Lloyd Chambers is reporting focus stacking is on the R5 but not R6. First news I’ve heard about focus stacking on the new bodies.
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I get where you're coming from...but in regards to this particular video I disagree. Yes, they use the words that they are not criticizing, but the tone is definitely critical. It's not what they say, but how they say it, that turned me off anyway. I won't presume to speak for others.I'm struggling with all the hating on the Northrup's. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they make it clear that they are not criticizing the R5. They can't, they don't have it. Rather, they are throwing in a contrarian perspective by saying "wait until objective reviews get posted before getting too excited".
Isn't their advice the essence of prudent decision making? Instead of focusing on all the "wow's" for which there are many and the Canon marketing and ambassadors have highlighted, also make sure that you have vetted all the potential negatives before making a purchase decision. Never get too positive or too negative on an important purchasing decision.
Personally, I have gotten caught up in all the hype. I have a pre-order placed, but I do need to consider the negatives before allowing shipment. First, I am a stills shooter so the overheating problem is a rather minor concern (not a decision factor). However, I do care about the anti-aliasing filter. If it's too strong, then the IQ could be a significant downgrade from my A7rIII. I don't need 60, 70, or 80MP, but I don't want to take a step back from the most brilliant sensor I've ever used. A related factor is the DR. It will be nice to see if it does in fact have the one-stop improvement promised.
Other concerns involve continuous shooting, probably the main reason I've ordered this camera. There will be rolling-shutter artifacts, but how severe? What will be the penalty for shooting 20fps electronic? Will it be 12-bit or even 10-bit images? Will the DR drop noticeably when shooting at that fast repeat rate? What happens to the DR shooting at 20fps? Does it drop as well? Finally, how close are the 12/20fps continuous to reality? If I can only achieve--or come close to these values--in shooting situations that are not common to my shooting practices, then the camera doesn't make sense.
What else is important to know before using this camera?
While negative responses to any of these questions is unlikely to change my buying decision (unless extremely negative), I would like to be fully informed before making this kind of sizable purchase. Basically, if you are upgrading from the 5dIV (or considering a move from Sony or Nikon land) isn't it important to know that the r5 is indeed an upgrade in dimensions that matter to you? I think so.
So, I"m hoping that there will be objective reviews released before the r5 ships. If not, I may cancel my preorder and wait for those reviews to appear.
I'm struggling with all the hating on the Northrup's. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they make it clear that they are not criticizing the R5. They can't, they don't have it. Rather, they are throwing in a contrarian perspective by saying "wait until objective reviews get posted before getting too excited".
Isn't their advice the essence of prudent decision making? Instead of focusing on all the "wow's" for which there are many and the Canon marketing and ambassadors have highlighted, also make sure that you have vetted all the potential negatives before making a purchase decision. Never get too positive or too negative on an important purchasing decision.
Personally, I have gotten caught up in all the hype. I have a pre-order placed, but I do need to consider the negatives before allowing shipment. First, I am a stills shooter so the overheating problem is a rather minor concern (not a decision factor). However, I do care about the anti-aliasing filter. If it's too strong, then the IQ could be a significant downgrade from my A7rIII. I don't need 60, 70, or 80MP, but I don't want to take a step back from the most brilliant sensor I've ever used. A related factor is the DR. It will be nice to see if it does in fact have the one-stop improvement promised.
Other concerns involve continuous shooting, probably the main reason I've ordered this camera. There will be rolling-shutter artifacts, but how severe? What will be the penalty for shooting 20fps electronic? Will it be 12-bit or even 10-bit images? Will the DR drop noticeably when shooting at that fast repeat rate? What happens to the DR shooting at 20fps? Does it drop as well? Finally, how close are the 12/20fps continuous to reality? If I can only achieve--or come close to these values--in shooting situations that are not common to my shooting practices, then the camera doesn't make sense.
What else is important to know before using this camera?
While negative responses to any of these questions is unlikely to change my buying decision (unless extremely negative), I would like to be fully informed before making this kind of sizable purchase. Basically, if you are upgrading from the 5dIV (or considering a move from Sony or Nikon land) isn't it important to know that the r5 is indeed an upgrade in dimensions that matter to you? I think so.
So, I"m hoping that there will be objective reviews released before the r5 ships. If not, I may cancel my preorder and wait for those reviews to appear.
