MLU is mirrorless so why do we even need mirrorless' is a hackneyed and underweight argument*. Not everyone buying mirrorless are small-size-loving sheep that don't get understand how MLU and Liveview works. Some people just see great value in having Liveview up to their eye -- it unlocks a dramatically different user experience, IMHO.

*I mean this with kindness, b/c I really appreciate your posts in general. I just disagree with you here.

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when you think will be the release date?


No one knows. I'd personally guess sometime the first half of next year, solely because there's a weird hole in the projected release timing of other major lines (based on their historical lifecycles):

https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/i...xt-dslr-replaced-cr1.35073/page-2#post-721136

Canon wants this FF mirrorless launch to blot out the sun -- no other cameras should be launched within 2-3 months of it. That's typically how they do things for the > $1k bodies they sell, but I'd say it's doubly so for such a major first for them.

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No one knows. I'd personally guess sometime the first half of next year, solely because there's a weird hole in the projected release timing of other major lines (based on their historical lifecycles):

https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/i...xt-dslr-replaced-cr1.35073/page-2#post-721136

Canon wants this FF mirrorless launch to blot out the sun -- no other cameras should be launched within 2-3 months of it. That's typically how they do things for the > $1k bodies they sell, but I'd say it's doubly so for such a major first for them.

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I'm in full agreement with this.

I could see an announcement next week, but the actual release and availability of the camera probably won't come until the end of this year at the earliest.
 
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I'll also repeat: whatever its advantages, a new mount has a major drawback - it is not natively compatible with all those existing EF lenses (unless they come up with some amazing hybrid solution). So as a current EF lens user, why would I want a new mount, which will necessitate either selling my current lenses and buying new ones (with little to no advantage in performance that I can see), or using an adaptor which may affect AF performance and image quality?


And I'll repeat my question in return: Why is a lens tube with a passthrough for AF contacts to drive the EF lens (with the same damn DPAF routines it works fine with on a current SLR) not going to work?

I just can't connect the dots between: Same AF routines, Same AF system, same mount now in two pieces, and 'selling my stuff' or performance going to hell.

Educate me, please. I don't say this to win an argument -- I'm honestly asking you why it wouldn't work, and work well. I think it would. Are you worried that the adaptor will not be precisely machined and incorrectly go-on the thin mount in some penis-eyed fashion?

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And I'll repeat my question in return: Why is a lens tube with a passthrough for AF contacts to drive the EF lens with the same damn DPAF routines it works fine with on a current SLR not going to work?

I just can't connect the dots between: Same AF routines, Same AF system, same mount now in two pieces, and 'selling my stuff' or performance going to hell.

Educate me, please. I don't say to win an argument -- I'm honestly asking you why it wouldn't work, and work well. I think it would. Are you worried that the adaptor will not be precisely machined and effectively go-on the thin mount in some penis-eyed fashion?

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There is a stigma associated with adapted glass due to the not-so-stellar performance when adapting EF glass to Sony E-Mount and other systems via third party adapters.

While I fairly recently disliked the idea of an adapter for these same reasons, thinking about it more makes me think a native Canon-made adapter would be fine for the reasons you've pointed out.
 
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If you want high res on the cheap, the only option is last gen stuff: D800/D800E, A7R2, etc.

Historical price track for 5DS:

05701-Canon-EOS-5Ds-price-graph.png

That is rock solid. Few metrics defend price better than being best in class in resolution.

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You can usually find gently used (>10k shutter) 5DSR's for $1800-$2000. Not sure why they lose so much value or why so many people dump them early.
 
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While I fairly recently disliked the idea of an adapter for these same reasons, thinking about it more makes me think a native Canon-made adapter would be fine for the reasons you've pointed out.


But we're entirely in-ecosystem here. No reverse engineering or licensing of AF routines (like Sony, Metabones, Sigma, etc.) at play here. This is Canon hardware talking to Canon hardware.

Haven't we already litigated this with the EF-S/EF adaptor for EF-M on the later bodies with DPAF? Did AF speed or hit rate go to hell through that adaptor?

(Or is that a poor example to use b/c that adaptor came out prior to EF-M getting DPAF?)

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