Everything We’ve Been Told About The Canon EOS R7 Mark II

[Canon Rumors]

We’ve received a bunch of communications about the upcoming Canon EOS R7 Mark II, most of which we can’t vet for accuracy. When you can’t vet things, you have to wonder if things are made-up or simply wish lists. I’ll say up front that Canon’s APS-C camera lineup doesn’t really interest me, but I do […]

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[johnchio]

I'm just wishing for a faster readout speed, r5ii level or more consistent af, and that it can be used with a battery grip

 

[SvO2]

I have a hard time believing they’d eliminate the mechanical shutter without also implementing a stacked sensor

 

[neffels]

No mechanical shutter and not stacked makes zero sense unless you mean efcs and electronic only. Which isn't what it sounds like since we already have cameras with that. Or it'd have to be global shutter

 

[keeno]

I think if they manage a fast readout speed (~12ms or faster), upgraded body designcontrol layout, a larger and faster buffer, vastly increased autofocus performance, and inclusion of a CFE-B slot, this would be a winner in my book, and I'd likely buy one.

 

[koenkooi]

I think if they manage a fast readout speed (~12ms or faster), upgraded body designcontrol layout, a larger and faster buffer, vastly increased autofocus performance, and inclusion of a CFE-B slot, this would be a winner in my book, and I'd likely buy one.

Prepare for R5II pricing if ithas all that!

 

[SereneSpeed]

I hope it takes a CFe card. I cannot see how it’s going to have a deep buffer without one. Canon’s got a strange way of bricking the camera while the buffer clears (versus slowing down the frame rate, earlier on).

I recognize that I’m likely not at all the regular use case, but some of my absolute favourite photos have come from being able to hold down the shutter for ten seconds or longer on the R5, in crop mode.

Aren’t CFe write speeds ~2x faster then SD Express?

 

[m4ndr4ke]

As for video, we get the idea that Canon is moving on from “true hybrid” cameras, while they’re all going to have video and stills capabilities, the video side of things are going to end up in more videocentric cameras, as we’ve recently seen with the Cinema EOS C50. It can make photographers, but it’s geared to filmmakers.

Amen to that!

 

[Dragon]

I hope it takes a CFe card. I cannot see how it’s going to have a deep buffer without one. Canon’s got a strange way of bricking the camera while the buffer clears (versus slowing down the frame rate, earlier on).

I recognize that I’m likely not at all the regular use case, but some of my absolute favourite photos have come from being able to hold down the shutter for ten seconds or longer on the R5, in crop mode.

Aren’t CFe write speeds ~2x faster then SD Express?

In theory SD express is about the same speed as CFexpress 4.0, since it uses 2 lanes of PCIE 4.0 to communicate, but there are two catches. Firstly, the only SD express cards currently available are micro cards for the Nintendo Switch and secondly, the standard includes thermal throttling as a feature and without a serious heat sink, even standard size SD express cards are likely to overheat much quicker than a CFe type II card, simply due to size. Canon has been somewhat out front with card adoption as CFe B cards were pretty scarce before the R5 hit the market, so time will tell. Backward compatibility with SD express does not include UHS-II, so without an SD express reader, they have to be read out no faster than UHS-I

 

[DhlcadR6]

Stacked 24~33MP, clog2, buffer at least on par with R5ii, able to battery grip. That would be enough for me to buy.

 

[SvO2]

Prepare for R5II pricing if ithas all that!

Why? Such a thing would basically be an r5ii with a slower and smaller sensor, so it would probably be considerably cheaper. I imagine such a camera would be around r6iii price. Which would be a similar strategy to what canon took back in the dslr days

In theory SD express is about the same speed as CFexpress 4.0, since it uses 2 lanes of PCIE 4.0 to communicate, but there are two catches. Firstly, the only SD express cards currently available are micro cards for the Nintendo Switch and secondly, the standard includes thermal throttling as a feature and without a serious heat sink, even standard size SD express cards are likely to overheat much quicker than a CFe type II card, simply due to size. Canon has been somewhat out front with card adoption as CFe B cards were pretty scarce before the R5 hit the market, so time will tell. Backward compatibility with SD express does not include UHS-II, so without an SD express reader, they have to be read out no faster than UHS-I

SD Express is one lane - CF express is two. But you are correct in that right now a sdexpress card would theoretically be as fast since seemingly no camera implements cfexpress 4.0

 