Like some others, I generally am OK with the Northrop's, especially their tutorial videos but in this instance, no matter how many times they said 'but we've not had one to test', it was mainly a negative and quite childish piece.I'm struggling with all the hating on the Northrup's. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they make it clear that they are not criticizing the R5. They can't, they don't have it. Rather, they are throwing in a contrarian perspective by saying "wait until objective reviews get posted before getting too excited".
Isn't their advice the essence of prudent decision making? Instead of focusing on all the "wow's" for which there are many and the Canon marketing and ambassadors have highlighted, also make sure that you have vetted all the potential negatives before making a purchase decision. Never get too positive or too negative on an important purchasing decision.
Personally, I have gotten caught up in all the hype. I have a pre-order placed, but I do need to consider the negatives before allowing shipment. First, I am a stills shooter so the overheating problem is a rather minor concern (not a decision factor). However, I do care about the anti-aliasing filter. If it's too strong, then the IQ could be a significant downgrade from my A7rIII. I don't need 60, 70, or 80MP, but I don't want to take a step back from the most brilliant sensor I've ever used. A related factor is the DR. It will be nice to see if it does in fact have the one-stop improvement promised.
Other concerns involve continuous shooting, probably the main reason I've ordered this camera. There will be rolling-shutter artifacts, but how severe? What will be the penalty for shooting 20fps electronic? Will it be 12-bit or even 10-bit images? Will the DR drop noticeably when shooting at that fast repeat rate? What happens to the DR shooting at 20fps? Does it drop as well? Finally, how close are the 12/20fps continuous to reality? If I can only achieve--or come close to these values--in shooting situations that are not common to my shooting practices, then the camera doesn't make sense.
What else is important to know before using this camera?
While negative responses to any of these questions is unlikely to change my buying decision (unless extremely negative), I would like to be fully informed before making this kind of sizable purchase. Basically, if you are upgrading from the 5dIV (or considering a move from Sony or Nikon land) isn't it important to know that the r5 is indeed an upgrade in dimensions that matter to you? I think so.
So, I"m hoping that there will be objective reviews released before the r5 ships. If not, I may cancel my preorder and wait for those reviews to appear.
There's a video of someone navigating through the R5 menus that show it. I believe it's in the R5 specifications shown on Canon's R5 site now as well.Lloyd Chambers is reporting focus stacking is on the R5 but not R6. First news I’ve heard about focus stacking on the new bodies.
I get where you're coming from...but in regards to this particular video I disagree. Yes, they use the words that they are not criticizing, but the tone is definitely critical. It's not what they say, but how they say it, that turned me off anyway. I won't presume to speak for others.
The AA filter is said to be the same/use the same technology as the one on the 1DX MIII, and Canon claims the R5 can out resolve the 5DsR. I also recall, but can't be certain which discussion it was in, that the claim is no rolling shutter in 12fps mechanical shutter mode, and the way the 20fps electronic shutter was mentioned in that context made it sound like there may be some in that mode. I think this as in the ProAV video linked earlier in this thread?
Anyway, nothing wrong with being cautious and waiting for more info to roll in before buying the R5. I have been without my 5DIV since April and I'm jonesing to have my FF back. I am confident the R5 will be a nice upgrade from the 5DIV for landscape, portrait, macro work. What I'm not sure of is can it also replace my 7DII for BIF? I think it will do nicely, won't mind the 20mp to 17mp drop with the crop mode it's close enough and the tracking should actually be better with the R5. Looking forward to finding out soon.
Yeah, the whining was very off-putting. They can be balanced on certain videos, but there are times where they are pandering to an audience. In this case, it felt like pandering to the Canon bashers. Like Canon has it's day and they felt a need to knock it off it's high horse. The whining tone was over the top, so I think this was a creative choice in executing the video. So I disliked it.Man, I was just so disappointed with their presentation of info. I usually hold them in pretty high regards and look for Tony's input. I even went to their channel hoping they'd have posted something before that video went live, but it was like weirdly childish sounding and really off putting in my opinion. Kinda whack coming from them.
