Crapking said:
NO I do not do any video, if at all it will probably just be recording names of performers if I go to shoot performances
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5D III or 1D IV for sports!
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NO I do not do any video, if at all it will probably just be recording names of performers if I go to shoot performances
RMC33 said:
Note on the 7D... I have the 7D and I've heard some people say it's AF is better than even the 1DMK3, that is simply not true. I tried basically every AF combination on it and it just does not give as much keepers as 1DMK3. So if I were to go down the 1 and 5series to a 7, the MKII better be damn good in its AF area. Also the high ISO is just a pain to deal with. I know that knowing the sport I am shooting does benefit me;however, I do like AI servo and track players rather than focus trap at a given point.
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zrz2005101 said:
I get a 80% keep rate with my 7D shooting skiing/snowboarding, Kayaking, Kiteboarding and some College Level Baseball/Basketball/Football. Not having used a 1DMK3 I can't compare but will say the noise on the 7D past a point makes it useless which is where I swap in a 5DMK3. I had the same issue before I sat down and learned how the tracking and servo mode worked on my 7D for different types of motion and subject matter. Now that I know I have custom profiles saved to my C1/2/3 on the dial for specific situations for easy changing on the fly and can go from keeping focus on a subject for half-pipe events to almost instant focus subject change for boarder/skier cross. My lens selection is a huge part what I do as well, since I am usually static. I use the focus preset a lot on my 200 f/2 and 400 f/2.8 MKII too when I know my subjects will be in two locations that I can get the images I want and will work for my client.
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I've never used a 1-DMK lV but my 5D MK lll bodies are great for sports. Great image quality and very impressive high ISO.
For me 6 frames per second is fine. Over the years I've used slower motordrives and still got the job done. Think about pros using strobes for basketball and hockey. Three second recycle time.
If you have piles of money get the 1 DX. Rent or borrow cameras and do your own tests.
The 5D MK lll is a very sweet camera. The best I've ever used.
For me 6 frames per second is fine. Over the years I've used slower motordrives and still got the job done. Think about pros using strobes for basketball and hockey. Three second recycle time.
If you have piles of money get the 1 DX. Rent or borrow cameras and do your own tests.
The 5D MK lll is a very sweet camera. The best I've ever used.
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zrz2005101 said:
Yep. If you are going to shoot a variety of sports, including indoor, the 7D is disappointing. The ISO performance just isn't there for great indoor basketball, swimming, etc. The two choices mentioned, 5D Mark III and 1D Mark IV are the clear winners. I shoot a lot of basketball at 1/500, f/2.2, ISO 5000, so the 7D wouldn't even be an option at these games. The 1D Mark IV is good through ISO 6400 (and I mean pretty darn good), the 5D Mark III you're probably safe up to 8000 or 10000.
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1D4 is a monstrous upgrade from the 7D. There is a large quantity of them available in the used market, just be cautious of the shutter count. Many are high usage from pros and serious amatuers that have move to the 1DX.
IMO, if a low mile body (<100k shutter) could be found in the $3k ~ $3.5k range, then well worth the money.
IMO, if a low mile body (<100k shutter) could be found in the $3k ~ $3.5k range, then well worth the money.
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MARKOE PHOTOE
Photography is a love affair with life.
I used a 7D for two seasons for sports and it was great. I've got a 5D3 but haven't used that and don't intend to. I bought a used 1D4 last year that had 100K clicks. The shutter has a 300K life but two months after my purchase, it crashed.
I'm a CPS member, so I had it replaced out of warranty in 3 days for $300. To me, its now like a new camera even with the extra $300 paid for the new shutter. Honestly, the body is a bit beat up but the end result is whats really important to me and my viewers.
The 1D4 iso performance and fps is so much better than the 7D imho. I wouldn't go back to the 7D however I might consider adding the new 7D2? when it gets released depending on spex. in addition to the 1D4. Would love to have the 1DX but its not really in the budget yet.
As you know the 1D4 has a 1.3 crop and the 7D has a 1.6 crop so you lose a little distance with the 1D4. 1D4 batteries are still very expensive.
I'm a CPS member, so I had it replaced out of warranty in 3 days for $300. To me, its now like a new camera even with the extra $300 paid for the new shutter. Honestly, the body is a bit beat up but the end result is whats really important to me and my viewers.
