Are new dream lenses coming for the RF mount? [CR1]

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But wouldn't that be fair? Lower aperature for same weight as the RF 100-500L - I'ld totally pay that :D.
Could be even a bit heavier, that's still fine.
Ummm, no. A 200-600 f/4-5.6 would be much larger and heavier than the 100-500 f/4.5-7.1.

A 200-600/4-5.6 vs. 100-500/4.5-7.1 is like comparing the EF 300/2.8L to the EF 100-400L. A 600/5.6 long end needs a 107mm front element, the same size as the 300/2.8L. The 100-500/4.5-7.1 has a 70mm from element, like the 100-400/4.5-5.6L.
 
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AlanF

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But wouldn't that be fair? Lower aperature for same weight as the RF 100-500L - I'ld totally pay that :D.
Could be even a bit heavier, that's still fine (if it delivers in quality).
What neuro is getting at is that an RF-S 200-600 would be the same size as a 200-600 FF of the same aperture so there is absolutely no point in making an EF-S lens.
 
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AlanF

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Yet in exchange for longer reach, slightly brighter on the long end, heavier, internal zoom and and less MFD you pay here in the UK; £1599 for the Sony compared to £2979 for the Canon so a difference of nearly £1400. For some the extra cost will be worth it and for others absolutely not.
I have never seen a Sony 200-600mm on my almost daily birding excursions in the UK. Only anecdotal experience, but how many have you seen?
 
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The Nikon 500 PF is more expensive than the RF 100-500mm, which as I wrote above, I find more useful and just about as sharp. The Sony 200-600mm is good value for money but it weighs 2.4kg, 0.8kg more, which is noticeable, and focusses down to only 2.4m, more than twice that of the RF 100-500mm. The grass may look greener but it isn't.
It's amazing to me how often folks complain that Canon doesn't have anything like that wonderful Nikon 500mm or why can't they just have a 200-600mm like Sony. As you mention, one reason Canon doesn't have (or need) those lenses is because they already have something better! I guess they just love complaining!
 
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It's amazing to me how often folks complain that Canon doesn't have anything like that wonderful Nikon 500mm or why can't they just have a 200-600mm like Sony. As you mention, one reason Canon doesn't have (or need) those lenses is because they already have something better! I guess they just love complaining!
I agree, therefore a repost of a post I wrote a while ago:

I just don’t get why people still compare the RF 100-500mm to Sonys 200-600mm lense. Those lenses feature completely different designs for different purposes.

RF 100-500mm - 200-600mm
77mm Filter - 96mm filter thread
20 cm - 32 cm
1.45 kg - 2.1 kg
0,5 m - 2,4 m Minimum focus

If you look at the purposes intended, it is even clearer:
  • RF: possible walk-around lense
  • Sony: most „sit and wait“ lense… (birders e.g.)
  • RF: landscapes, sports, wildlife (77mm thread allows regular filters…)
  • Sony: almost exclusively wild-life
The narrower end and the exceptional minimum focus makes the RF 100-500mm a great sport lense for example for soccer, handball (huge in Germany) while the 200-600mm isn’t suitable here.

In addition, the RF 100-500mm is an L lense, the 200-600mm is not a G Master lense, a fact which a lot of users complained on the sonyalpharumors site when the lense was released. Since the 200-600mm features weather sealing and still is not a GMaster lense, it likely says that the image quality is not the best possible. (while it is still good IQ)

The Sony 200-600mm is a great option for wildlife photography. And yes, it is an offering Canon does not have. But Canon has a different, much more versatile and way more handy option. Comparing those lense just doesn’t make sense.

I don´t wanna trash the Sony 200-600mm lense here, because it great lense for what it is. But I’m sick and tired of people bitching and moaning about the fact, that the 200-600mm is one third of stop faster between 472-500mm and people literally comparing apples and melons. Furthermore, they only compare a single tiny fact…
 
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Come on with that RF 24mm F1.8 IS STM Macro with similar quality, weight and price of the RF35. I am about to buy the RF35, but honestly I would prefer 24mm.
It would be a big seller for sure. I love my RF 35mm lens, it's absolutely awesome and within the RF system probably the best value for money imho. I wish the 16mm F2.8 was as good as the 35mm F1.8.

I´d also love a line 16/ 20/ 24/ 35/ 50mm with this design. It would be great for city travel or museum visits.
 
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The reason there was never an L-series EF-S lens has to do with how Canon used to define the L-series. Their criteria to qualify for the red stripe were:
1. Lens must use cutting edge technology.
2. Lens must use exotic glass.
3. Lens must be compatible with all EOS cameras.
Obviously EF-S lenses failed to meet the third requirement. Full frame capable lenses, on the other hand, could be fitted to both full frame and APS-C cameras. They can even be used on M-series EOS via an adapter.
However, since the RF mount lenses and R-series cameras were introduced nearly 4 years ago, Canon no longer seems to be applying that third requirement. There are more than a few L-series lenses in the RF mount, which are incompatible with EF/EF-S and EF-M mount EOS cameras. Plus RF-S lenses can be used on the full frame R-series cameras, although cropping will occur.
So maybe there will be RF-S with the red stripe and the L designation.
 
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While an f2-4 70-300mm lens is not going to happen, I can very much see an f4 70-300 mm zoom to replace both the 70-300 L zoom and the 300mm f4.

The EF 300mm f/4 has been out of production for years. If they didn't bother to replace it during the late EF era, what makes you think they're interested in doing so in the RF era, when "affordable" lenses are getting apertures slower than f/5.6, not faster?
 
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Michael Clark

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That 70-300 isn't far off my idea of a dream lens.

Although, I'd much prefer it be a constant aperture. In this 2.8 would be perfectly acceptable to me. And I would ask that a 1.4 extender be built in.

Am I going to far? Okay, scale that back a little to... say 280! :p

A 70-280/2.8 with in internal 1.4x, making it a 100-400/4, would be (almost) perfect.

It might be (almost) perfect, but it would also be (over) $20K.
 
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Michael Clark

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I have a few dream lenses but my main would be RF 24-135 f2.8 L. The RF 24-105 f4 is pretty close! I'll even take my dream range at f4. This would be my always attached goto lens.

My next would be RF 16-50 f2.8 L.
One of my favorite lens was the EF 70-300 DO f4-5.6. Some complained online that it was a soft lens but it sharpened up well in ACR. I'd l'd love to see it comeback at a constant f4 especially if they could keep it close to the form factor. Of course my dream version would have a bit more range on the shorter side. Maybe a RF 50-300 f4 DO but even starting at 70mm, I'd buy it right away with a constant f4. Too bad mine was stolen. :D

To go from f/5.6 to f/4 at 300mm requires a 40% wider diameter front element, from 54mm to 75mm. The lens would need to be a lot bigger, even if it were still 70-300mm.
 
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