Patent: Canon EF 1000mm f/5.6 IS DO

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FramerMCB said:
I believe the OP'er was referring to only the current Canon user group - significantly less than 7 billion. Say around 10-15 million (this is a purely hypothetical WAG on my part), so maybe around 100,000 or so (1% of 10M)... :eek:

If Canon makes this lens and actually sells 100,000 of them, I'd eat my hat (if I wore a hat). It'll be priced high enough to recoup development costs, but really a lens like this is all about promoting the brand with the 'wow factor'.
 
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My best guess, if this lens becomes (a sweet) reality, is a cost of approximately 2x to 2-1/2x what the current 400mm f4.0 DO IS is. Which I believe is around $6,700USD. So somewhere between $14,000USD - $17,000USD.

I don't believe they would even attempt to commercialize it, if it were going to be very north of $20,000USD because recouping the development and extra manufacturing costs would be very hard to do, due to a limited market for it. (Just my opinion as I have not done any research whatsoever on Canon's current and historical sales of their big whites.)
 
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neuroanatomist said:
FramerMCB said:
I believe the OP'er was referring to only the current Canon user group - significantly less than 7 billion. Say around 10-15 million (this is a purely hypothetical WAG on my part), so maybe around 100,000 or so (1% of 10M)... :eek:

If Canon makes this lens and actually sells 100,000 of them, I'd eat my hat (if I wore a hat). It'll be priced high enough to recoup development costs, but really a lens like this is all about promoting the brand with the 'wow factor'.

Me too! But not eat your hat...my own hat. :p

My number of 100,000 or so, would just be the market demographic for this lens. The number of photographers that would then actually be potential/likely purchases would be even less. Because many Pros would not have a need for this lens even if their budget would allow it...
 
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scottkinfw said:
Canon Rumors said:
Howabout a 1000mm replacement for the EF 800mm f/5.6L IS? A patent showing the optical formula for an <a href="http://egami.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2016-06-06">EF 1000mm f/5.6 IS DO</a> has appeared.</p>
<p>We’ve seen the prototype for a future <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/more-images-of-the-canon-ef-600mm-f4-do-br-lens/">EF 600mm f/4 IS DO BR </a>already, and the likelihood of seeing more DO lenses I think is pretty high. A 1000mm lens would be a great replacement for the current 800mm lens.</p>
<p>Patent Publication No. 2016-102852 (Google Translated)</p>
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<li>Published 2016.6.2</li>
<li>Filing date 2014.11.27</li>
<li>Zoom ratio 1.00</li>
<li>Focal length 950.00</li>
<li>F-number 5.80</li>
<li>Angle of view 1.30</li>
<li>Image height 21.64</li>
<li>Overall length of the lens 485.94</li>
<li>BF 0.40</li>
<li>Canon patent</li>
<li>Positive and negative Shibomake</li>
<li>Diffractive optical element (first group)</li>
<li>Inner focus (the second group)</li>
</ul>
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What kind of a job do I need to be able to afford this? It will be out of financial reach for 99%+ of mere mortals. Sadly.

sek

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The egami website that leaked the news says below the patent (jpn.translation): "cannot imagine the amount of money but the target group is EF 1200/5.6L USM and AI NIKKOR 1200-1700/5.6-8 ED IF users".

Do you know how many EF 1200/5.6L lenses were sold and to whom? It's in the forum.

As for the Nikkor counterpart user profile, see picture below.

So, this kind of target group doesn't care about cost, their agency pays. Only cares about portability.
 

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George D. said:
The egami website that leaked the news says below the patent (jpn.translation): "cannot imagine the amount of money but the target group is EF 1200/5.6L USM and AI NIKKOR 1200-1700/5.6-8 ED IF users".

Do you know how many EF 1200/5.6L lenses were sold and to whom? It's in the forum.

As for the Nikkor counterpart user profile, see picture below.

So, this kind of target group doesn't care about cost, their agency pays. Only cares about portability.

