ND filters

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dilbert said:
neuroanatomist said:
I have a couple of step-up rings (67mm and 72mm up to 77mm). No issues with vignetting. One problem is that, with rare exceptions, a step-up ring and larger filter precludes use of the lens hood, meaning less contrast, more flare, and less protection. They also tend to get stuck, so have a set of filter wrenches.
Baffles can help here, as can an extra hand by itself or holding a card/hat/etc to keep out stray light.

The hood isn't the only way to block out incident light. Just look at the baffles used in hollywood.
Can you point me to any alternate "hoods" that would screw into an 82mm filter thread? I have a Mamiya rubber lens hood that screws into a 77mm filter thread but that one is for longer lenses. I use it for shooting hockey with my 70-200mm and 7D... I especially like it if I'm ever shooting through the glass... I can put it right up the glass and if the players hit the boards or someone bumps me it has some give so I won't get a black eye!
 

Hillsilly

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Oct 16, 2010
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A bit late, but if you are in Australia, I've found the the best place to buy filters is ebay. There are a couple of UK and Canadian businesses in particular that carry an extensive filter range with well priced, quick postage. As you've discovered, local shops either don't carry a full range or ask exorbitant prices. B&H, Adorama etc are great for bigger purchases, but their postage costs make them uncompetitive for smaller items.
 

gmrza

EOS 7D MK II
Jan 21, 2011
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Hillsilly said:
A bit late, but if you are in Australia, I've found the the best place to buy filters is ebay. There are a couple of UK and Canadian businesses in particular that carry an extensive filter range with well priced, quick postage. As you've discovered, local shops either don't carry a full range or ask exorbitant prices. B&H, Adorama etc are great for bigger purchases, but their postage costs make them uncompetitive for smaller items.
That is the conclusion I am coming to. I should have been more proactive, and ordered something from overseas, but my wife had hundreds of prints that needed to get out to clients, so my time was occupied with trips to Collingwood to pick up prints....

I guess that is a reason for another trip to Tassie after I get hold of some black glass....
 

PeterJ

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Aug 6, 2011
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gmrza said:
I guess that is a reason for another trip to Tassie after I get hold of some black glass....
If you'll be down south try giving Walch Optics in Hobart a call, I haven't been in there myself yet (been meaning to) but a few people have told me they carry good stock of some more obscure and/or professional items. They might also be able to order one and have it ready for you to pick up.
 

te4o

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Feb 22, 2011
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1. Has anyone tried Heliopan ND filters - my search did suggest some controversies about color casting etc but overall a good impression.
2. 82 mm Schneider Kreuznach is really difficult to order outside the US. Neuro, how is yours going? I need to put a 82 on my 21 CZ Distagon and want to step down to 72 and 67 over adapters. Good idea with the baffles, dilbert, thanks.
3. Schott glass seems to match the Zeiss glass somehow in the reviews. Is there any suggestion that certain lens types "prefer" certain filter makes? in terms of color and sharpness in particular. Do you loose sharpness when using a 3-stop ND B+W or whatever?
I just can't find an answer to these questions anywhere, guys, sorry! I need some advice before a spend half the price of a new S100... on one filter...
 

leGreve

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Go for the Heliopan... they are, if not the best, amongst the top in the world. Hardly any light fall off and image degradation. I can highly recommend them.
 

gmrza

EOS 7D MK II
Jan 21, 2011
521
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PeterJ said:
gmrza said:
I guess that is a reason for another trip to Tassie after I get hold of some black glass....
If you'll be down south try giving Walch Optics in Hobart a call, I haven't been in there myself yet (been meaning to) but a few people have told me they carry good stock of some more obscure and/or professional items. They might also be able to order one and have it ready for you to pick up.
Hobart will be our first stop - driving through after we get off the ferry in Devonport, so I will give it a bash. Thanks for the hint. I've dropped them an email...
 

te4o

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Feb 22, 2011
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Thanks, leGreve! Ordered Heliopan 82 10 stops and 3 stops with step up adapters. Not there yet - Germany is a long way away from me now.
Now, after trying NIKSoftware I can't see a justification for a graduated ND anymore. That one does the job for me. I am impatient to try Silver Efex Pro with the 10 Stop Heliopan.
 

neuroanatomist

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te4o said:
2. 82 mm Schneider Kreuznach is really difficult to order outside the US. Neuro, how is yours going? I need to put a 82 on my 21 CZ Distagon and want to step down to 72 and 67 over adapters.
Finally had a brief chance to try it yesterday, in between rain and work obligations. The scene is a busy area of downtown Boston, the reflecting glass is side of the Hancock Tower, the tallest building in New England, dwarfing the Trinity Church across the street. Shots are with the 5DII + TS-E 24mm f/3.5L II, +10 shift.

