Canon EOS R5 launch price will be below $4000 USD [CR3]

[SteveC]

The word "often" surprisingly left your "logical negation".

Fair enough. Here's the original statement: "And to a large extent...yes, very often people get paid less because they are NOT trying hard enough."

So the logical negation should be "it is not the case that very often people get paid less because they are not trying hard enough" Replacing with symbols, "It is not the case that A very often happens because of B."

You're denying that B often causes A. Thus you are denying that not trying hard enough very often leads to people being paid less.

 

[yeahright]

Sorry, no. He's saying "they do not try hard enough" causes (okay, very often causes) "they get paid less." A is caused by B isn't the same as A implies B, because A could have other causes.

You are right. I accidentally reversed the implication. It should have been the other way round, B (do not try hard enough) implies A (get paid less). The negation of this would be (B and not A) = do not try hard enough and get paid more, as you said.

 

[SaP34US]

No....That doesn´t mean that you can extract a RAW STILL from the raw video file. To extract the image the camera must process a totally new file, so it must edit a grabbed frame fro the raw video file. Yo are talking about 2 different raw files here....Video raw file and a still raw file.

Now...I´m not saying that the new R5 can extract a RAW still from a video file (even the video file is raw), but I would be very surprised if it does it!!!

The extracted ph0towill be 35 mp so that sounds like its RAW not jpg.

 

[Adelino]

Maybe we should convert the R5 in percentage of hard working waiters and working class who don't try hard enough and leisure class?

 

[Joules]

Yeah, that's so breathtakingly impressive, given an EOS 5D IV has "only" 30 MP. The option to extract such highly resolved stills from video will blast also fast frame stills shooting into a new era. Mouthwatering in particular for wildlife, I have to say.

Rolling shutter will likely impact stills extraction from 8K video to a degree that would make it unusable for fast moving wildlife.

 

[Tangent]

Yeah, that's so breathtakingly impressive, given an EOS 5D IV has "only" 30 MP. The option to extract such highly resolved stills from video will blast also fast frame stills shooting into a new era. Mouthwatering in particular for wildlife, I have to say.

Very handy for "best frame" planetary and lunar photography as well.

 

[Kit.]

Fair enough. Here's the original statement: "And to a large extent...yes, very often people get paid less because they are NOT trying hard enough."

So the logical negation should be "it is not the case that very often people get paid less because they are not trying hard enough" Replacing with symbols, "It is not the case that A very often happens because of B."

You're denying that B often causes A. Thus you are denying that not trying hard enough very often leads to people being paid less.

You are jumping to conclusion again. What I'm denying is the correctness of your negation. I'm not questioning the correctness of the original statement... yet.

Were I doing that, I would be asking for:
1. The numerical definition of "very often".
2. The studies showing correlation (to the degree of the definition)
3. The studies showing causation (as "not trying" could also be a rational behavior when the goal was not achievable in the first place).

Now, returning to your negation: there is a huge difference between "very often, A is caused by B" and "very often, B causes A", if - as we would naturally expect in such a case - "very often" tries to describe a percentage of causes or of outcomes, and not just a sheer number of events.

 

[xanbarksdale]

Funny...I've never had to do that to date.....they just send to my state, free shipping (over a certain amount)...and don't charge sales tax.

Would you be willing to share a screenshot of a recent receipt that shows no sales tax was collected? They started charging sales tax last year due to the Supreme Court ruling...they even issued a press release about it.

For the record, I'm not saying you're lying...I spend A LOT of money at BH and have been paying sales tax for the past year. If they're not charging you sales tax I'd love to get more info about it.

 

[peters]

My guess was always $3,799.00 so I’ll stick with that.

I'll stick to 4199,99, including 19% VAT in germany We will see, hoepfully soon

 

[SteveC]

You are jumping to conclusion again. What I'm denying is the correctness of your negation. I'm not questioning the correctness of the original statement... yet.

