5D Mark III doesn't live up to expectations in real world shooting...
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Vigo, try another copy of a 5D3 with the same lens and try another lens with two different 5D3s if you can. LV again. Post the results please. Up till now I can't tell a difference between mark 2 and 3. I'll do the same as you did and give you feedback.
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mrmarks said:
That is just stating something random. Please read the posts before answering.
And can people NOT owning a 5d3 stop commenting on what settings to use, you have clearly no idea what you're talking about and just shout out random stuff.
Please tell me how 1. and 2. priority have anything to do with the softeness I showed in my images shot with single shot LiveView af. Or the fact that the OP gets soft images, it has nothing to do with AF, because this AF just doesn't miss and it is by far the best Canon have ever done.
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The OP never AFMAd his lenses and was using Servo AI. In that case, both the suggestions are vaild.
As for your example, I am not seeing that slight softness in my photos. True, I don't have a 5D2 to do direct comparisons, but my 5D3 looks more like your 5D2 example than the 5D3 example.
edit: Could you post those RAW files as well? Or at least something with EXIF data?
As for your example, I am not seeing that slight softness in my photos. True, I don't have a 5D2 to do direct comparisons, but my 5D3 looks more like your 5D2 example than the 5D3 example.
edit: Could you post those RAW files as well? Or at least something with EXIF data?
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DavidRiesenberg said:
That's why I started my own thread "5d3 still soft?".
Both those shots where shot with LV af, 135 L wide open at 1/200s and flash bounced at the roof. Took 5 shots with each camera, and the results were 100% consistent (as expected)
Can you please post a 5d3 raw like that, preferably of a barcode and text as it is very easy to see. I'm trying to find people that can show me they aren't soft or that they are. I want toknow if this is a issue regarding all 5d3's or just some of them.
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DavidRiesenberg said:
Don't make assumptions about how I shoot based on what someone else said. I hardly ever use AI Servo on any of my Canon bodies and never said I did. Ninety percent of the time I'm shooting with One Shot AI. Just because I'm humble in my capacity to accept advice, don't make me out to be a noob, I'm far from it. I've shot everything from fashion shows for Christian Dior to Mixed Martial Arts K-1 Tournaments. I know how to shoot and I know how to set up my camera. It was just an adjustment going from a 1D body to a 5D body especailly with this new AF System. I guess I was expecting too much. A lot of people posting here seem to be coming from a XXD or XXXD body so of course there will be different expectations. My girlfriend shoots with a 60D so I'm sure if she saw the images coming off a 5D body she'd think they were awesome even if they were a little soft because compared to a 60D, they probably would still look slightly better.
In addition, people assume because they know every technical detail of a camera that it makes them good photographers. I know people who can teach Canon engineers about camera tech but still can't shoot worth a darn because they have no imagination when it comes to image creation. No I didn't know I had to AFMA every lens in my bag to work with all my different bodies. However, just because I didn't know that one fact doesn't make me a noob, if anything it makes me wonder what the heck Canon engineers do when they design this equipment if we as consumers have to do our own QA.
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DarkKnightNine said:
FWIW, ever wondered why there's a CPS? Initially, it got its start as a service for pros to send in their collection of bodies and lenses and have them calibrated to one another. AFMA allows you to do that yourself rather than ship everything off.
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You mentioned setting up "Case 5". If I'm not mistaken, those settings apply only to AI Servo. That's why I mentioned the 1st / 2nd image priority setting in an earlier post.DarkKnightNine said:
I am not assuming anything. All I've said and suggested in this thread are possible solutions to the problem you were facing. Since I wasn't there with you when you shot the images, I have no way of knowing which settings and options you already checked / set. That's simply the nature of troubleshooting an issue online.
But to tell you the truth, I'm not so sure that you are looking for an answer that could solve the softness issue. You seem much more content in simply blaming Canon and the camera.
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DavidRiesenberg said:
That's not true at all. Actually I have taken the advice I learned here and put it into practice but it still hasn't solved the soft focusing problem for me... yet (still haven't given up). The only logical conclusion would be that there might be something wrong with the camera. As I believe this advice will serve me well in the future, I was extremely grateful to everyone for their input and I do believe I said thank many times to people who weren't being condescending and were genuinely trying to help (which admittedly that seemed like most people here).
I think the opposite is true, some people were so quick to jump to the conclusion that I was incompetent or didn't know how to use my camera rather that allowing for the off chance that I might have gotten a bad copy. I think in these forums we have to stop assuming people's abilities when trying to help someone. If you look at any of my past posts on other subjects, when I'm giving advice to people you'll never see me talking down or assuming they're a noob. Perhaps they may not have known that particular bit of info. I was providing, but that didn't make them an idiot.
