Preorder: Canon EOS R5, Canon EOS R6 and new lenses
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I get where you're coming from...but in regards to this particular video I disagree. Yes, they use the words that they are not criticizing, but the tone is definitely critical. It's not what they say, but how they say it, that turned me off anyway. I won't presume to speak for others.
The AA filter is said to be the same/use the same technology as the one on the 1DX MIII, and Canon claims the R5 can out resolve the 5DsR. I also recall, but can't be certain which discussion it was in, that the claim is no rolling shutter in 12fps mechanical shutter mode, and the way the 20fps electronic shutter was mentioned in that context made it sound like there may be some in that mode. I think this as in the ProAV video linked earlier in this thread?
Anyway, nothing wrong with being cautious and waiting for more info to roll in before buying the R5. I have been without my 5DIV since April and I'm jonesing to have my FF back. I am confident the R5 will be a nice upgrade from the 5DIV for landscape, portrait, macro work. What I'm not sure of is can it also replace my 7DII for BIF? I think it will do nicely, won't mind the 20mp to 17mp drop with the crop mode it's close enough and the tracking should actually be better with the R5. Looking forward to finding out soon.
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Man, I was just so disappointed with their presentation of info. I usually hold them in pretty high regards and look for Tony's input. I even went to their channel hoping they'd have posted something before that video went live, but it was like weirdly childish sounding and really off putting in my opinion. Kinda whack coming from them.
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Like some others, I generally am OK with the Northrop's, especially their tutorial videos but in this instance, no matter how many times they said 'but we've not had one to test', it was mainly a negative and quite childish piece.
I totally understand your perspective on wanting as much info as possible and I don't think anyone is critical of that, it's just that this piece and quite a few of their previous reviews have mainly been negative about Canon, despite admitting to having several RP's in the studio. It all seems a little bizarre and inconsistent.
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There's a video of someone navigating through the R5 menus that show it. I believe it's in the R5 specifications shown on Canon's R5 site now as well.
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I get where you're coming from...but in regards to this particular video I disagree. Yes, they use the words that they are not criticizing, but the tone is definitely critical. It's not what they say, but how they say it, that turned me off anyway. I won't presume to speak for others.
The AA filter is said to be the same/use the same technology as the one on the 1DX MIII, and Canon claims the R5 can out resolve the 5DsR. I also recall, but can't be certain which discussion it was in, that the claim is no rolling shutter in 12fps mechanical shutter mode, and the way the 20fps electronic shutter was mentioned in that context made it sound like there may be some in that mode. I think this as in the ProAV video linked earlier in this thread?
Anyway, nothing wrong with being cautious and waiting for more info to roll in before buying the R5. I have been without my 5DIV since April and I'm jonesing to have my FF back. I am confident the R5 will be a nice upgrade from the 5DIV for landscape, portrait, macro work. What I'm not sure of is can it also replace my 7DII for BIF? I think it will do nicely, won't mind the 20mp to 17mp drop with the crop mode it's close enough and the tracking should actually be better with the R5. Looking forward to finding out soon.
They are actually wrong on the AA filter. Any analog to digital conversion system must have a filter unless aliasing is acceptable (never really is). For cameras, you can either rely on the low-pass characteristics of lenses or add an optical low-pass filter. A low-pass filter can be designed to be barely noticeable.
Assuming that RF lenses are designed for high-resolutions (say >100MP), you need a LP filter especially on lower resolution sensors (say 20MP sensors).
Also, they seem grumpy that they have no relation with Canon and did not receive review units. They cast some doubt of some of the specs and then go on about the importance of independent reviewers, i.e. their business. To me this seemed almost desperate, I hope they are not about to go under but they could have approached this in a way more subtle way, for example
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Hard to blame Polin for being a little defensive. Canon pretty much burned the reviewers. Never a good idea. I have no idea how the overheating issue will sort itself out but it’s pretty clear ithe launch is a PR disaster for Canon. Hope they can “right the ship” next week.
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Yeah, the whining was very off-putting. They can be balanced on certain videos, but there are times where they are pandering to an audience. In this case, it felt like pandering to the Canon bashers. Like Canon has it's day and they felt a need to knock it off it's high horse. The whining tone was over the top, so I think this was a creative choice in executing the video. So I disliked it.
The most annoying part is the whining about the by-products of filming in 8K. Like, duh, it is going to take a lot more data and a more capable computer to edit. The fact that they can act surprised and miffed by the reality is incredible short-sightedness.
That's like someone buying an exotic car and then complaining about gas mileage or insurance premiums. lol, really?
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Super bizarre considering Tony tries to take so many high roads and use science to prove his point so often. But I guess when content is running dry you entertain in one way or another to get views. I still like the guy, but damn that was a whack video. ha
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I wouldn't say a 5D or R5 were for the majority of the market either. I was talking professional cameras. So yes, the 1D would have been the obvious comparison point. Even the Eos 3 was 1500. The 5D mk2 was 2899 at launch in 2010. The 5D3 was 3400. The market has borne this price for over a decade. And canon glass has always been expensive.
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Agreed, PR could be better right now. However, I'm not sure what they could have done different. They clearly put everything into the camera that would fit with quite a few industry firsts - they clearly want to promote that.
I'm still wondering if heat limits can be avoided by using external recorders.