Were I doing that, I would be asking for:
1. The numerical definition of "very often".
2. The studies showing correlation (to the degree of the definition)
3. The studies showing causation (as "not trying" could also be a rational behavior when the goal was not achievable in the first place).

Now, returning to your negation: there is a huge difference between "very often, A is caused by B" and "very often, B causes A", if - as we would naturally expect in such a case - "very often" tries to describe a percentage of causes or of outcomes, and not just a sheer number of events.

Ah...gotcha. for purposes of illustration, let's say "very often" means "60 percent of the time." So, "very often, B causes A" means that 60 percent of the time B is true, A is true because of a causal connection. A, on the other hand, could be true 80 percent or 30 percent of time B is false, too, and maybe B is false 99.9% of the time. The statement doesn't address that at all. Going to the other formulation, it runs that sixty percent of the time A is true, it's because B was...thus if B was only true 0.01% of the time, then at most A was true 0.1667 percent of the time.

Good catch.

 

[David - Sydney]

When you're an American travelling in Europe, and no doubt vice-versa, the little things are surprising. I see round prices in Europe (e.g., 7 euros, not $6.99), and they're what you actually pay. There's no added "ding" at the register as you get charged 8.2% sales tax (or whatever it is--Colorado's sales tax rate has relentlessly crept upwards and our roads still suck) to make the purchase total $7.56. (Things like groceries are often sales tax exempt.)

The last time I was in Europe I found it hard to get hold of really small change, because prices posted AND paid were pretty "round." Then once having obtained small change, I couldn't get rid of it! I guess a grocery paying by the kilo would have worked. Otherwise, no.

I remember checking out at some place in the US and the total coming out to EXACTLY $100.00. I told the cashier to get their register checked for a malfunction.

As a traveller to the US (in the past but maybe to Hawaii in the future as part of a travel bubble), the (supposedly dicrestionary!) tipping system is quite hard to comprehend and get it right. Asking them what is the normal amount gets blank faces!
For cruise ships departing from Australia, they bundle in the daily tips in the upfront cost as we would frequently request them to be deleted from our account as they are supposedly discretionary.
Carrying around a fist full of shrapnel due to the non-rounding amounts at the till is painful.
Supermarkets may have odd prices $x.99 but we got rid of 1 and 2 cent pieces so the final amount is rounded up/down if paying by cash.
As part of Covid-19 changes, many stores locally would not accept cash ie only tap-and-go cards which for most people is a normal way to pay anyway.

 

[Otara]

Now THAT will never happen.

You're supposed to be suckered into rounding down, and thinking it's lots cheaper than it is, at a gut level. Which is why gasoline (petrol) in the United States invariably has a price that ends in nine tenths of a cent per (US) gallon. (Try pumping yourself exactly one gallon of gas and getting the change, we have nothing smaller than the cent in circulation today, and that has been true since 1857.) I'm still waiting for someone to just say "screw it" and sell it for $2:39 instead of $2.389, but people really want to stay just under round numbers.

One kwatloo wouldn't be much of a round down.

Psychological pricing.

I wasnt serious, just jokingly worried for CR if the price turns out to be over 4k, even if the difference is fairly meaningless from a practical perspective.

 

[SteveC]

As a traveller to the US (in the past but maybe to Hawaii in the future as part of a travel bubble), the (supposedly dicrestionary!) tipping system is quite hard to comprehend and get it right. Asking them what is the normal amount gets blank faces!

I'm surprised you got blank faces. It's 15% though some places are trying to raise that to 18% or even 20%. And yeah, it's "discretionary" in the sense that you CAN refuse but you will be hated on for it. [some restaurants will include it in the bill, however, especially if it's a large party. Watch for that, if the tip is included you have no further obligation.] Some advice I got once: if the service is just awful rather than leave no tip (which will be blamed on "gee aren't Aussies assholes" [no, you're not]), leave a very SMALL tip. That sends the message, unambiguously, that they suck--you knew you were supposed to tip, and yet this is your assessment of their worth. However, I'd never do so to a waitress/waiter if the fault clearly lies with the cook. I'd complain about the cook some other way.

