1DX or 1D4

[Secretariat]

For those of you who went from the 1D MKIV to the 1DX,do you miss the 1/3 crop factor of the former,especially while shooting sports or wild life?The reason for me asking this question is because that is the only thing stopping me upgrading to the 1DX.
Thanks.

 

[briansquibb]

For those of you who went from the 1D MKIV to the 1DX,do you miss the 1/3 crop factor of the former,especially while shooting sports or wild life?The reason for me asking this question is because that is the only thing stopping me upgrading to the 1DX.
Thanks.

I shoot with both the 1D4 and the 1Ds3 - and yes I do notice the difference in crop factor. Basically I have to put on the next larger telephoto eg 400mm on the 1D4 becomes a 600 on the 1Ds3

 

[MarkWebbPhoto]

For those of you who went from the 1D MKIV to the 1DX,do you miss the 1/3 crop factor of the former,especially while shooting sports or wild life?The reason for me asking this question is because that is the only thing stopping me upgrading to the 1DX.
Thanks.

I shoot weddings, journalism, and all kinds of sports. My biggest lens is the 300mm f/2.8L IS which allows me to get pretty much anything I need. The move from the 1D4 to the 1DX was a no-brainer for me. I would rather take the full frame camera any day over a crop sensor. I plan to use the 1.4 extender for football, baseball and soccer. It would be nice to have a 400mm lens but I don't have that kind of cash laying around.

 

[expatinasia]

I really think this is the million dollar (or at least US$ 6,000) question. Once you go past a certain point in length, lenses become super expensive. You can then use extenders as MWP mentioned but then questions re AF and IQ come up. Even a 1.3x crop helps with the reach, and the 1D 4 is about half the price, and you can use extenders on that. If the 1D X had a lot more megapixels you could combat the lack of reach by cropping more, but then you would probably lose out on fps. It is an interesting debate, but the quality of images from the 1D X do look outstanding, and as long as you have lenses that work best (is it groups A-F or something) then you should be on to a winner.

 

[bdunbar79]

I really think this is the million dollar (or at least US$ 6,000) question. Once you go past a certain point in length, lenses become super expensive. You can then use extenders as MWP mentioned but then questions re AF and IQ come up. Even a 1.3x crop helps with the reach, and the 1D 4 is about half the price, and you can use extenders on that. If the 1D X had a lot more megapixels you could combat the lack of reach by cropping more, but then you would probably lose out on fps. It is an interesting debate, but the quality of images from the 1D X do look outstanding, and as long as you have lenses that work best (is it groups A-F or something) then you should be on to a winner.

Even if the 1DX had 21 mp like the 1Ds3 or 5DII, you could crop fairly far. 18 I don't know.

 

[celliottuk]

I have both the 1D IV, and the 1D X. I started life on a 7D. when I went from the 7D to the 1D IV, I missed the 1.6 crop factor as I went to 1.3, but soon got over it as the IQ was so good on the IV that I could easily crop and still end up with better IQ.
The same is starting to be true as I transition from the IV to the X.
I did some test shots at a Falcon centre. Same birds flying, same lenses, then crop the shots to give the same "Apparent size" in the final image. The focussing ability, and the fact that I can shoot at a higher shutter speed, due to better noise performance of the 1DX is so good compared to the IV and the 7, that even if the number of pixels is actually less, the apparent sharpness and detail is greater-if that makes sense

 

[Secretariat]

I have both the 1D IV, and the 1D X. I started life on a 7D. when I went from the 7D to the 1D IV, I missed the 1.6 crop factor as I went to 1.3, but soon got over it as the IQ was so good on the IV that I could easily crop and still end up with better IQ.
The same is starting to be true as I transition from the IV to the X.
I did some test shots at a Falcon centre. Same birds flying, same lenses, then crop the shots to give the same "Apparent size" in the final image. The focussing ability, and the fact that I can shoot at a higher shutter speed, due to better noise performance of the 1DX is so good compared to the IV and the 7, that even if the number of pixels is actually less, the apparent sharpness and detail is greater-if that makes sense

In which upgrade was there a bigger improvement,from 7D to 1D MKIV or from 1D MKIV to 1DX?

 

[celliottuk]

7D to ID IV was like going from a Ford Focus to a Ferrari, night and day, black and white-pick your own analogy.
Going from the 1D IV to the X was more like an extreme tuning pack put on the Ferrari. Take something that is already good, and make it better.

 

[dengor]

I`m wonder why nobody talk about only 5(five) 2.8 focus points in new 1dx (5D3) compared to almost all in 1D4. Is it no matter to all? What is the diffrerence in real life? For me a so big and important.

 

[RLPhoto]

I`m wonder why nobody talk about only 5(five) 2.8 focus points in new 1dx (5D3) compared to almost all in 1D4. Is it no matter to all? What is the diffrerence in real life? For me a so big and important.

