How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?

[RLPhoto]

This is a list of things I have found I'd like fixed or updated to in the 5D4 in retrospec of the 7DII release.

Stills Side

1. Blinky AF point
2. Linked AF point Spot Metering
3. 1/250th Sync speed bump. (1/500 would be even more sweet)
4. Built in RT transmitter
5. 7 FPS bump and improved buffer for dual card writing. (pitiful if you use the SD card slot currently.)
6. Dual CF or SD, just pick one or the other.
7. Add dual custom buttons like the 1Dx besides the lens mount.
8??. Did anyone notice the second curtain sync C-fn through PC sync missing in the mk3? I was positive this was on my 5Dc or the 5D2...
9. Make the Rate button do something else beside's rate and protect. :/
10. Slight screen bump in resolution/size and/or Touchscreen with optional toggle.
11. Lastly, Any ISO/IQ/Resolution bump is nice but these other features are much more important to me.
12. Glowing buttons like d4.

Video side.

1. DPAF
2. 4K
3. RAW Video Internally (if possible, Magic lantern will get it anyway.)
4. Peaking
5. Crop Mode 1080P

Thats all I could think of at this moment and if you'd like to add, please do.

 

[Jim Saunders]

ISO compensation in M.
Integral dovetail on the bottom or dual mounting screws.
Stiffer spring or second action for the lens release button.

Jim

 

[scottkinfw]

I agree with the below.

I would also like to see faster/better af
Better ISO
Some better resolution
Some Better dr

sek

 

[3kramd5]

3 fixed the biggest limitation of 2 (AF)
4 ought fix the biggest linitoation of 3 (resolution)

 

[Ruined]

1. Interchangable focus screen (still baffled they took this out of 5D3)
2. ISO performance comparable to 6D

 

[andrewflo]

After seeing the marginal improvements the 7DII offers over the 7D with 5 years of development and technological advances behind it, I'm really nervous to see what the 5DIV could possibly bring to the table.

I really really really want to see all the amazing things we're dreaming of. But man, if we think the 5DIV is coming out in 2015, that's 3 years of advancement... even less than the 7DII had invested in it.

Buuut... I would love to see

• DPAF
• 1 stop or more improvement in ISO
• 1080p 60fps
• 4K video (not holding my breath)
• WiFi
• Built-in RT (like someone else suggested) would be amazing!
• 7D's AF system
• Built in AF assist lamp wouldn't hurt, but not vital
• Focus peaking/Zebras (not holding my breath)

 

[Mitch.Conner]

6. Dual CF. or SD slot is optional, just pick one or the other.

There, I fixed that for you.

 

[Eldar]

My list is not very long:

- Resolution (should be minimum 40MP)
- DR improvement (at low ISO is OK with me, provided they improve it enough)
- Metering locked to AF point
- EC at auto ISO in manual mode

I have never used video on any of my SLRs and I don´t believe I´ll start now ...

 

[9VIII]

A mode dial with 7 letter C's and one M.


The ability to set minimum and maximum ISO, shutter speed, and aperture whenever they are automated.

It would be neat to have something that automatically switches between using a faster shutter speed in daylight and using a higher ISO at your desired minimum shutter speed indoors.

I suppose you could even have a priority tree for which settings to use to compensate for changing conditions first. Have the option to start closing the aperture only after the shutter is already moving as fast as it can (or any speed you set), and vice versa.

 

[dolina]

Have better specs than cameras from Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, Fuji and other brands.

Ditch CF and SD.

Go CFast that exceeds the 167MB/s limit of CF cards. SD cards should be the province of the 6D only.

 

[jrista]

My list...designed to be the all-arounder:

- Histogram based on RAW *!* (screw JPEG! )
- Higher frame rate (8fps, using CP-ADC for low noise, high speed readout)
- More dynamic range (high and low ISO...two stops low, as much as possible high)
- More resolution (~50mp)
- Layered sensor (drop the bayer! with binning capability, so I could bin 2x2, 3x3, maybe even 4x4 for very high ISO, as I'd rather have the SNR than anything ...yes, this would mean 150 million photodiodes)
- iTR metering
- f/8 AF with center zone support (say 13 center af points usable at f/8)
- AF-point linked meter
- DPAF-automated AFMA (and, therefor, DPAF)
- Dual CF (w/ CFast2 support)

 

[stefsan]

I know it's just bells and whistles, but I would quite like the GPS, USB3 and that new lever around the joystick to choose AF settings quickly. Otherwise I would only expect the 5DIV to change in small ways – like getting the new metering and AF systems that look so good on the 7DII spec sheet, a sensor with really low read noise (no banding) and perhaps a few megapixels more resolution, a higher frame rate and a bigger buffer for RAWs (and probably a double processor to handle the data volume), two CF card slots and the weather sealing of the 7DII. That would be all, tank you ;D

 

[Eric05]

This is a list of things I have found I'd like fixed or updated to in the 5D4 in retrospec of the 7DII release.

Stills Side

1. Blinky AF point
2. Linked AF point Spot Metering
3. 1/250th Sync speed bump. (1/500 would be even more sweet)
4. Built in RT transmitter
5. 7 FPS bump and improved buffer for dual card writing. (pitiful if you use the SD card slot currently.)
6. Dual CF or SD, just pick one or the other.
7. Add dual custom buttons like the 1Dx besides the lens mount.
8??. Did anyone notice the second curtain sync C-fn through PC sync missing in the mk3? I was positive this was on my 5Dc or the 5D2...
9. Make the Rate button do something else beside's rate and protect. :/
10. Slight screen bump in resolution/size and/or Touchscreen with optional toggle.
11. Lastly, Any ISO/IQ/Resolution bump is nice but these other features are much more important to me.
12. Glowing buttons like d4.

