There will be changes to the Canon EOS R1 before launch

I think a lot of the benefits come when the subjects etc are moving in different light — imagine a stadium that is partly shaded and you have athletes running down the 100m track moving from sun to shade to sun to shade.

The camera meter is not perfect and I would shoot -1 EV or more to protect highlights. That’s when having the latitude of full RAW helps.
You still have the full latitude with craw, where it breaks down is with lifting extremely deep shadows, way more than the shadows slider in your editor allows. So a 2 stop exposure boost on top of moving that slider.

The only situation where I could see a visual difference between RAW and cRAW is with extreme lowlight pictures, ISO25600 that are under exposed. With cRAW DxO will struggle more with keeping details in the shadows.

For me, missing a shot due to buffer issues is worse than not having details when lifting shadows 4 or 5 stops. But for night shots I do switch to RAW :)
 
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Yes, such situations do exist. I think you will have to wait 4 more years to get a better buffer as by then technology would allow that.
I think technology is more than capable of handling that now. The only real thing needed for buffering is more memory, and memory is cheap. Granted there are other factors that need to be taken into account such as write speed to memory cards but those are exceptionally fast, especially the R1 with dual cfexpress cards. I'm hoping that the thing will write files while we are shooting to help lengthen the shooting time AKA buffer not filling up. I will probably dial it down to 30fps to gain shooting time if the buffer does fill up that fast.
 
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I think technology is more than capable of handling that now. The only real thing needed for buffering is more memory, and memory is cheap. Granted there are other factors that need to be taken into account such as write speed to memory cards but those are exceptionally fast, especially the R1 with dual cfexpress cards. I'm hoping that the thing will write files while we are shooting to help lengthen the shooting time AKA buffer not filling up. I will probably dial it down to 30fps to gain shooting time if the buffer does fill up that fast.
I plan on dialing it down to 20 fps so I can get 10+ sec of buffer and use 40 fps not too often.
 
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Customising a button for turning pre-capture on/off would be useful for example the DOF button or the smart controller half/full press or better still the shutter button half/full press as well as being able to have different fps e.g. again shutter button half/full press
 
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Customising a button for turning pre-capture on/off would be useful for example the DOF button or the smart controller half/full press or better still the shutter button half/full press as well as being able to have different fps e.g. again shutter button half/full press
Another feature I would like to see (that other brands have) is the ability to toggle into a higher shooting speed with a custom button (i.e. if I am on H and shooting a burst, one of the buttons can kick the camera into H+ while I am holding the button).
 
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Another feature I would like to see (that other brands have) is the ability to toggle into a higher shooting speed with a custom button (i.e. if I am on H and shooting a burst, one of the buttons can kick the camera into H+ while I am holding the button).
That is possible today. I would prefer a toggle button though.

 
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Let's see 14 bit RAW in motion as a new feature.

Sensor is obviously capable, the cost would be compressed RAW due to recording media limitations.

That also solves your buffer issue.
And is worthy of a flagship.
 
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Another feature I would like to see (that other brands have) is the ability to toggle into a higher shooting speed with a custom button (i.e. if I am on H and shooting a burst, one of the buttons can kick the camera into H+ while I am holding the button).
You will be happy to see, that you can already do that.
I have set the H+ mode to 30fps on my dof Preview button. Holding down that button switches the camera from whatever shooting speed I am currently at, to max fps on demand.
 
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But craw is not 12bit. It's 14bit just like regular Raw.

RAW is which ever bit depth the camera quantises to and sensors have different A/D bit depth readout modes.

Reduced DR from changing a camera setting can come from lower ADC mode or a function/setup which affects the sensitivity threshold.

Also, compression reduces bits locally so for example deepest blacks can contain less data. This is not reduced DR, it may affect its usability in extreme pushes. It's the same DR with reduced local detail which is practically a non-issue with 2:1 compression.

Let's make this clear and make distinctions to avoid misconceptions.
 
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RAW is which ever bit depth the camera quantises to and sensors have different A/D bit depth readout modes.

Reduced DR from changing a camera setting can come from lower ADC mode or a function/setup which affects the sensitivity threshold.

Also, compression reduces bits locally so for example deepest blacks can contain less data. This is not reduced DR, it may affect its usability in extreme pushes. It's the same DR with reduced local detail which is practically a non-issue with 2:1 compression.

Let's make this clear and make distinctions to avoid misconceptions.
My confusion stems from your comment questioning the dynamic range of potential 12bit ad conversion in whatever you meant by "motion".
As far as I know the R1, which is the camera in question, does not revert to 12bit conversion in any shutter mode or speed. Ergo the craw and raw bit depth of the R1 is 14bit effectively giving them the same dynamic range minus some compression artefacts in craw.
What is it you are trying to say?
 
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My confusion stems from your comment questioning the dynamic range of potential 12bit ad conversion in whatever you meant by "motion".
As far as I know the R1, which is the camera in question, does not revert to 12bit conversion in any shutter mode or speed. Ergo the craw and raw bit depth of the R1 is 14bit effectively giving them the same dynamic range minus some compression artefacts in craw.
What is it you are trying to say?

Aha okay I get it. Agreed.

Let me clarify.
I wrote about "motion" in the context of cinematography, so you can shoot like you shoot video and grab stills from 12 bit RAW bypassing the buffer issue.

The cost of this is
a) 12 bits (currently) affecting DR and lattitude
b) compression, which at ~3:1 (HQ) is generally a non-issue
c) media filling much faster than with photography - (topping out at 325 MB/s / 19.5 GB/min / 1.17 TB/h )

If they add 14 bits for motion imaging in R1 in compressed RAW, buffer limitation for uncompressed RAW would be avoided at full DR and you should theoretically be able to shoot until the card fills up.

Regarding bits in stills I wanted to clarify that in general compression does not affect DR and if DR is reduced it may be lower A/D. I'm not stating that it is in the case of R1.

Third thing is that if you shoot 14 bit RAW compressed, all bits are not kept locally and in most cases there is no need to. You still get the 14 bit colour depth and full DR.

Clearer now ?
: )
 
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