Do you think that Canon will make a high megapixel FF sensor with fast enough AF in the near future? I would have thought a fast 20 mpx APS-C would be more likely.Yes, I mean the NEXT, better performing, R series body.
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Do you think that Canon will make a high megapixel FF sensor with fast enough AF in the near future? I would have thought a fast 20 mpx APS-C would be more likely.Yes, I mean the NEXT, better performing, R series body.
I can't even speculate on what sensor tech Canon is sitting on or working on...But your question does raise another interesting question: Will Canon offer a cropped version of the EOS R or just leave APS-C mirrorless to the M bodies? In other words, a 7D equivalent as a mirrorless? (Fast FPS, rugged.) And would that open the door to yet another line of lenses, "RF-s" as cheaper, smaller options?Do you think that Canon will make a high megapixel FF sensor with fast enough AF in the near future? I would have thought a fast 20 mpx APS-C would be more likely.
But that's my point, that is all incremental, it would all be nice to have and in an incremental update you will get some of it, but none of it is a "big deal".
The sensor is the most important if not the only one that needs and improvement in 7DII. And I am not paranoid. I think that even if Canon includes it's latest (2016+) sensor technology (and probably remove the AA filter) it would be just fine. Other important and doable upgrade points would be an AF system with all points working at f/8 and bigger buffer. 10fps and 20Mpixel seem just OK to me..
Exactly. Things like affordable FF digital sensors, 4K video (love it or hate it) are big deals if you need or want that functionality, it seems nobody can list a 7D MkIII feature that would be that big deal.True. But it that case you would have to say the NOTHING is a big deal.
I do not think so. I believe that 7DII users have some special needs (like birding) and at least in this Forum you saw 7DII users caring for the most important thing like sensor IQ and not much about bells and whistles. I have never cared about Sony (well except in the past for their walkmans, mini disks, etc) and I cannot think of a Sony camera as a direct competitor to 7DII. Maybe Nikon's D500 (especially with the latest 500 5.6 lens) for people who have no serious investment in Canon lenses but not Sony.Exactly. Things like affordable FF digital sensors, 4K video (love it or hate it) are big deals if you need or want that functionality, it seems nobody can list a 7D MkIII feature that would be that big deal.
I was just interested in what those that are clamoring for a 7D MkIII considered a "big deal". We have to be honest, DSLR's are mature products, cameras and imaging products might have a long way to go but for the DSLR advocates out there we probably need to be thinking that there aren't any more 'big deal' moments out there for us just modest increments. Another stop of DR, a couple of fps, tweaked AF algorithms and illuminated buttons aren't going to make an iotas difference for most 7D MkII users and would elicit the usual DOA/I'm jumping ship/Sony have been doing that for years catcalls.
I do not think so. I believe that 7DII users have some special needs (like birding) and at least in this Forum you saw 7DII users caring for the most important thing like sensor IQ and not much about bells and whistles. I have never cared about Sony (well except in the past for their walkmans, mini disks, etc) and I cannot think of a Sony camera as a direct competitor to 7DII. Maybe Nikon's D500 (especially with the latest 500 5.6 lens) for people who have no serious investment in Canon lenses but not Sony.
I got over the IQ by getting the 5DsR. It gets me better images below ISO 1000 and I am able to remove the noise by one-stage process. Back when I was using 7DII I had to use two denoising programs to achieve a similar result. So no better photographs but much simpler Post Processing for me. I already mentioned that I do not need other things like better video or tilting screen or more megapixels or more fps. It is just that 5DsR is more suitable for still subjects that makes me wish for 7DIII.I have to agree with PBD and think his point of asking what would be a big deal from those knocking incremental updates is a valid question. I myself would like to know that because I am ignorant as to what would be the special needs. I don't shoot birds anymore, but I used to. I don't shoot sports anymore either. But I would like to know what the big improvements might be because those improvements might carry over into a camera of the future that I might use for what I do (mostly portraits and fashion / editorial). A lot of things people get upset over are not a big deal and I think some people really do believe that if they got what they want in an update will make them better photographers. That isn't true.
I got over the IQ by getting the 5DsR. It gets me better images below ISO 1000 and I am able to remove the noise by one-stage process. Back when I was using 7DII I had to use two denoising programs to achieve a similar result. So no better photographs but much simpler Post Processing for me. I already mentioned that I do not need other things like better video or tilting screen or more megapixels or more fps.
The Nikon D7200 also doesn't have an AA-filter! It has an excellent reputation for IQ as well.jeah, i agree with you and 20mp is totaly fine. the 21mp d500 takes sharper pictures than the 24mp d7200 because it doesnt have an aa filter.
If you'd read the thread you'd realize that makes no sense. You say the only thing that will make a 'big deal' moment for the majority of 7D MkII users in a 7D MkIII would be increased IQ. I already posted that the majority of 7D mkII users are not shooting below 400iso and that is the only area where you are going to see actual visible IQ improvements with current sensor technology, the best APS-C sensors are no better (visually) than the 7D MkII is above 400iiso.I do not think so. I believe that 7DII users have some special needs (like birding) and at least in this Forum you saw 7DII users caring for the most important thing like sensor IQ and not much about bells and whistles. I have never cared about Sony (well except in the past for their walkmans, mini disks, etc) and I cannot think of a Sony camera as a direct competitor to 7DII. Maybe Nikon's D500 (especially with the latest 500 5.6 lens) for people who have no serious investment in Canon lenses but not Sony.
If you'd read the thread you'd realize that makes no sense. You say the only thing that will make a 'big deal' moment for the majority of 7D MkII users in a 7D MkIII would be increased IQ. I already posted that the majority of 7D mkII users are not shooting below 400iso and that is the only area where you are going to see actual visible IQ improvements with current sensor technology, the best APS-C sensors are no better (visually) than the 7D MkII is above 400iiso.
I didn't say that there are other APS-C sensors better now. I cannot/don't know. I mentioned that up to about ISO 1000 5DsR (which has the same pixel density with 7DII) is better than 7DII (at pixel level) which makes Post Processing much easier for me. So since at the same pixel level there is already a better Canon sensor since 2015 they could also include 5DIV's sensor technology in future 5DsRII and 7DIII cameras. In such context a 7DIII would have visible IQ improvements in general and not only below ISO 400.If you'd read the thread you'd realize that makes no sense. You say the only thing that will make a 'big deal' moment for the majority of 7D MkII users in a 7D MkIII would be increased IQ. I already posted that the majority of 7D mkII users are not shooting below 400iso and that is the only area where you are going to see actual visible IQ improvements with current sensor technology, the best APS-C sensors are no better (visually) than the 7D MkII is above 400iiso.
There are so many things that could be improved that make a big difference to most people, even though it seems small when you look at each individually.
better high iso performance (achivable trough bsi or even better proccesing: double digit 8 proccesors)
better high iso performance (achivable trough bsi or even better proccesing: double digit 8 proccesors)