Video side.

1. DPAF
2. 4K
3. RAW Video Internally (if possible, Magic lantern will get it anyway.)
4. Peaking
5. Crop Mode 1080P

Thats all I could think of at this moment and if you'd like to add, please do.

I do agree with most of your points, just different priorities :

1 ISO / IQ / DR bump first, please (not interested in resolution bump but IQ and DR are priorities for me)
2 USB3, for tethered shooting
3 Dual CF or C Fast
4 1/250th sync speed (I think we can't hope for more)
5 10 fps, same as 7D II, MKIV deserves a dual Digic !
6 Better AF
7 Better lasting batteries


And for video side, I do agree with you (what is DPAF ? Sorry, I'm french). Of course Magic Lantern could do the job but it could be more simple if Canon listen to us...

I was disappointed by the 5D MKIII compared to the MKII, I hope I won't be with the MKIV... After all, the 7D MKII is a pretty good upgrade.

 

[Chris Geiger]

Lift the 30 minute limit for video recording, at least in the US. It should record until it runs out of memory or battery power.

 

[Eric05]

Oh, and last but not least I hope it will use the H265 codec !

 

[moreorless]

The big issue I'd guess will be whether any high resolution Canon body is a 5D4 or something new. If its using multi layer sensor tech my guess would be it'll be a new line(3D?) and the 5D line will remain more of an all rounder.

Obvious changes for that 5D4 would seem to be 4K video, a slight resolution/FPS bump and a slightly improved AF system.

If Canon wanted a headline feature to really catch the eye(besides ultra high resolution) my guess would be a hybrid viewfinder that can switch between an OVF and an EVF.

 

[ChristopherMarkPerez]

Keep the Canon button and knob layout(s). Keep the menuing system. Keep all the system compatibility.

Give me world leading resolution.

Believe me, I'll figure out how to use it.

Even if it's really good only at ISO settings from 50(L) up to 1200 or there-abouts. For Dark of Night work, there are plenty of decent product offerings already, so no need to overlap capabilities if you think it'll cost too much.

 

[Bullwye]

I would love to see the auto ISO functionality improved.

First it should take notice of IS lenses allowing lower ISO.
Second it should be improved when using a flash (atm only ISO 400).
Last but not least it would be cool to bind the min. shutter speed limitation to the focal length and have a correction for this. For instance if I have a 50mm lens and I know my hands are not very steady, I simply put the limitation to 1/125. But on a zoom lens this is not possible currently. Note: Setting it to AUTO takes the focal length into account, but then it would give me 1/200 at 200mm but with shifts that could be corrected to 1/400 or 1/100 based on your personal requirements.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Fix all the silly little things like crippled AutoISO. 7D2 has done that so I'm sure 5D4 will.

Give it metering linked to AF point. So far even the 7D2 lacks that and only some 1 series have it.

MUST have Exmor-level low ISO.

Bump MP up.

MUST have high quality 4k video 10bit 4:2:2 and either 1080pRAW or really, really high quality, crisp, 10-12bit 1080p. No line skipping for anything.

Give it zoomed video modes for more reach for wildlife video shooting.

Bring back interchangeable VF screens. Apparently 7D2 did this so 5D4 would too I'd think.

Maintain at least 6fps despite bumping MP up.

Give it the improved 7D2 AF and metering.

Give it the low-end usability basics for video of magic focus zoomed box, focus peaking, zebras.

Give it RAW histogram.

Give it touch screen and DPAF.

Give it pop-up flash.

Give it GPS.

Give it articulating screen.

Give it APS-C crop mode to save space when shooting reach limited stuff.

Higher flash sync.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

The fps and AF and most basic body specs of the 7D2 are awesome. So it should be awesome at that core stuff.

But the lack of 4k and a new sensor process is worrisome for the future which is bad since I was always looking more towards the 5D4.

I'm no longer sure if the 5D4 will even be able to match Exmor or have 4k video. Everyone who has spoken with Canon reps is sounding super negative all of a sudden about the chances for even the 5D4 to get 4k video. I find that shocking and hard to believe. But I'm getting told that if I expect 4k on the 5D4 that I'm most likely setting myself up for disappointment as Canon still feels 4k is a super premium feature only fit for the $8000+ class buyer for the foreseeable future. And they don't even see them giving it basic low end features like focusing aids or zebras and such since those are 'ultra premium' features in Canon's mind still, apparently.

Sounds dumb to me, since a 5D3+ML would be better for video than the 5D4 then. The 5D4 would have DPAF and 60fps and that is it. It would take ML some time, if ever, to get RAW out of it and until then it would have worse video quality and video usability than the hacked 5D3.

And some feel that they may not even have an Exmor like sensor ready even for the 5D4 either.

I've purchased 6 different and 7 total Canon DSLR, but I'm getting a bad feeling it may be time to quit.
For the first time I'm really stating giving all sorts of other items from other brands really serious looks.
I can't believe how negative the impressions of where Canon may be going I'm hearing from people who went to the trade shows. They are all saying Canon seems to have lost the plot and afraid they will total drop the ball on the 5D4 (no real sensor improvements other than some more MP and no 4k or anything really interesting for video at all beyond DPAF ). Some said Canon told them forget 4k or any video usability features unless the market and users literally force them into it with extreme demand made clear. They insist all that stuff it for high-end people owner and far beyond DSLRs. I hope it was just reps trying to push current stuff and some misinterpreting going on. But even the guy who works for a different Canon division who met some DSLR guys said that was his impression too.