5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

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<p><strong>5D Mark III/X Specs

</strong>A slightly different spec list for the coming 5D3/5Dx. It mentions the camera using the 1D Mark IV AF system and not the 1D X’s 61pt AF. This is the first I’ve heard that. Definitely not a bad thing if true.</p>
<p>Also mentioned is an upgrade in weather sealing to match the 7D. I have heard of leaking 7D’s, so I’m not sure if that’s a good thing.</p>
<p><strong>Replacement of the 580?

</strong>A new flagship flash may be coming shortly. No guide number was given, but a suggestion it will use radio to trigger flashes. It may also trigger cameras.</p>
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[pedro]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

What are the other specs? Do they fit with the 22 MP model or the "chinese" 26 MP model from 7 month ago as mentioend in the prior CR3d post? Any update on specs welcome! Cheers, Pedro

Whith these changes in specs, will it gear more towards an allround cam at low MP? Given the rumors about 1DIV AF and weather sealing, is there a price tag towards 3k+ to be calculated?

 

[x1n30]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

Why is it using the 1D Mark IV AF system over the 1DX's a good thing?
Surely the 1DX's is more advanced?

 

[Ricku]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

Why is it using the 1D Mark IV AF system over the 1DX's a good thing?
Surely the 1DX's is more advanced?

But the 1D IV AF system is still lightyears ahead of the 5DII AF system.

I sure ain't complaining if we get that one.

 

[bakker]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

Why is it using the 1D Mark IV AF system over the 1DX's a good thing?
Surely the 1DX's is more advanced?

But the 1D IV AF system is still lightyears ahead of the 5DII AF system.

I sure ain't complaining if we get that one.

So the 1DX will have better AF en higher speed. Makes sense to justify the price difference.. (At least we hope that there will be a big difference. )

 

[Wrathwilde]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

I personally doubt they'll be using the 1D4 system, they'd still have to redesign it from the ground up for a FF sensor anyway. I think it's much more likely that it will get a less robust version of the 1DXs 61 point. In that way they can increase the economy of scale by using essentially the same AF system in their entire FF line up.

 

[pedro]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

I personally doubt they'll be using the 1D4 system, they'd still have to redesign it from the ground up for a FF sensor anyway. I think it's much more likely that it will get a less robust version of the 1DXs 61 point. In that way they can increase the economy of scale by using essentially the same AF system in their entire FF line up.

good point.

Well, not trolling at all: what can be expected noise wise from an upcoming body, let's say if there is really an extension up to 102k as the rumored body in the CR3d post concerning an imminent announcement mentioned?

 

[pedro]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

@dilbert: that would be great. thanks for clearing that up for me. so 51k would still be usable let's say for b/w. I am currently shooting a 30D and do not hesitate to shoot daring ISO 3200 as my max extension. 3200 looks quite well when properly exposed with some NR added to it. But as I am gearing towards a Robert Frank "The Americans" mode, it is absolutely perfect for me. So 25600 will be excellent as well for my preferencies 8)

 

[candyman]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

I personally doubt they'll be using the 1D4 system, they'd still have to redesign it from the ground up for a FF sensor anyway. I think it's much more likely that it will get a less robust version of the 1DXs 61 point. In that way they can increase the economy of scale by using essentially the same AF system in their entire FF line up.

True.

It was said that the 1Ds MK III and 1D MK IV were "merched" into 1Dx
So it is still possible that some of those camera technologies shall be used for the 5D MKII succesor.
Like for example the use of the AF of the FF 1Ds MK III. That's 45 point TTL and 19 cross-type

At this point without a CR3 (fact specs) we can speculate the game

 

[lol]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

On the weather resistance, while the 7D isn't the best (that's why 1D series exists!) it is still better than 5D series. So 5D going up to 7D levels is still a welcome improvement.

Also note it's only a claimed resistance, not ultimate immunity. Canon don't claim you can have a bath or go diving with it.

 

[AG]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

Heres something that seems feasible. If they are re using the AF from the 1Dmk4 and the body from the 7D for the 5D3 (similar to the leaked pics) could this possibly them mean that we end up with a cheaper body.

Remembering when the 1Dmk4 first came out it was around the $8k mark. now the 1DX is out at around the $6500 mark.

With that in consideration and the general drop in pricing thanks to tooling and the likes getting cheaper over the last few years. It may be possible that we could see the 5D3/X with a retail price or around the $16-1800 mark.