Super bizarre considering Tony tries to take so many high roads and use science to prove his point so often. But I guess when content is running dry you entertain in one way or another to get views. I still like the guy, but damn that was a whack video. haYeah, the whining was very off-putting. They can be balanced on certain videos, but there are times where they are pandering to an audience. In this case, it felt like pandering to the Canon bashers. Like Canon has it's day and they felt a need to knock it off it's high horse. The whining tone was over the top, so I think this was a creative choice in executing the video. So I disliked it.
The most annoying part is the whining about the by-products of filming in 8K. Like, duh, it is going to take a lot more data and a more capable computer to edit. The fact that they can act surprised and miffed by the reality is incredible short-sightedness.
That's like someone buying an exotic car and then complaining about gas mileage or insurance premiums. lol, really?
Hi, just interested and don't want to interrupt your riveting discussion but what sort of camera bodies cost £4000 or £3000 20 years ago? I can only think of maybe 1 dx series or a Hasselblad which I may be wrong but I don't think they are classed as mainstream so probably wouldn't form a majority of the market?
I don't have an opinion on either side of your conversation but just interested that's all?
Agreed, PR could be better right now. However, I'm not sure what they could have done different. They clearly put everything into the camera that would fit with quite a few industry firsts - they clearly want to promote that.Hard to blame Polin for being a little defensive. Canon pretty much burned the reviewers. Never a good idea. I have no idea how the overheating issue will sort itself out but it’s pretty clear ithe launch is a PR disaster for Canon. Hope they can “right the ship” next week.
I know this is the current "hot"-topic, so I thought I'd give my 2 cents on it (that's about all it's worth):
I happen to be a "stills shooter", so the fuss about overheating doesn't really worry me either way.
But the video I've seen (animal eye-AF etc) is so stunning that I'd probably get into video after all. But I wouldn't be in to it hot & heavy (no pun intended) and I don't think it would be an issue at all, and if it was then I'd just enjoy the great 4K which is probably more than I'd hope for anyway.
Since I am a stills shooter, my main concern (and not a big one) is whether the low pass sensor filter they mention will dull the resolution of the stills it takes or not. Many here have mentioned it probably will be a mild filter version. I'm assuming Canon knows how to make it high quality and good, so I'm not going to sweat it.
My bottom line is that I've been waiting a long time to buy into the Canon FF system with quality glass and I don't want to have to wait for the next R... camera to come out in a year or so. So I'm going to enjoy the heck out of my R5 and be happy for all the incredible things I can do with it now. In the future when they come out with the next R... with better this-or-that, I'll be able to consider buying it as a 2nd body to go with my existing R lenses.
So, win-win - let the fun begin!
Not to be rude, but if you are going an hour or more, this likely is the wrong tool for you unless you want to buy two or three. However, it looks like a great camera, and maybe if you want it, just get it and you don't have to justify it to yourself or anyone else. I don't "need" one, but I gave my camera bag a gift!I'm not the person you were replying to, but my biggest worry is overheating at 8K/24p/IPB when shooting talking-head stuff or interviews, which can often go an hour or more. I'm used to having to pause to reset the recording after 30 minutes or change a memory card, but now we're talking 30 minutes of downtime between shots.
The way I'm justifying the purchase to myself is by remembering that the camera shoots 4K/24 with better IQ/AF and a leaner codec than my 1DX2 or 5D4 and the ability to shoot 8K or 4K/120p is a bonus.
I guess I'll cancel my order then.Oh yeah. A real PR disaster...hah hah hah. On what planet?
This "overheating Issue" is getting tiresome.Hard to blame Polin for being a little defensive. Canon pretty much burned the reviewers. Never a good idea. I have no idea how the overheating issue will sort itself out but it’s pretty clear ithe launch is a PR disaster for Canon. Hope they can “right the ship” next week.
OK, then you're still wrong. It's a commonly overstated stat. DSLR (or equivalent - your chosen acronym for mirrorless cameras) sales have dipped slightly, but in comparison to the largest part of the camera market, which was fixed lens cameras, remained relatively stable. Source here: https://www.statista.com/chart/5782/digital-camera-shipments/
And for the third time, people were paying £4000 for bodies and £3000 for lenses twenty years ago. Given inflation, that's just not a valid reason for why. I'd agree that there's a sliver of the DSLR market who went off with their iphones happily, which might account for a slight dip, but nowhere near the level you've suggested.
My point is they wouldn’t need to throw in incentives such as the jacket if the RRP is inline within the price point of the 5D line.