1D Mark IV versus 5D3

[briansquibb]

Re: 1d mk iv or 5d mkiii?

1D4 gives superb IQ. It also has the ability the set min/max shutter speeds in AV mode and have (the equivalent to ) auto iso.

Picture taken today with 400 f/2.8, 1/320th, iso100, f/2.8, ec +1/3

This is the kind of environment where 10fps is priceless

Nice shot Squibby. I can vouch for the 1DIV settings shooting today at the Copa Republica Argentina de Polo. Worked great. Why they can't put that in the 5D3 is beyond me. How many lines of code would that be?

I guess that it is one way to keep distance between the 1DX and 5DIII - after all only 1D4 users would have used it and they want those to move onto the 1DX.

The 1Ds3 has neither auto iso nor the ability to set the min shutter speed above 1/60th - in otherwords pretty useless.

 

[acoll123]

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I have a 1dIV - until the 1DX comes out it is the best camera for sports and action. I just sold my 5DII yesterday and am waiting for my pre-ordered 5DIII. I know this isn't for everybody, but the combination of the two bodies is ideal for the work I do which is a combination of almost everything:
Landscape - was the 5DII will be the 5DIII
Sports (hockey, baseball, basketball, soccer, gynmastics ) - is the 1DIV - used the 5dII for after game celebrations and crowd candids - should be able to use the 5DIII (with battery grip) as more of a true second sports body with a 24-70.
Candids/family/walk-around/parties - as 5DII will be 5DIII - should be great without the battery grip to make it more portable and less obtrusive
Photo-journalism - for an online newspaper - has been either and will probably continue to be so.
Occasional studio/macro/product photography -was 5DII will be 5DIII.
I guess you could just get a 1DX for everything but then you would only have one body - I like a little redundancy . . . for about the same cost at this point in time.

 

[DJL329]

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I'm having trouble deciding also. Currently I have a 7D and love it for its 8fps speed and advanced af system. I do miss the full frame from my old 5d mk1 though (i loved the depth of field etc), but felt I could never switch to a 5d mk2 as it was too slow.
So i was hoping waiting for a fast 5d mk3 to come out, except its not quite as fast as I was hoping for.

I shoot about 75% sports (mostly mountainbiking) and 25% everthing else (events, some weddings etc). Often when i photograph in either situation I am shooting in low light, I dont like to use a flash so I use a big aperture and bump up the iso.

So ideally I want something fast with the better af system and something that can shoot well in low light, + in all weather situations. I really wish the 5d mk3 was faster.

There is no way i can afford a 1dx

The thing about the 1d mk4 that worries me is its a crop sensor and how would image quality compare to that of the 5d mk3. The other thing that worries me is how much better in image quality is the 1d mk4 over the 7d?

Instead of replacing the 7D with either the 1DIV or the 5DIII, why not keep the 7D for when you need the reach and FPS, and get the 5DII for when you need FF and DOF?

 

[WillShootPhotos]

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Someone at work told me that the multilpier on a crop body not only multiplies the focal length but also the apeture meaning a f2.8 lens on a 1.3 crop body a 1 stop smaller (f3.5) and 2 stops on a 1.6 body. Is there much truth in that?

No - zero truth in that... at least not in how much light is actually hitting the sensor... a 2.8 is a 2.8 on FF, 1.3x and 1.6x full stop... (all puns intended - LOL)

Here is the easiset way to think about it... The light from the lens is going to hit the sensor the same way - no matter what "size" (or crop factor) it is... The sensors are still the same distance from the rear element of the lens, so the amount of light hitting the sensor stays the same... (excluding EF-S from this discussion - they extend further back into the body of the camera, rendering them un-mountable due to larger mirror assemblies for FF and 1.3x bodies - the mirror would hit the innermost element of the lens).

The reason the image is "magnified" is more about the "perception" of the magnification and not any real magnification per se...

I think we've all seen those images of a picture shot a FF with a rectangle drawn in to show how much would be "cropped" out (thus - "crop factor" ) for either a 1.3 or 1.6 body. Essentially - you only see the 1.3 amount of the full image, on a 1D4 (or the 1.6 crop on a 7D) when you shoot with it, but you see that amount of the full size image filling the LCD or image file, etc. So it appears to have been magnified - but really, we're just seeing a part of the larger - almost like we cropped the image to get it to "look" more zoomed in...

Of course - some of those bodies pack more pixels into that smaller physical area - so the resolution isn't lower than cropping a ff image off a 5D3 or 1DX...

Clear as mud?