Even more so if they kill off the 7D (and reduce the 7D replacement to the price range of the current 60D/70D)

But thats just speculation/ wishful thinking.

 

[Picsfor]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

This is the most sensible rumour about a 5D2 replacement that will also replace the 7D.

Improved weather sealing, fine. 1D4 AF - also fine - just so long as it's better than what is currently in use on the 5D2.

Those features couple with 22mp would certainly lead to a spec sheet they could pull in at the £2200 price range or less. It really would be nice if they could add that dual card slot as well.

As for reduction in price? Why would they? £2200 on release will soon drop to under £2k on the streets once demand has been met. A baby 1DX for under half the price of the 1DX will please a lot of 7D users and 5D2 users wanting to upgrade.

I can almost here the kerching of the cash registers as this camera flies out the door 8)

 

[JR]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

1DIV AF or the new 61 points is fine by me! As long as we get rid of the current 5DmkII AF system, then the new camera will be much more versatile and worth upgrading to...

 

[pedro]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

As low as that? 1600-1800? I doubt it following what was discussed earlier on this platform. If so: what about 2,2k for this body and 3k for the rumored second (46MP) cam? Although a member here mentioned that it is unlikely for Canon to adapt to Nikon's price tags. So: the 5Dx 3k and the 5Diii 3,6 k? I am not much into marketing. just my 2 cents then.

 

[pedro]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

This is the most sensible rumour about a 5D2 replacement that will also replace the 7D.

Improved weather sealing, fine. 1D4 AF - also fine - just so long as it's better than what is currently in use on the 5D2.

Those features couple with 22mp would certainly lead to a spec sheet they could pull in at the £2200 price range or less. It really would be nice if they could add that dual card slot as well.

As for reduction in price? Why would they? £2200 on release will soon drop to under £2k on the streets once demand has been met. A baby 1DX for under half the price of the 1DX will please a lot of 7D users and 5D2 users wanting to upgrade.

I can almost here the kerching of the cash registers as this camera flies out the door 8)

What if you were spot on? 8) by then the high MP body would be how much?

 

[Wrathwilde]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

Heres something that seems feasible. If they are re using the AF from the 1Dmk4 and the body from the 7D for the 5D3 (similar to the leaked pics) could this possibly them mean that we end up with a cheaper body.

Not possible.

First - The 7D body/sensor/mirror/penta-prism are all built around a small APS-C sensor you can't just throw a FF system into a 7D body.

Second - You can't just take the 1D4's (APS-H) Auto Focus and use it for a FF sensor, you'd lose a lot of the spread needed for an effective AF system. In other words the AF points would be confined to a shorter/narrower section of the sensor than they should be.

 

[briansquibb]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

There was a clamour for the 7D AF and now the 1D4 AF is on the horizon everyone is after the 1DX AF - no pleasing people : :

 

[briansquibb]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

Heres something that seems feasible. If they are re using the AF from the 1Dmk4 and the body from the 7D for the 5D3 (similar to the leaked pics) could this possibly them mean that we end up with a cheaper body.

Not possible.

First - The 7D body/sensor/mirror/penta-prism are all built around a small APS-C sensor you can't just throw a FF system into a 7D body.

Second - You can't just take the 1D4's (APS-H) Auto Focus and use it for a FF sensor, you'd lose a lot of the spread needed for an effective AF system. In other words the AF points would be confined to a shorter/narrower section of the sensor than they should be.

Perhaps it is the 1Ds3 AF which is close.

 

[Mark D5 TEAM II]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

I personally doubt they'll be using the 1D4 system, they'd still have to redesign it from the ground up for a FF sensor anyway. I think it's much more likely that it will get a less robust version of the 1DXs 61 point. In that way they can increase the economy of scale by using essentially the same AF system in their entire FF line up.

No need to redesign anything. The APS-H 1D shared the same 45-pt AF module with the FF 1Ds from Marks I-III. So by extension utilizing the APS-H Mark IV AF module on an FF model would be a simple drop-in as well.

 

[Martin]

Re: 5D Mark III/X Variation & New Flagship Speedlite? [CR1]

5D3 with 1dmark4 AF-sounds for my like selling my gear definitely and switching to Nikon finally. I wait with my Canon gear for better information. I heard a lot and read a lot about 1d AF, there's no match for even Nikon d700. Hope that's not true. I am really pissed about this AF problems in Canon. If they finally do something better and reliable in sport and studio I will stay, otherwise goodbye. Think a lot about this and that;s my decision maker