No one knows, and we don't even know whether there will be a 90D.I haven't read through this entire thread, so excuse me if this has been addressed before, but is the 90D going to have two processors, like the 7dII, or just one, ala the 80D?
No one knows, and we don't even know whether there will be a 90D.I haven't read through this entire thread, so excuse me if this has been addressed before, but is the 90D going to have two processors, like the 7dII, or just one, ala the 80D?
No one knows, and we don't even know whether there will be a 90D.
87D?So is it going to be an 8D MkII/7D MkIII/or 90D? If they put the dual processors and the rugged body armor into a body with the flip screen and WiFi, Bluetooth capabilities, that would be the best of the 80D and the 7D MkII, I'm going to be interested in what it actually can do. The 80D is a great APSC camera, as far as I know (I bought one of the first ones). If this camera really does embrace the best of these two Canon "Winners"", then it would be a really hard product to beat, other than the subtleties of the mirrorless technology and newer ML lens technology is concerned. I will be looking at this one for sure.
I'm still amused about how many people argue about printing posters when large resolution sensors are discussed.
It's not about printing posters. It's about increasing range through cropping, and allowing downsampling to reduce the problems with bayer filters.
Thank you!
Why can't it be about both?
Wouldnt count on it. Canon released the M50, R, RP, and SL3 all with DIGIC 8, all with video crops. It's clearly not a function of sensor size or anything, they just cant (or wont) deliver 4k without crop. This camera will 100% have a crop factor in 4k on top of 1.6x from APS-C. Im not sure how the binning changes from a 24MP sensor to a 32MP sensor, but I'd count on it being similar to the 2.5x crop overall that the SL3 and M50.What was nice with the 70 and 80 D were its usefulness for video. I wonder with their supposed replacement here, will we see 4k only with the 1.8x crop or perhaps canon surprises us with this apsc ?
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I woudn't count on anything from Canon either. But the Cameras you nentioned may use a new processor, but all of them use sensors from 2017 (6D II = RP) or 2016 (5D IV = R, 80D = M50).Wouldnt count on it. Canon released the M50, R, RP, and SL3 all with DIGIC 8, all with video crops. It's clearly not a function of sensor size or anything, they just cant (or wont) deliver 4k without crop. This camera will 100% have a crop factor in 4k on top of 1.6x from APS-C.
True. Canon shows that quite frequently by implementing 4K without proper AF (M50) or with crops that somewhat defeat the benefits of using full frame cameras.I am SO tired of hearing about the 4K tech of yore, that hasn't been implemented into the modern day DSLR's. Just because it's "4K" doesn;t mean a thing, as far as the way the final product will be implemented.
I lost interest in video quite a while ago. But this attitude is weird to me anyway.Buy a dedicated video camera if you want to use 4K video in your final production.
Anecdotal observation of 10s of 1000s does mean something, and does resonate with my serial observations of smaller numbers. Canon is just so frustrating. It's not that you can't get good nature images from Canon gear, it's that they could do better and they seem complacent about it. The Nikon D500 is a much better camera than the 7DII in terms of AF and IQ and other features as is the D850 compared with the 5DIV. Nikon has a lightweight modern 300mm f/4 PF (PF =DO) and 500mm 5/5.6 PF, doing with Canon's own technology what Canon should have done. Canon is still peddling a 20 year old much heavier, bigger, lower IQ and IS 300mm f/4, and its excellent 400mm f/4 DO II is much heavier than the 500 PF and really expensive. I prefer the Canon 100-400mm II but the Nikkor 200-500mm/D500 combination is very appealing to those making a choice between Nikon and Canon.Just back from a regional migratory bird festival which attracts tens of thousands of wildlife pro's and affluent photo enthusiasts. 5 years ago that event would have been 80% Canon. Now ( based on my observation) I would say Canon and Nikon are evenly splitting about 60% of the market with Sony, Olympus and other MILC brands splitting the rest. Canon big and little whites were no more than 10 or 15% of the lenses with the majority now being the Sigma and Tamron superzooms. I don't see how a 90D with a 32 MP sensor is going to turn that around.
I get that Canon is cautious and concerned about the overall market but they really need to come up with some compelling products or the wildlife market is going to pass them by. I'd say MILC are only a generation or so behind for sports/action and the next 12 months are going to be a big release period for Sony.
Yes. I'm sure the 1DX3 will be outstanding but that market is shrinking too. I might have seen half a dozen pro (1D/D4-5) bodies. Five years ago there would have been a hundred. People want what they want but Canon still thinks they can bend the market to what they choose to provide. I don't think that's going to be a winning strategy this time around.