[Dragon]

Why? Such a thing would basically be an r5ii with a slower and smaller sensor, so it would probably be considerably cheaper. I imagine such a camera would be around r6iii price. Which would be a similar strategy to what canon took back in the dslr days


SD Express is one lane - CF express is two. But you are correct in that right now a sdexpress card would theoretically be as fast since seemingly no camera implements cfexpress 4.0

There are clearly no cards available yet and probably won't soon due to power limitations, but the SD Express standard does allow for two lanes of PCIE 4.0 in full size cards. https://www.sdcard.org/developers/s...peed-default-speed-high-speed-uhs-sd-express/

 

[jam05]

I'm just wishing for a faster readout speed, r5ii level or more consistent af, and that it can be used with a

I'm just wishing for a faster readout speed, r5ii level or more consistent af, and that it can be used with a battery grip

That readout speed requires a faster storage bus.

 

[jam05]

I'm just wishing for a faster readout speed, r5ii level or more consistent af, and that it can be used with a battery grip

R5ii readout speed will require a faster card bus. Faster than a plain SD card.

 

[SvO2]

R5ii readout speed will require a faster card bus. Faster than a plain SD card.

They’re talking about sensor readout speed.

 

[tvih]

I have a hard time believing they’d eliminate the mechanical shutter without also implementing a stacked sensor

Indeed, especially with how much R7 is used for fast-moving subjects in sports and wildlife.

 

[intothewestcalgary]

I’ll say upfront Canons APSC line up interests me, and the R7 has been near perfect *at the price point. I hope it doesn’t get to the $2500Cdn price point (or more - current R7 is $2k). Form factor is also perfect, where i personally find it, along with R6II to be a great size for all types of photography, and much smaller than R5 for travel. Don’t care about joystick - so much is made of this. Made sense in DSLR 9/45/65 point AF days (without eye/animal detect too). Using the back panel is so much quicker anyway. Hopefully they don’t back even more video (re:cooling) features into it. There’s dedicated video cameras, and then all the traditional photo cameras are packing in these features as well. I guess if Canon decides to take that direction with the next R7, this one is still great - only thing I’d like fixing is readout speed, and higher quality EVF. That’s it. Well, my opinion anyway

 

[fox40phil]

Before one year I was thinking to have it already in my hands ….
All those slow developments….
3 years with the R7 now. Currently not often in use :/.. maybe I should sell it now.

 

[Tom R5R7]

Canon indeed needs a fast APS-C body, an R7 version that is exactly like the R5 or R5 II, but with a high pixel density APS-C sensor.

I know that there was a good deal of disappointment when the R7 came out. It isn't/wasn't built in the same rugged vein as the 7D II, but was more of an xxD level camera. I'm sure it was a bit cheaper than it would have been if they'd have used the R5/R6 body ergonomics, but it has been a very good camera despite its being a little less "professional" feeling body than we expected at introduction.

I use my R7 more than my R5, because I do a lot of bird photography, where "pixels per duck" is important. While the R5 has a cleaner sensor, getting the same framing would require an 800 mm lens to replace my 100-500.

My girlfriend is migrating from Nikon due to them basically rendering the APS-C to the low-level amateur level. She currently has been using her D-7200 and D500, both of which are no longer made. In fact, Nikon doesnt' even have something with that pixel density any more. She just bought an R7 as a result, but compared to those two stout bodies, she's rather disappointed.

All that said, Canon (IMHO) needs to step up their APS-C game a bit. a couple of nice lenses, and a solid midrange body like the R7 should have been and I'll be happy. For a while.

 

[David - Sydney]

I hope it takes a CFe card. I cannot see how it’s going to have a deep buffer without one. Canon’s got a strange way of bricking the camera while the buffer clears (versus slowing down the frame rate, earlier on).

I recognize that I’m likely not at all the regular use case, but some of my absolute favourite photos have come from being able to hold down the shutter for ten seconds or longer on the R5, in crop mode.

Following up on @Dragon comments….
Buffer clearance is the only potential issue with not using Cfe cards without any 8k or 4k/120 video. Note that the R7ii (assuming 14 bit) would be 2/3 of the data flow of the R5 so buffer clearance would be faster by default. I would be surprised if canon doesn’t include a reasonable memory buffer especially with the rumored 30-40fps.
Note that raw file sizes can almost halve if craw is used. Minor shadow recovery reduction but users have been happy with that option