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neuroanatomist said:
Yes I know about CPS, but the conditions for joining in Japan are outrageous! You have to own an ungodly amount of equipment to even submit an application. I don't know of anyone who owns the amount of gear they quoted me and I know it's different for the U.S. and Europe. It's weird that they screw over their own people locally. I tried to apply through the U.S. website and was referred back to the local Japanese CPS so there's no chance of me joining unless I hit the lotto or I convince my GF to pickup my family and move back east after living in Japan for over 20 years.
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japhoto said:
I meant One Shot AF. I've never used AI Focus on a paid shoot. Experimented with it a few times when the 7D first came out, but would never use it when an agency was paying me to come back with usable shots. I shoot "One Shot" 90% of the time and occasionally use "AI Servo".
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i apologize if this has already been suggested. but have you tried using a different 5D3 body and see if you are still having the same issues. I do own 5D2 and 5D3, I shoot weddings and I can say that you can't even compare 5D2 on 5D3's AF specially on lowlight situations..
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i know the title was already discussed that it should be 'YOUR' expectations but I just wanted to post Ryan's REAL photos from a REAL wedding...
http://www.ryanbrenizer.com/2012/03/a-nikon-users-review-of-the-canon-5d-mark-iii/
so i don't think the camera is at fault, knowing the camera can produce these kinds of images
http://www.ryanbrenizer.com/2012/03/a-nikon-users-review-of-the-canon-5d-mark-iii/
so i don't think the camera is at fault, knowing the camera can produce these kinds of images
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Dark Night,
If you cannot get the 5dm3 to work for you getting a 1dx will really frustrate you unless your camera is in fact bad for some reason. Why do i say that? They have the exact same AF system cept a few little extras. This is not me being condescending but sharing philosophy as well as fact, please let me share while understanding you also know these things but just to bring it out. As with specialty lenses, you give up on some things to have the best of other things, the same with cameras. For instance the 851.2 which i did own up til a few years back, you cannot expect that creature of a lens to operate the way your other lenses do because it is a tricky dof and it is slow and you had better found a good area of contrast to get it right and shoot multiples.
The more i look at settings and test things i find the settings are very specific. Each setting isn't just there to offer diff options, they are literally major changes in how your focus system responds to input. Like spot focus is a bad idea unless you literally are trying to shoot thru something to focus on something else. To be honest if i had owned a 7d like most of the people I hire shoot I would be ahead of the game in understanding how these new settings work in application. I have set out to understand as much as humanly possible about this AF system and as a result have no doubt i will be able to maximize it for many diff shooting situations. While some would like straight forward focus point systems like those who shoot 1D series cameras know you can dial that camera in to the n'th degree to get very specific results, to be able to do that on a 5d is a dream and yet some settings missed leave me wanting but not to the point of needing a 1dx.
Here are some of the resources i have been combing that may help you get the results you are looking for.
This one is canons 1dx Af PDF guide which is pretty much almost exact to anything you can do on the 5d3
http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/1dx_guidebook.shtml?categoryId=12
for direct download of the PDF
http://downloads.canon.com/CDLC/EOS_1DX_AF_Guide_CDLC.pdf
These are from the Canon Learning center
http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/5d3_multiple_af_points.shtml
http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2011/1dx_af_config_article.shtml
I am hoping you can find yourself working with great success in the near future as you learn the new system!
If you cannot get the 5dm3 to work for you getting a 1dx will really frustrate you unless your camera is in fact bad for some reason. Why do i say that? They have the exact same AF system cept a few little extras. This is not me being condescending but sharing philosophy as well as fact, please let me share while understanding you also know these things but just to bring it out. As with specialty lenses, you give up on some things to have the best of other things, the same with cameras. For instance the 851.2 which i did own up til a few years back, you cannot expect that creature of a lens to operate the way your other lenses do because it is a tricky dof and it is slow and you had better found a good area of contrast to get it right and shoot multiples.
The more i look at settings and test things i find the settings are very specific. Each setting isn't just there to offer diff options, they are literally major changes in how your focus system responds to input. Like spot focus is a bad idea unless you literally are trying to shoot thru something to focus on something else. To be honest if i had owned a 7d like most of the people I hire shoot I would be ahead of the game in understanding how these new settings work in application. I have set out to understand as much as humanly possible about this AF system and as a result have no doubt i will be able to maximize it for many diff shooting situations. While some would like straight forward focus point systems like those who shoot 1D series cameras know you can dial that camera in to the n'th degree to get very specific results, to be able to do that on a 5d is a dream and yet some settings missed leave me wanting but not to the point of needing a 1dx.
Here are some of the resources i have been combing that may help you get the results you are looking for.
This one is canons 1dx Af PDF guide which is pretty much almost exact to anything you can do on the 5d3
http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/1dx_guidebook.shtml?categoryId=12
for direct download of the PDF
http://downloads.canon.com/CDLC/EOS_1DX_AF_Guide_CDLC.pdf
These are from the Canon Learning center
http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/5d3_multiple_af_points.shtml
http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2011/1dx_af_config_article.shtml
I am hoping you can find yourself working with great success in the near future as you learn the new system!
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