The five in the center of the 1Dx array are double Cross type points. A type of AF point that only exists in the canon lineup as of today and is only in the 5D3 and 1Dx.

The 1Dx AF has 5 Special Double cross type, 36 Standard Cross type, plus 20 Standard AF points. All of these are active with f/2.8 lenses or faster.

 

[briansquibb]

I`m wonder why nobody talk about only 5(five) 2.8 focus points in new 1dx (5D3) compared to almost all in 1D4. Is it no matter to all? What is the diffrerence in real life? For me a so big and important.

The five in the center of the 1Dx array are double Cross type points. A type of AF point that only exists in the canon lineup as of today and is only in the 5D3 and 1Dx.

The 1Dx AF has 5 Special Double cross type, 36 Standard Cross type, plus 20 Standard AF points. All of these are active with f/2.8 lenses or faster.

What do the double cross AF points bring over the standard cross types?

 

[RLPhoto]

I`m wonder why nobody talk about only 5(five) 2.8 focus points in new 1dx (5D3) compared to almost all in 1D4. Is it no matter to all? What is the diffrerence in real life? For me a so big and important.

The five in the center of the 1Dx array are double Cross type points. A type of AF point that only exists in the canon lineup as of today and is only in the 5D3 and 1Dx.

The 1Dx AF has 5 Special Double cross type, 36 Standard Cross type, plus 20 Standard AF points. All of these are active with f/2.8 lenses or faster.

What do the double cross AF points bring over the standard cross types?

Standard cross type AF checks contrast vertically and horizontally. Double cross type is two of those stacked and checking contrast diagonally also. Its pretty good, It catches focus in very low contrast subjects unlike my 5Dc did and alittle better that my 7D's standard Crosstype points. It's a good improvement for a high-speed prime user.

It also allows canon to charge us more monies. ;D

 

[briansquibb]

I`m wonder why nobody talk about only 5(five) 2.8 focus points in new 1dx (5D3) compared to almost all in 1D4. Is it no matter to all? What is the diffrerence in real life? For me a so big and important.

The five in the center of the 1Dx array are double Cross type points. A type of AF point that only exists in the canon lineup as of today and is only in the 5D3 and 1Dx.

The 1Dx AF has 5 Special Double cross type, 36 Standard Cross type, plus 20 Standard AF points. All of these are active with f/2.8 lenses or faster.

What do the double cross AF points bring over the standard cross types?

Standard cross type AF checks contrast vertically and horizontally. Double cross type is two of those stacked and checking contrast diagonally also. Its pretty good, It catches focus in very low contrast subjects unlike my 5Dc did and alittle better that my 7D's standard Crosstype points. It's a good improvement for a high-speed prime user.

It also allows canon to charge us more monies. ;D

Many thanks - would this be relevant to the problem posted about the highspeed shooting in low light?

 

[RLPhoto]

I suppose it could be relevant. The 61 Point AF is the best AF ever from canon, Unless you need F/8 AF.

Then W/o a doubt, its the best Low Light AF I've ever used from canon.

 

[dengor]

I meant precision of 2.8 have only 5 points. Isn`t it? Only 5 from 61. In 1d4 was 39 from 45.

 

[bdunbar79]

I meant precision of 2.8 have only 5 points. Isn`t it? Only 5 from 61. In 1d4 was 39 from 45.

I don't think that's correct. Hang on, let me check my manual, but I believe according to Bryan's review, this isn't correct.

 

[RLPhoto]

I meant precision of 2.8 have only 5 points. Isn`t it? Only 5 from 61. In 1d4 was 39 from 45.

The 1D4 has 39 Standard Cross-type points. The 1DX has 5 double crosstype plus 36 standard crosstype points plus 20 normal points. Its better that the 1D4 in AF points.

 

[dengor]

"New 61-Point High Density Reticular AF including 41 cross-type AF points with f/4.0 lens support including 5 dual diagonal AF points (sensitive to f/2.8)" according the Canon USA. ....AND.... "New 45-point Area AF sensor including 39 cross-type AF points with f/2.8 support" for 1d4. What is the profit from 61 points if you get 5.6 in most of them?

 

[RLPhoto]

"New 61-Point High Density Reticular AF including 41 cross-type AF points with f/4.0 lens support including 5 dual diagonal AF points (sensitive to f/2.8)" according the Canon USA. ....AND.... "New 45-point Area AF sensor including 39 cross-type AF points with f/2.8 support" for 1d4.

Yes. This means at F/4 you'll have 41 standard crosstype points. The double crosstype points aren't fully activated but still functioning.

When your at f/2.8, you get 36 standard Crosstype AF points and the 5 center points become Double crosstype, an added bonus.

With the 1DX, you can have F/4 and still have 41 Crosstype points.

With the 1D4, you'll need a F/2.8 lens to have full crosstype support.

Have you ever used the 61 Point AF system? Because its brilliant. 8)

 

[dengor]

What is "standard AF points" in your mind?