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I know this is the current "hot"-topic, so I thought I'd give my 2 cents on it (that's about all it's worth):
I happen to be a "stills shooter", so the fuss about overheating doesn't really worry me either way.
But the video I've seen (animal eye-AF etc) is so stunning that I'd probably get into video after all. But I wouldn't be in to it hot & heavy (no pun intended) and I don't think it would be an issue at all, and if it was then I'd just enjoy the great 4K which is probably more than I'd hope for anyway.
Since I am a stills shooter, my main concern (and not a big one) is whether the low pass sensor filter they mention will dull the resolution of the stills it takes or not. Many here have mentioned it probably will be a mild filter version. I'm assuming Canon knows how to make it high quality and good, so I'm not going to sweat it.
My bottom line is that I've been waiting a long time to buy into the Canon FF system with quality glass and I don't want to have to wait for the next R... camera to come out in a year or so. So I'm going to enjoy the heck out of my R5 and be happy for all the incredible things I can do with it now. In the future when they come out with the next R... with better this-or-that, I'll be able to consider buying it as a 2nd body to go with my existing R lenses.
So, win-win - let the fun begin!
I'm a stills shooter, and preordered the R5. I'm grateful to the video shooters who are increasing the sales volume and thus reducing the cost of my 45MP 20FPS camera (that happens to have what they need for 8K). The video threshold undoubtedly pushed Canon to the level they did. Thanks.
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I ordered my R5 with Canon BG-R10 Battery Grip,Canon Control Ring Mount Adapter EF-EOS R , and Canon LP-E6NH Lithium-Ion Battery . With that said, i need to humbly ask a stupid question, and I hope people can help. I have been trying to figure out which SD card to buy. I know to look for a Compatible with UHS-II V60 or V90 for video. There are a number of designations (sdxc, SDXC2, XQD, ETC.), plus many manufacturers. Since this is a higher MP camera that I will likely use for some video, these decisions are new for me.
Thanks all.
Scott
Thanks all.
Scott
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I enjoy occasionally watching Tony and Chelsea and understand due to thier profile need to put out something about the R5 even though they don’t actually have anything to say yet. But I'm glad Canon has taken this approach. I detest how YouTubers hype up their content by examining things with a microscope with the single gole of finding that one issue that will blow up and ultimately boost their profile. These issues I might add, are normally ones the majority of the target market will never encounter.
I transitioned from Canon to a Sony A7rIII (A7rII before) but always continued to use and purchase Canon EF Glass. While I can't fault the sensor with its great stills IQ, its about the only thing I like about the camera and can’t wait to get back to Canon.
I hate adapting lenses and never got tempted by any of the Sony glass. SLOG is terrible to shoot and grade without an external monitor with LUT. Underexposing by too much, even for effect the resulting image became full of noise and as the files were 8bit they could fall apart very quickly. The menu system was a total messed up jumble and if I’m totally being honest, for stills I felt the lack of a decent AA filter could sometimes on certain subjects make them look way over sharpened and very digital looking (aliasing). Don't get me wrong, its gets the job done and very well but its not all rosey over in Sony land as most Tubers lead us to believe.
I transitioned from Canon to a Sony A7rIII (A7rII before) but always continued to use and purchase Canon EF Glass. While I can't fault the sensor with its great stills IQ, its about the only thing I like about the camera and can’t wait to get back to Canon.
I hate adapting lenses and never got tempted by any of the Sony glass. SLOG is terrible to shoot and grade without an external monitor with LUT. Underexposing by too much, even for effect the resulting image became full of noise and as the files were 8bit they could fall apart very quickly. The menu system was a total messed up jumble and if I’m totally being honest, for stills I felt the lack of a decent AA filter could sometimes on certain subjects make them look way over sharpened and very digital looking (aliasing). Don't get me wrong, its gets the job done and very well but its not all rosey over in Sony land as most Tubers lead us to believe.
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Not to be rude, but if you are going an hour or more, this likely is the wrong tool for you unless you want to buy two or three. However, it looks like a great camera, and maybe if you want it, just get it and you don't have to justify it to yourself or anyone else. I don't "need" one, but I gave my camera bag a gift!
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This "overheating Issue" is getting tiresome.
The Camera is not overheating, it appears to be activating it's thermal protection protocols and warning the user to stop recording or let the camera cool off. If the user chooses to ignore the thermal protection warning then the Camera will shut off to protect itself. This is a feature of the system and appears to have been well tested as there are stated limits included in what I assume is the manual.
If the cameras are cooking themselves without a user facing warning or protection that in my mind is an overheat. If the system is randomly shutting off due to heat that is an overheat.
I choose to assume that Canon being historically careful about the quality and MTBF on their systems the protection protocols are aggressive to ensure the heat soaking of the system is well below the component damaging limits.
In my day job at Avigilon we test Cameras all the time in Thermotron chambers and I have seen my fair share of platforms that do not trigger thermal protection (mostly hikvision) and just cook @60 degrees Celsius.
IMO this has been just way overblown
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Most of the sales reduction for ILCs was in the entry level and lower enthusiast level cameras. The premium tier cameras have always been smaller volume, though the demise of newspapers, magazines, and staff photographer positions at those and other media companies has affected sales of "flagship" models.
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