The first shot is a 1/6 s exposure, the second is a 30 s exposure during which several pedestrians walked through the scene, along with cars passing between the buildings. Thanks to the long exposure, they're not visible.

Like my B+W 77mm 10-stop ND, this 10-stop filter does warm up the color temperature a bit - I didn't correct in post because in this case (dull gray, overcast day), I think it's beneficial.
 

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gmrza

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Jan 21, 2011
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PeterJ said:
gmrza said:
I guess that is a reason for another trip to Tassie after I get hold of some black glass....
If you'll be down south try giving Walch Optics in Hobart a call, I haven't been in there myself yet (been meaning to) but a few people have told me they carry good stock of some more obscure and/or professional items. They might also be able to order one and have it ready for you to pick up.
Thanks for the hint - I got hold of Francis at Walch Optics, and organised to buy a B+W 10 stop ND while I was in Hobart.

The day after that I was off to Mount Field National Park.
This was one of my first shots at Russell Falls:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/specular-images/6451030707/
(7D with 17-40mm f/4. My wife was shooting with the 5DII and 24-105mm f/4, which gave some more pleasing results, having a wider angle.)

The only real problem I have experienced is with my 2 year old daughter getting impatient with me while I am setting up a shot and she is perched in a carrier on my back....
I have no idea why she had a problem dangling over the water while I balanced the 7D on a log using a Gorillapod to set up this shot:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/specular-images/6451934319/
 
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gmrza said:
PeterJ said:
gmrza said:
I guess that is a reason for another trip to Tassie after I get hold of some black glass....
If you'll be down south try giving Walch Optics in Hobart a call, I haven't been in there myself yet (been meaning to) but a few people have told me they carry good stock of some more obscure and/or professional items. They might also be able to order one and have it ready for you to pick up.
Thanks for the hint - I got hold of Francis at Walch Optics, and organised to buy a B+W 10 stop ND while I was in Hobart.

The day after that I was off to Mount Field National Park.
This was one of my first shots at Russell Falls:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/specular-images/6451030707/
(7D with 17-40mm f/4. My wife was shooting with the 5DII and 24-105mm f/4, which gave some more pleasing results, having a wider angle.)

The only real problem I have experienced is with my 2 year old daughter getting impatient with me while I am setting up a shot and she is perched in a carrier on my back....
I have no idea why she had a problem dangling over the water while I balanced the 7D on a log using a Gorillapod to set up this shot:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/specular-images/6451934319/
fantastic, what was the exact filter you got and how much?

I grew up in Devonport... hope you didn't get sea sick on that ferry ;)
 

gmrza

EOS 7D MK II
Jan 21, 2011
521
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niccyboy said:
fantastic, what was the exact filter you got and how much?

I grew up in Devonport... hope you didn't get sea sick on that ferry ;)
I got the B+W 10 stop, which set us back $159, in Melbourne the few shops I took a quick look at were asking $220 or more, whereas at B&H, I think it was $125 plus shipping. As Neuro mentioned, it has a bit of a warming effect - I was initially a little less complimentary about that, referring to is as a "brown cast". That is easily corrected in Lightroom however.

Walch Optics is like a trip back in time as far as camera shops go - loads of interesting stuff - you don't really get camera shops like the any more - even Michael's in Melbourne (expensive as they are) has way to "polished and commercialised" a feel.

The ferry ride was quite uneventful, but great fun for the kids. Fortunately my sea legs are good, and you are not on the water long enough to experience any after effects when back on dry land.

The trip to Tassie gave some great photo opportunities - only 2 weeks was way too short. Also, having kids in tow made it difficult to be at interesting places when the light was good. I will have to make another trip there!
 

PeterJ

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Aug 6, 2011
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gmrza said:
Walch Optics is like a trip back in time as far as camera shops go - loads of interesting stuff - you don't really get camera shops like the any more - even Michael's in Melbourne (expensive as they are) has way to "polished and commercialised" a feel.
Great shots and glad the Walch Optics suggestion worked out well. Definitely must get in their now after hearing an opinion from someone in Melbourne where there's a lot more shops. Not sure how many times in the past I've put it off given it's an 'epic' journey of about 10 mins for me ::).
 

gmrza

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Jan 21, 2011
521
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PeterJ said:
gmrza said:
Walch Optics is like a trip back in time as far as camera shops go - loads of interesting stuff - you don't really get camera shops like the any more - even Michael's in Melbourne (expensive as they are) has way to "polished and commercialised" a feel.
Great shots and glad the Walch Optics suggestion worked out well. Definitely must get in their now after hearing an opinion from someone in Melbourne where there's a lot more shops. Not sure how many times in the past I've put it off given it's an 'epic' journey of about 10 mins for me ::).
Thanks for the suggestion.

