5D Mark III Full Spec List?

[Daniel Flather]

I haven't read through the whole thread so forgive me if I'm asking something that has already been addressed. But is anyone else curious as to the purpose of the CR1616 battery listed in the box contents? That's a nickle-sized, flat disc type battery.

A CR1616 battery is 16mm in diameter and 1.6mm thick (nominal sizes of course). A CR2032 is 20mm across and 3.2mm thick, and so forth for all 3.0v lithium batteries. CR1025, CR1216, CR1220, CR1225, CR1616, CR1620, CR1632, CR2016, CR2025, CR2032, CR2320, CR2325, and CR2430.

OK, so it's dime size. Didn't have one in front of me to measure. Just looked at photo of it when I googled CR1616.

Just a little info.

Yeah, it's all good. Just letting people know how lithium CR battery numbers correlate to the battery's physical size.

 

[DramaMask]

I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, but of course it could be that I'm just too slow of a reader to keep up. The 22 MP is exactly what you would need for 3 x 3 down sampeling to 1920 x 1080 (HD) resolution.

1920 x 1080 converted to 3:2 ratio makes 1920 x 1280. 1920 x 3 = 5760. 1280 x 3 = 3840. This comes to a resolution of 5720 x 3840, which is 22 megapixels.

Everyone always seems to talk about 2x2 binning and 4x4 binning. Well, Canon seems to have made this sensor specifically for 3x3 binning of HD video.

 

[Canihaspicture]

There seems to be a lot of fanboys in this thread... hardware wise how much better really do you feel this is than the 5D mark II besides the DIGIC 5 (which handles the high iso and framerate) and the small increase in MP by the sensor? If you pretend that this camera wasn't from Canon would you still feel the same way?

 

[Daniel Flather]

So if the native ISO is 2 stops higher then the D800s, what do we think this means in practice?

really? what do you think it means? we can take cleaner pictures is lower light.

I'd guess he means what do you think it will mean to ISO performance at the settings the D800 and the 5D mk3 will share.

How on earth can anyone tell this from a spec list? It could mean that the 5D MkIII sensor is two whole stops more sensitive than the D800, or it could just be marketing blah blah. The proof of the pudding is in the eating and I think that we'll have to wait a few more weeks/months yet for the side by side comparisons, my guess is that you may get an extra stop.

It does not mean that it's 2 stops better than the D800 because that would require something beyond 100% QE.
It is for sure just marketing.

Yes, Canon can make the native ISO as high as you want, that does not mean you'll like its performance.

 

[awinphoto]

I haven't read through the whole thread so forgive me if I'm asking something that has already been addressed. But is anyone else curious as to the purpose of the CR1616 battery listed in the box contents? That's a nickle-sized, flat disc type battery.

For date/time functions to keep running when you are charging your batteries

Boy, don't I feel stupid :-\ I've been shooting with a 5DMKII that I bought new a year ago and I swear I don't remember seeing or installing this battery. But I just looked in the manual and sure enough, there it is on page 217. Did this come factory installed on the Mark II?

Typically it's preinstalled but is user replaceable. I think on my first 10D we had to install it but ever since then it's been preinstalled.

 

[canoneos]

I don't see the spec for the fastest flash synch speed. On the 5D mark II it was 1/200s. I hope it has been increased to 1/250s/1

 

[D.Sim]

There seems to be a lot of fanboys in this thread... hardware wise how much better really do you feel this is than the 5D mark II besides the DIGIC 5 (which handles the high iso and framerate) and the small increase in MP by the sensor? If you pretend that this camera wasn't from Canon would you still feel the same way?

Not everyone wants megapixels.

 

[Mappy]

[...]
4. HD Movie. From what i understand the 22 MP count was to help in the video mode. I am not sure how that helps because 1080P at 16:9 is 2.073 MP. For a strict 4:1 super scale, you need 8.29 MP. So not sure how a 22 MP is better for video than a 18MP sensor. There is no sensor photo site scaling and so in terms of resolution etc, both will be the same.
[...]

3*3 sampling would get you to 22MP. The math:
1920*1080 video, but the sensor is 3:2, not 16:9, so you would need 1920*1280 (1920/3*2=1280)
1920*3*1280*3=22.12Mpixels

 

[awinphoto]

Currently I fail to see any magic in this camera, just as usual Canon's crippled update, whereas the price seems to indicate premium qualities.

In that sense Nikon has clear and understandable distinction - full package in all FF cameras targeting different auditoriums, against Canon's very expensive and crippled expensive option.

What exactly do you think is crippled about this? These specs look much more appealing to me than the Nikon D800.

Exactly... granted it can still change up until it's release, but other than MP, what does the D800 have that the 5d3 (rumored) doesn't have that has been confirmed? ISO even wins (theoretically until tested) which is a first for canon.

 

[drozz]

I cant remember right now, and I see the mk3 is rumored to have a more narrow range of ISO in video-mode.
Can anybody tell me what the ISO range (in video mode) is on the 5Dmk2? I dont have it nearby just now.

I never thought canon would release the 24p firmware. But they did.
Personally I saw it as proof that Canon listens to their customers and work hard to satisfy.
Magic Lantern has done wonders with the first generation of video EOS.
I know it might be unrealistic, but I seriously hope either canon or Trammell Hudson will get the 5D mk3 to run not only 1080p/60 but also 720/120. A dream would be 1080p/120.
Just let me have my hopes
I could deal with a sacrifice in bitrate just to make the digic 5+ pump out 120fps in 720p or higher resolution.

Question; Will the Digic 5+ have an easier job downsampling to 1080p (with less moire) when the new resolution is supposedly the magic number for 3x3 oversampling? Does it mean less processing IQ-wize?