I personally tip well over 15%, especially on a small check, or if they seemed to be busting their tails. Back in the day you could get a very cheap $4 lunch at some restaurants (that would make it up for dinner which would be $12 or so), I'd tip as though paying "normal" price not the cut rate lunch price; I'd tip a couple of dollars.

I've been "bitten" by not understanding customary tipping in other places. I fear on my last overseas trip I pissed off a lot of the locals because I was under the impression there was no tipping. And even when someone suggested I should tip so-and-so, I fear that I tipped too little. I have no idea. It was "third world," though, so the money I tipped might have been HUGE to them, for all I know.

 

[Go Wild]

The extracted ph0towill be 35 mp so that sounds like its RAW not jpg.

I Was watching the video and the video clearly mention "35MP raw photo"... WOW so if the camera allows and extraction of a RAW FILE from a video file....Then....damn! I am really impressed! I was impressed already with th EOS R5 but this is another totally new thing to add! DAMN!!!

Another possibility is that he Is mentioning normal RAW photos....But the video is almost about video features....and we don´t expect the camera to have less than 43mp because of that 8kRAW....

Another thing to increase this damn anxiety!

 

[Adventure Kid]

Outta my price range.

Not meant for everyone. Go buy a used EOS R

 

[herein2020]

If you want use video recording exclusively to produce a 30fps series of raw stills, you would not need to limit yourself to 180 degree shutter angle for that (unless the camera gives you no control over it).

Oh I agree with you 100% that's why I said typically. Now if you are shooting video with the sole intention of extracting stills from it...then you would almost certainly increase the shutter speed (unless you wanted the motion blur). Now if the R5 has some new format that allows you to extract true raw images from the video...that would be a ground breaking feature, but in my opinion that type of capability would probably require either a format change in the output file (Canon Raw Lite Mark II anyone?) or some kind of software support to extract the stills while retaining/creating the metadata needed for raw image processors.

Either way, these are very exciting times.

 

[herein2020]

Would you be willing to share a screenshot of a recent receipt that shows no sales tax was collected? They started charging sales tax last year due to the Supreme Court ruling...they even issued a press release about it.

For the record, I'm not saying you're lying...I spend A LOT of money at BH and have been paying sales tax for the past year. If they're not charging you sales tax I'd love to get more info about it.

Will this work for you? I've been building out a C200 for the last two weeks, BH has not charged sales tax for my location. And no, I'm not using PayBoo, boo hoo, or any other form of workaround, simply add to cart, checkout, pay now.

As multiple people on here have stated including myself, tax laws are very complex and the rollout of enforcement is not yet 100%.

 

[rwvaughn]

Not at all, the R5 is not a sports shooter (from what we know so far), it will not win over OVF shooters (myself included), it is not as rugged as the 1DXIII, it will definitely not be used at the Olympics, etc. The 1D series has always been a specialist camera which is a niche that the R5 does not fill; pricing is not everything; that's like saying it will render the C200 obsolete just because it is cheaper and on paper has some better video features.

I expect it will be just fine for sports. I've had no problems, and neither have many others, using the 5D3 and 5D4 for sports. It's more about knowing how and when to shoot rather than spraying and praying.

 

[David_E]

So you're saying that people DO NOT get paid less when they don't try hard enough? That's the logical negation of the statement you are calling a bare faced lie. I guess if you're right I should stop putting in any effort at all, since it makes no difference.

Would I be correct in guessing that you are a white male?

 

[privatebydesign]

Would you be willing to share a screenshot of a recent receipt that shows no sales tax was collected?

It all depends on the purchasers State law now, some States require companies of a certain size to charge tax and some don't.

I live in Florida, Amazon and Adorama now charge me sales tax, B&H doesn't.