Yes. I conciously observed at least a thousand and casually observed several additional thousands so I'm confident that it's a reasonable sample of the US birding/wildlife market. I'd also say that the Nikon gear appeared to be more recently purchased than the Canon gear. The Sony's, and other MILC's as well. I don't recall seeing an EOS R/RP or a Nikon Z but there may have been.Anecdotal observation of 10s of 1000s does mean something, and does resonate with my serial observations of smaller numbers. Canon is just so frustrating. It's not that you can't get good nature images from Canon gear, it's that they could do better and they seem complacent about it. The Nikon D500 is a much better camera than the 7DII in terms of AF and IQ and other features as is the D850 compared with the 5DIV. Nikon has a lightweight modern 300mm f/4 PF (PF =DO) and 500mm 5/5.6 PF, doing with Canon's own technology what Canon should have done. Canon is still peddling a 20 year old much heavier, bigger, lower IQ and IS 300mm f/4, and its excellent 400mm f/4 DO II is much heavier than the 500 PF and really expensive. I prefer the Canon 100-400mm II but the Nikkor 200-500mm/D500 combination is very appealing to those making a choice between Nikon and Canon.
I guarantee you you've watched movies shot on a GH4 or a7III and didnt even realize it. This isnt cell phone video...Panasonic in particular is a widely praised implementation of 4k.Just because a camera company offers some specifications that are sounding better than the other companies doesn't mean that they are going to be a reliable standard.
I travel for my government funded grant work, I dont have the luxury of throwing in a C300 along with my DSLRs, and my whole goal is to condense my kit. The very point of owning a camera of this style is that it can do multiple things, even with some tradeoffs. But super cropped 4k with no DPAF is a trade off that makes every other brand more appealing.Buy a dedicated video camera if you want to use 4K video in your final production.
I actually did upgrade my GH4 to a GH5 because I wanted dedicated audio inputs (another thing Canon doesnt deliver that Sony/Panasonic do). My dream goal was to own my 80D and 90D, the 90D shooting useable 4k, both sharing the same battery type so I could further condense my kit. I even considered the RP, because at its price point its tempting, but the video is mediocre, the battery is weak, and I dont want to further lock myself into Canon at this point.@ preppyak Buy a GH4 and go to the Panasonic forums to pat them on the back for the "Awesome" job they did/are doing. We won't miss you pal.![]()
7d speed, build quality and focus system with everything else from an 80d should do it! To be honest an 80d sensor in a 7d2 would do me fine.if they ever do merge the 7D and the 80D they should name it 9D. However, I am not sure how those two very different body options can be merged in a way both type of uses will be happy with them.
G.A., you might be right, but on the other hand, I don't know if you've seen the postings on the Andy Rouse thread here, Andy Rouse tweeted about some “new kit” - unreleased camera or lens? which I'm guessing could be an R camera in development under testing. And, if so, seems to be giving some pretty hot results!The EOS R line could be years away from delivering a competent wildlife body.
The 80D sensor in a 7DIII would not do me fine as neither would the 7DII AF system. My 5DSR gives better AF than did my old 7DII as does a 1.6x crop of the 5DSR gives better IQ than the 7DII. The 80D has better DR at low iso but otherwise the IQ of the 5DSR is better. So, I want the Canon 7DIII to have improved AF and IQ up to the D500.7d speed, build quality and focus system with everything else from an 80d should do it! To be honest an 80d sensor in a 7d2 would do me fine.
I hope you're right. I guess we'll see. Presently, expecting high speed continuous focusing from DPAF is a bit like a hammering a square peg into a round hole. I guess Canon will work it out eventually.G.A., you might be right, but on the other hand, I don't know if you've seen the postings on the Andy Rouse thread here, Andy Rouse tweeted about some “new kit” - unreleased camera or lens? which I'm guessing could be an R camera in development under testing. And, if so, seems to be giving some pretty hot results!
Cheers.
The 80D sensor in a 7DIII would not do me fine as neither would the 7DII AF system. My 5DSR gives better AF than did my old 7DII as does a 1.6x crop of the 5DSR gives better IQ than the 7DII. The 80D has better DR at low iso but otherwise the IQ of the 5DSR is better. So, I want the Canon 7DIII to have improved AF and IQ up to the D500.
Just back from a regional migratory bird festival which attracts tens of thousands of wildlife pro's and affluent photo enthusiasts. 5 years ago that event would have been 80% Canon. Now ( based on my observation) I would say Canon and Nikon are evenly splitting about 60% of the market with Sony, Olympus and other MILC brands splitting the rest. Canon big and little whites were no more than 10 or 15% of the lenses with the majority now being the Sigma and Tamron superzooms. I don't see how a 90D with a 32 MP sensor is going to turn that around.
I get that Canon is cautious and concerned about the overall market but they really need to come up with some compelling products or the wildlife market is going to pass them by. I'd say MILC are only a generation or so behind for sports/action and the next 12 months are going to be a big release period for Sony.
Yes. I'm sure the 1DX3 will be outstanding but that market is shrinking too. I might have seen half a dozen pro (1D/D4-5) bodies. Five years ago there would have been a hundred. People want what they want but Canon still thinks they can bend the market to what they choose to provide. I don't think that's going to be a winning strategy this time around.