I'm not sure what their prices are like on other things - I only really paid attention to the ND filter. They seem to have loads of 2nd hand gear, a lot of it looking fairly decent. You certainly get a better attitude and great customer service, which is just lacking at places like Teds and Digital Camera Warehouse.
 

thepancakeman

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Aug 18, 2011
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So here's a question--how do you decide which lens(es) to get ND filters for? So far I pretty much suck at anything but sports photography, but I'm having fun playing. My wife has a whole bunch o' lenses (see my sig) that I can play with and the ND filters look like fun. Any suggestions?
 

neuroanatomist

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thepancakeman said:
So here's a question--how do you decide which lens(es) to get ND filters for? So far I pretty much suck at anything but sports photography, but I'm having fun playing. My wife has a whole bunch o' lenses (see my sig) that I can play with and the ND filters look like fun. Any suggestions?
If you're willing to forego the hood, get a filter sized for your largest-diameter filter threads, then get inexpensive adapter rings to use the larger filter on smaller lenses.
 

gmrza

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Jan 21, 2011
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thepancakeman said:
So here's a question--how do you decide which lens(es) to get ND filters for? So far I pretty much suck at anything but sports photography, but I'm having fun playing. My wife has a whole bunch o' lenses (see my sig) that I can play with and the ND filters look like fun. Any suggestions?
My view is that you would probably look at which lenses you use to shoot landscape, as those are the ones you will generally use a ND filter with. Your 24-105mm and 70-200 both have 77mm threads, so you may want to look at a 77mm filter (I don't think you had anything bigger than 77mm). I would guess those are the lenses you are most likely to use a ND filter with. You probably would be shooting with the aperture stopped down as well to get sharper images and reduce vignetting (mainly an issue with the 24-105 on full frame however), so you probably would not want to bother with using a ND on a fast prime. As neuro said, you can also get adapter rings.

Our main use of the ND (although only recently purchased) has been with the 17-40mm f/4L on the 7D and the 24-105mm f/4L on the 5DmkII.
 

neuroanatomist

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gmrza said:
You probably would be shooting with the aperture stopped down as well to get sharper images and reduce vignetting (mainly an issue with the 24-105 on full frame however), so you probably would not want to bother with using a ND on a fast prime. As neuro said, you can also get adapter rings.
For landscapes, true. Also true for a 10-stop filter.

But another common use of ND filters is when using fast primes for outdoor portraits - on a bright day, at f/1.2 even 1/8000 s may not be short enough. Also, using even f/2.8 on a bright day where you want to use fill flash will result in overexposure if you're limited to your max sync speed - so, you can either use HSS if your flash supports that (and blow through your batteries), or use an ND filter to knock down the light (as long as you have enough flash power).

In addition to my usual 82mm and 77mm filters, I have a 72mm 3-stop ND for outdoor portraits - it's great that the 35L, 85L, and 135L all use a 72mm filter...
 

gmrza

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Jan 21, 2011
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neuroanatomist said:
gmrza said:
You probably would be shooting with the aperture stopped down as well to get sharper images and reduce vignetting (mainly an issue with the 24-105 on full frame however), so you probably would not want to bother with using a ND on a fast prime. As neuro said, you can also get adapter rings.
For landscapes, true. Also true for a 10-stop filter.

But another common use of ND filters is when using fast primes for outdoor portraits - on a bright day, at f/1.2 even 1/8000 s may not be short enough. Also, using even f/2.8 on a bright day where you want to use fill flash will result in overexposure if you're limited to your max sync speed - so, you can either use HSS if your flash supports that (and blow through your batteries), or use an ND filter to knock down the light (as long as you have enough flash power).

In addition to my usual 82mm and 77mm filters, I have a 72mm 3-stop ND for outdoor portraits - it's great that the 35L, 85L, and 135L all use a 72mm filter...
I have to admit I was thinking totally in "landscape mode" - which is the main use for a 10 stop ND. I would agree about the 72mm 3 stop - as its use is mainly for portraits. On a crop frame body, a 58mm may be a good idea for use with a 50mm f/1.4. My 3 stop ND is still a square Cokin (from film shooting days) so I just need the appropriate size ring for each lens. Those are a lot more cumbersome to work with though. - For my wife's work, Cokin filters aren't an option as she doesn't have the time to mess with them, but then she finances my gear addiction. 8)