- Will

 

[Vertvorb]

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I have a opportunity to pick up a 2nd hand 1d mk4 for $1000nz less than what the 5d mk3 is going to cost us. Its proving to be a hard choice for me to make as the seller cant tell me how many shots its done, though he says low to mid. The camera has been used regulary for 15 months for a photography business. The camera body looks a little rough with sratches though the seller says they are only cosmetic. He also sad it gets cleaned once a month and last serviced in October.

With the 5d mk3 out any day now I guess I need to make a decission, I have sold my 7d already and there is no way I can afford a brandnew 1d mk4 and 2nd hand ones hardly ever come up for sale (though i have seen plent mk3's).

I am not sure which one to got for, the 5d doesnt look too terrible with 6fps and a burst rate of 18 raw, but the 1d is so much better than that. I feel I dont want to have purchsed one and then wish i had got the other. The 1d looks pretty well used also and brandnew items are always nice to have.

I guess if the 5d had 8fps or faster I would choose that hands down, if this 2nd hand 1d mk4 looked like it hadnt been used so much I would choose that.

 

[JR]

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I would only choose the 1D mkIV over the 5D mkIII only if I really needed the extra reach of the 1.3 crop sensor and the few extra frames per second. If you dont need those, I would go for the mkIII hands down. The 1DIV is 4 years old technology, while the 5DmkIII is the latest from Canon. With the new AF system and a frame rate at 6fps, the 5DmkIII is very compelling unless you want the 1DX...

 

[briansquibb]

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I have a 1dIV - until the 1DX comes out it is the best camera for sports and action. I just sold my 5DII yesterday and am waiting for my pre-ordered 5DIII. I know this isn't for everybody, but the combination of the two bodies is ideal for the work I do which is a combination of almost everything:
Landscape - was the 5DII will be the 5DIII
Sports (hockey, baseball, basketball, soccer, gynmastics ) - is the 1DIV - used the 5dII for after game celebrations and crowd candids - should be able to use the 5DIII (with battery grip) as more of a true second sports body with a 24-70.
Candids/family/walk-around/parties - as 5DII will be 5DIII - should be great without the battery grip to make it more portable and less obtrusive
Photo-journalism - for an online newspaper - has been either and will probably continue to be so.
Occasional studio/macro/product photography -was 5DII will be 5DIII.
I guess you could just get a 1DX for everything but then you would only have one body - I like a little redundancy . . . for about the same cost at this point in time.

From my experience with the 1D4 and 1Ds3 as a pair I am sure that the 1D4 and 5DIII will be even better!! - perhaps the dream match as you still get the 1.3 with excellent images and also top ff with the 5DIII. Enjoy

 

[AllGold]

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One difference I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is speed. I don't mean the obviously faster frames per second. The 1DIV is also faster in shutter release lag and mirror blackout. Also, the flash X-sync on the 5DIII is only 1/200th. Not that those speed difference are important to everyone, just thought I'd mention it.

On the other hand, while I don't have first-hand experience, from what I have read, the AF on the 5DIII should be "faster" (or at least "better").

 

[smirkypants]

Re: 1d mk iv or 5d mkiii?

One difference I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is speed. I don't mean the obviously faster frames per second. The 1DIV is also faster in shutter release lag and mirror blackout. Also, the flash X-sync on the 5DIII is only 1/200th. Not that those speed difference are important to everyone, just thought I'd mention it.

On the other hand, while I don't have first-hand experience, from what I have read, the AF on the 5DIII should be "faster" (or at least "better").

Canon will happily sell you a bag of 600EX-RTs and a trigger to help you shoot a high speed sync to overcome that.

 

[AllGold]

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Canon will happily sell you a bag of 600EX-RTs and a trigger to help you shoot a high speed sync to overcome that.

Yeah, I'm sure they would but I'll pass You can't light an arena with those.

What's both sad and funny is the price of those 600EXs are starting to approach Speed-o-tron, Elinchrom, or Dynalite prices--and have already hit White Lightning/Alien Bee prices--but with only a small fraction of the power.

 

[WillShootPhotos]

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What's both sad and funny is the price of those 600EXs are starting to approach Speed-o-tron, Elinchrom, or Dynalite prices--and have already hit White Lightning/Alien Bee prices--but with only a small fraction of the power.

Personally, I can't see using a WL or AB mounted to a hot shoe while on the back of a motorcycle in the middle of a pro bicycle race... ;D

- Will

 

[wickidwombat]

Re: 1d mk iv or 5d mkiii?

What's both sad and funny is the price of those 600EXs are starting to approach Speed-o-tron, Elinchrom, or Dynalite prices--and have already hit White Lightning/Alien Bee prices--but with only a small fraction of the power.

Personally, I can't see using a WL or AB mounted to a hot shoe while on the back of a motorcycle in the middle of a pro bicycle race... ;D

- Will

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