1. No leak involved, Egami is a site that monitors public releases of patents, anyone can do it.

2. The 1200mm lenses were built for a specific baseball stadium in Japan, they could zoom in on the pitcher at 1200mm and the batter at 1700mm. With the Canon, you had to use the built-in TC to get 1680mm. Later, the newspapers started using them for other purposes. The cost is unknown, probably $75K in todays dollars.


The very high prices for the few copies of those lenses are based on the limited number available. A 1000mm lens will probably not change the value of them, they are for individuals who have the money and desire to collect rare items.


From the Nikon Web site:

http://www.nikon.com/about/feelnikon/recollections/r16_e/index.htm
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At Koshien Stadium the photographers' seats are situated next to the center-field back screen so as to enable news photographers to shoot the home plate, which is over 130 meters away. From this position it requires a focal length of 1200mm to capture the pitcher, the catcher, and the batter in frame, and a focal length of 1700mm to shoot a full-frame vertical photograph of the batter. In short, the 1200-1700mm was developed for shooting pictures from the photographers' seats at Koshien Stadium.

In 1980s, a rival company was making a 1200mm f/5.6 super telephoto lens. The newspapers were beginning to switch over to cameras made by this company in order to use the lens in their coverage of baseball at Koshien Stadium.

In May 1989, Nikon rushed to begin development of its own super telephoto lens for Koshien Stadium. The company resolved to complete the prototype by March 1990, in response to the fervent wishes of the newspapers.

"In order to complete the prototype by March, we had to complete the blueprints by the preceding July. Time was short. Moreover, we just didn't know where to start," says the mechanical designer of the lens.
"Seeing that we were developing a lens from scratch, it would be pointless if we did not surpass our competitor. The competitor's lens had a built-in teleconverter, which served as the mechanism for switching the focal length between 1200mm and 1700mm. We decided not to use a switching mechanism, and instead selected a zoom mechanism that enabled the photographer to freely adjust the focal length in the 1200mm to 1700mm range. Although the zoom method is more complex (both optically and mechanically), we knew that it would make framing adjustment easier and produce better photographs," adds the lens's optical designer.
 
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FramerMCB said:
AlanF said:
scottkinfw said:
What kind of a job do I need to be able to afford this? It will be out of financial reach for 99%+ of mere mortals. Sadly.

sek

1% of the population of mortals of the world is 70 million, which should keep the Canon production line going for some time.

I believe the OP'er was referring to only the current Canon user group - significantly less than 7 billion. Say around 10-15 million (this is a purely hypothetical WAG on my part), so maybe around 100,000 or so (1% of 10M)... :eek:

Unfortunately, some don't recognize when a comment is humorous unless it has a :) after it.
 
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George D. said:
The egami website that leaked the news says below the patent (jpn.translation): "cannot imagine the amount of money but the target group is EF 1200/5.6L USM and AI NIKKOR 1200-1700/5.6-8 ED IF users".

Do you know how many EF 1200/5.6L lenses were sold and to whom? It's in the forum.

As for the Nikkor counterpart user profile, see picture below.

So, this kind of target group doesn't care about cost, their agency pays. Only cares about portability.

Met a retired photojournalist who photographed the inauguration of Bill Clinton using the EF 1200mm f/5.6L. Never found out what agency he worked for, but wow was I jealous. I've been blown away using a 600mm, I can't even imagine 1200mm. 36 pounds isn't light either, and it sounded like he had fun just trying to get it set up.

It would be so awesome to stick a 2x converter on a 1000mm f/5.6 lens..
 
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H. Jones said:
George D. said:
The egami website that leaked the news says below the patent (jpn.translation): "cannot imagine the amount of money but the target group is EF 1200/5.6L USM and AI NIKKOR 1200-1700/5.6-8 ED IF users".


It would be so awesome to stick a 2x converter on a 1000mm f/5.6 lens..

A+

Agreed!!!
 
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j-nord said:
a 1000 DO makes more sense than a 800 replacement. Definitely an attractive offer for wildlife shooters who have a 2x glued to their 500 or 600.

Will it have a 1.4 drop extender included (a la 200-400)? That would nice add-on, like to see all future super teles from Canon to have a drop extender. Best would be multiple factors but I will settle for a single 1.4
 
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