Ive had the old Casio Exilim Ex-F1 for many years now, and that opened up hopes for me. Still havent seen anything remotely close to that in that price range. Sadly the bitrates and resolutions are too low on that cam.
The pricegap is far from the exilim-f1 up to cameras that do the same framerates in better quality, which has had me on edge ever since whenever pretty much any brand releases a new cam.

I'd love a 60@1080, 120@720.. But I'm doubtful that the digic 5+ could handle it. I'm guessing 48 @ 1080 and 96 @ 720.

 

[Namielus]

I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, but of course it could be that I'm just too slow of a reader to keep up. The 22 MP is exactly what you would need for 3 x 3 down sampeling to 1920 x 1080 (HD) resolution.

1920 x 1080 converted to 3:2 ratio makes 1920 x 1280. 1920 x 3 = 5760. 1280 x 3 = 3840. This comes to a resolution of 5720 x 3840, which is 22 megapixels.

Everyone always seems to talk about 2x2 binning and 4x4 binning. Well, Canon seems to have made this sensor specifically for 3x3 binning of HD video.

I just mentioned this a few posts before you. And I asked if the 3x3 binning will be less processor intensive. I have the impression the 5D2 had to do some extra processing to try and reduce the moire.

 

[gbchriste]

Just never remember seeing this when I got my new 5DMKII a year ago. I'm assuming it was factory installed. Until I asked here, I didn't even know this battery existed :-\ Guess it was factory installed on the Mark II.

 

[K-amps]

I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, but of course it could be that I'm just too slow of a reader to keep up. The 22 MP is exactly what you would need for 3 x 3 down sampeling to 1920 x 1080 (HD) resolution.

1920 x 1080 converted to 3:2 ratio makes 1920 x 1280. 1920 x 3 = 5760. 1280 x 3 = 3840. This comes to a resolution of 5720 x 3840, which is 22 megapixels.

Everyone always seems to talk about 2x2 binning and 4x4 binning. Well, Canon seems to have made this sensor specifically for 3x3 binning of HD video.

Well put. I hope it can do a similar binning for (family/casual) Still shots chosen to view on a 1080p monitor.

 

[Grum]

Currently I fail to see any magic in this camera, just as usual Canon's crippled update, whereas the price seems to indicate premium qualities.

In that sense Nikon has clear and understandable distinction - full package in all FF cameras targeting different auditoriums, against Canon's very expensive and crippled expensive option.

What exactly do you think is crippled about this? These specs look much more appealing to me than the Nikon D800.

Exactly... granted it can still change up until it's release, but other than MP, what does the D800 have that the 5d3 (rumored) doesn't have that has been confirmed? ISO even wins (theoretically until tested) which is a first for canon.

Is Nikons low light AF still going to be better I wonder?

 

[Woody]

Looks like a great camera... for me. I know some folks are disappointed 'cos they don't find any groundbreaking technology in it. As for me, I just need great image quality, reliable autofocus and a broad collection of lenses. Not sure about others, but the 5D3 is certainly THE full-frame camera for me.

Gotta to start saving up for this camera.

 

[awinphoto]

Currently I fail to see any magic in this camera, just as usual Canon's crippled update, whereas the price seems to indicate premium qualities.

In that sense Nikon has clear and understandable distinction - full package in all FF cameras targeting different auditoriums, against Canon's very expensive and crippled expensive option.

What exactly do you think is crippled about this? These specs look much more appealing to me than the Nikon D800.

Exactly... granted it can still change up until it's release, but other than MP, what does the D800 have that the 5d3 (rumored) doesn't have that has been confirmed? ISO even wins (theoretically until tested) which is a first for canon.

Is Nikons low light AF still going to be better I wonder?

Until we start getting production samples, it's anyones guess.

 

[bvukich]

If they are charging that much, that better be the best metering system possible/ever seen.

I just played with 600d and metering sucks BIG TIME. It misses up to 1.5 stops no matter which settings you use. That's shameful.

Thats what happens when you "play" with it. Use it the way it was supposed to be used. If its missing by that much, its the shooter, not the camera with the problem.

So, if they plan on selling any... better get:

WIRELESS FILE TRANSFER that works with LR3+ and Capture One (optional is fine)

Whatever for?

REALLY FAST FLASH SYNC, and I mean 1/500+

Do you have any idea what you're talking about

AUTOFOCUS ON F8 lenses

Thats what the 1Ds are for, and you're paying a LOT more for that

GOOD SUBJECT TRACKING AUTOFOCUS

61 points, should be enough

ACCURATE METERING WITH PLENTY OF OPTIONS, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH

metering is pretty damn accurate as is

BIG VIEWFINDER

How much bigger than 100% do you wanna get?

BETTER WEATHER SEALING

they're already very well sealed

BIGGER HISTOGRAM (sometimes I just want to look at the histogram, not the image itself)

Open up powerpoint, generate some random numbers and look at that histogram.

SCREEN RESOLUTION THAT MATCHES THE SCALE OF THE FILE (NO MORE MENUS UP AND DOWN)

doesn't make a difference

P.S. They really should have dumped that silly SD card slot.

it works as an alternative. no big deal.



AND TURN OFF CAPS LOCK

Thank you, you saved me some typing. Point for point you put almost exactly what I was going to post.

 

[distant.star]

Re: LOL what happens on Saturday after launch

Love this!

I imagine if you have to work retail, this would be very therapeutic.

 

[ksieb]

as a videographer, it seems to not be very different of the actual mark2

What you think

 

[spag]

Multiple exposures is one of the feature I like the most in my Pentax. If there's a 2-way electronic level, temptation will be big to switch to Canon...

...until my wallet gives me a good reality check! :'(