The 1D4 iso performance and fps is so much better than the 7D imho. I wouldn't go back to the 7D however I might consider adding the new 7D2? when it gets released depending on spex. in addition to the 1D4. Would love to have the 1DX but its not really in the budget yet.
As you know the 1D4 has a 1.3 crop and the 7D has a 1.6 crop so you lose a little distance with the 1D4. 1D4 batteries are still very expensive.
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DanoPhoto said:
That has been my biggest issue so far is a low mileage body which is why I am considering a 1Dx (insurance paid out $1100 for the 7D +grip). I bought the 7D used with about 10k shutter and I think when it broke the other day was close to 100k.
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MARKOE PHOTOE said:
You actually don't lose any distance. A 1D4 image cropped to the same FOV to an uncropped 7D image still has higher IQ.
I do agree, however, that the 7D is a great outdoor sports and wildlife camera, especially with the reach!
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I have never used the 1DIV before, but I use my school's 7D every sporting event. I then rented the 5D MK III for the day, and, speed wise, I couldn't tell the difference. Yes, I know using AF while continuously shooting with the 7D slows it down, but the 5D was faster in tricky af situations, even with 100% AF.
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I have both cameras.
For sports I always take the 1d4.
Reasons: higher fps, faster with teles, the 1.3 crop.
And last but not least: the continuos AF is a bit more
The only thing I am spoiled since I have the 5d3- grip: I would like the 1d to have the second knob changing my AF- filed using it in portrait mode......
For sports I always take the 1d4.
Reasons: higher fps, faster with teles, the 1.3 crop.
And last but not least: the continuos AF is a bit more
The only thing I am spoiled since I have the 5d3- grip: I would like the 1d to have the second knob changing my AF- filed using it in portrait mode......
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Don't know what camera you're looking at, but the 1D IV is superior to the 1Ds III in ISO performance.verysimplejason said:
I'd honestly go for the 1D IV. Considering that you're used to a 1D style body too.
But for sports- 10 fps? great ISO performance? 1.3x crop factor? superior build? Yes x1000000.
I'd go for a 1D IV over a 5D III in your purpose.
Shoot me if you will, but I sometimes feel as if I should trade my 5D III for a 1D IV, but I tend to work with landscapes more so I wouldn't.
It would be good to have that old flagship combo of a 1D IV and 1Ds III.
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zrz2005101 said:
I think you'll find you are quite hampered by the 6fps frame rate of the 5D III. It may support higher ISO with slightly cleaner results, but when it comes to high speed action like sports, frame rate is probably the more important factor. The AF system of the 1D IV is nothing to shake a stick at, and while not quite as configurable as the 5D III's AF system, it does its job extremely well and has served many sports photographers superbly for a number of years. It is a proven system that offers 10fps, which should give you more keepers to find that perfect shot at the right moment.
Even if you have to push to ISO 3200, the 1D IV is really no slouch at that ISO. It is certainly not as good as the 1D X, however keep in mind the 1D X is really in a class of its own when it comes to ISO performance. The 5D III supports up to ISO 25600 native ISO, but lacks the additional polish that the 1D series gets. Even if the 1D IV is a little noisier than the 5D III, that noise should still be more manageable, and thus easier to clean up in post.
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As jrista was getting at, even though the 5D Mark III is newer, I found that I could push and pull RAW files more so with the 1D Mark IV. That is pretty common with 1D bodies vs. other bodies.
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I just bought a 1d4 to use alongside my 5d3 but its still in the mail. Any new or interesting info about the 1d4 vs 5d3? I would be shooting weddings and events. how is the 1d4 af in low light?
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I have currently (until I sell 3 bodies) a 7d, a 5d3, a 1d4 and a 1dx. Hands down 1dx wins, but 1div is my second favorite for wildlife (and presumably sports outside of Chess). I would take a 7d or a 5d3 in well lit situations, but for all around versitility-- for landscapes and such, 5d3 kills a 7d in IQ. Though it should, considering the price gap and age. If you want to see a video I posted showing fps of each I have included a link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab7ntX1FBhA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab7ntX1FBhA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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1D MkIV hands down. I have a 40D, 5DMkIII, and a 1Dx and I find myself using that 1Dx a ton more for sports. I'm definitely going to purchase a 2nd 1Dx towards the end of the year. Don't get me wrong the 5DMkIII is usable but you have to be able to anticipate action really well as the fps is slower than an 1Dx or 1D MkIV. The autofocus on the 5D MkIII is good as well but the 1Dx just focuses faster.
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