5D mark v - when & what?

[tomscott]

I'd be surprised if Canon wait till 2020 for a 5D V.
The 5D IV didn't feel like a major upgrade. It could be well behind by 2020.
The World Cup is 2018.
It will be Interesting if Sony have 500/600mm F4 by then.
They are ahead in frame rate with the A9.
If the had the glass to go with it we'd see more Sony on the sides of the pitches.
I presume there is a limit with a mirror set up on FPS.
I'd expect a new 1DX III followed 6m later by a 5D V.

I dont think you would, the ergonomics arent good enough for lenses bigger than a 24-70 even with those lenses I struggle with the A series, unless you have hands the size of a child.

Many say neither was the MKIII and 3-4 was the one of the longest canon waits ever 4 1/2 years. The MKIV has been out 13 months. 3 1/2 years to go.

Canon is not pressured with what is going on in the industry so I doubt you will see a "reply" any time soon.

Rumors, frankly are a silly expectation at this point.

 

[BillB]

I'd be surprised if Canon wait till 2020 for a 5D V.
The 5D IV didn't feel like a major upgrade. It could be well behind by 2020.
The World Cup is 2018.
It will be Interesting if Sony have 500/600mm F4 by then.
They are ahead in frame rate with the A9.
If the had the glass to go with it we'd see more Sony on the sides of the pitches.
I presume there is a limit with a mirror set up on FPS.
I'd expect a new 1DX III followed 6m later by a 5D V.

I dont think you would, the ergonomics arent good enough for lenses bigger than a 24-70 even with those lenses I struggle with the A series, unless you have hands the size of a child.

Many say neither was the MKIII and 3-4 was the one of the longest canon waits ever 4 1/2 years. The MKIV has been out 13 months. 3 1/2 years to go.

Canon is not pressured with what is going on in the industry so I doubt you will see a "reply" any time soon.

Rumors, frankly are a silly expectation at this point.

A wildcard may be the upgrade to the 5DS(r). Depending on the features set, that may have some Appel.

 

[tomscott]

I'd be surprised if Canon wait till 2020 for a 5D V.
The 5D IV didn't feel like a major upgrade. It could be well behind by 2020.
The World Cup is 2018.
It will be Interesting if Sony have 500/600mm F4 by then.
They are ahead in frame rate with the A9.
If the had the glass to go with it we'd see more Sony on the sides of the pitches.
I presume there is a limit with a mirror set up on FPS.
I'd expect a new 1DX III followed 6m later by a 5D V.

I dont think you would, the ergonomics arent good enough for lenses bigger than a 24-70 even with those lenses I struggle with the A series, unless you have hands the size of a child.

Many say neither was the MKIII and 3-4 was the one of the longest canon waits ever 4 1/2 years. The MKIV has been out 13 months. 3 1/2 years to go.

Canon is not pressured with what is going on in the industry so I doubt you will see a "reply" any time soon.

Rumors, frankly are a silly expectation at this point.

A wildcard may be the upgrade to the 5DS(r). Depending on the features set, that may have some Appel.

They could quite possibly amalgamate the segment because the D850 is basically a combination of the MKIV and SR.

Doubt they will tho, Canon isnt one to play all its cards in one product and if they do it will be 1DX money making it a much more niche product than the MKIV or SR as separate entities.

The issue: Nikon has made a camera that is capable of shooting anything. 9FPS is fast enough for most sports shooting and the resolution is great for pretty much everything. Wildlife to crop, large format printing, landscape, portraits, the resolution is maybe a little large for weddings and events but no one will complain.

Canon is on the path of a camera for separate application. Currently you have to decide what suits your scenario, with the D850 and for the price there isnt anything else worth looking at in the nikon line up as a professional. Which is amazing for the short term but really bad for the long term I suppose we shall see whether this marketing decision will work or not.

Maybe they have more up their sleeve. It doesnt change anything for the Canon camp imo there will just be envy.

Canon seems set with its direction and these cameras arent designed in a day they are set years before release, if you think they will make something to compete based on one camera in a 3-4 year development timeline then im afraid it wont happen. The 5DMKV spec has probably already been set.

 

[Larsskv]

I'd be surprised if Canon wait till 2020 for a 5D V.
The 5D IV didn't feel like a major upgrade. It could be well behind by 2020.
The World Cup is 2018.
It will be Interesting if Sony have 500/600mm F4 by then.
They are ahead in frame rate with the A9.
If the had the glass to go with it we'd see more Sony on the sides of the pitches.
I presume there is a limit with a mirror set up on FPS.
I'd expect a new 1DX III followed 6m later by a 5D V.

I dont think you would, the ergonomics arent good enough for lenses bigger than a 24-70 even with those lenses I struggle with the A series, unless you have hands the size of a child.

Many say neither was the MKIII and 3-4 was the one of the longest canon waits ever 4 1/2 years. The MKIV has been out 13 months. 3 1/2 years to go.

Canon is not pressured with what is going on in the industry so I doubt you will see a "reply" any time soon.

Rumors, frankly are a silly expectation at this point.

A wildcard may be the upgrade to the 5DS(r). Depending on the features set, that may have some Appel.

The issue: Nikon has made a camera that is capable of shooting anything. 9FPS is fast enough for most sports shooting and the resolution is great for pretty much everything. Wildlife to crop, large format printing, landscape, portraits, the resolution is maybe a little large for weddings and events but no one will complain.

Canon is on the path of a camera for separate application. Currently you have to decide what suits your scenario, with the D850 and for the price there isnt anything else worth looking at in the nikon line up as a professional. Which is amazing for the short term but really bad for the long term I suppose we shall see whether this marketing decision will work or not.

I understand your claim, that the D850 is capable of shooting anything, but as far as I am concerned, and with my experience from the 5Ds and 1DXII, 45 megapixels is too much. It takes a lot of storage, the files are slower to work with, the lenses that are really good on the 1DXII suddenly seems a bit weak in terms of sharpness, and faster shutter speeds are required to have pixel level sharpness. All in all, for everything but landscapes I prefer a lower resolution body.

I think the D850 looks awesome, and it would be a nice upgrade for my 5Ds, but I would never use the D850 as my everyday camera. I think Canon did the right thing, when they put 30 megapixels in the 5DIV.

 

[tomscott]

I'd be surprised if Canon wait till 2020 for a 5D V.
The 5D IV didn't feel like a major upgrade. It could be well behind by 2020.
The World Cup is 2018.
It will be Interesting if Sony have 500/600mm F4 by then.
They are ahead in frame rate with the A9.
If the had the glass to go with it we'd see more Sony on the sides of the pitches.
I presume there is a limit with a mirror set up on FPS.
I'd expect a new 1DX III followed 6m later by a 5D V.

I dont think you would, the ergonomics arent good enough for lenses bigger than a 24-70 even with those lenses I struggle with the A series, unless you have hands the size of a child.

Many say neither was the MKIII and 3-4 was the one of the longest canon waits ever 4 1/2 years. The MKIV has been out 13 months. 3 1/2 years to go.

Canon is not pressured with what is going on in the industry so I doubt you will see a "reply" any time soon.

Rumors, frankly are a silly expectation at this point.

A wildcard may be the upgrade to the 5DS(r). Depending on the features set, that may have some Appel.

The issue: Nikon has made a camera that is capable of shooting anything. 9FPS is fast enough for most sports shooting and the resolution is great for pretty much everything. Wildlife to crop, large format printing, landscape, portraits, the resolution is maybe a little large for weddings and events but no one will complain.

Canon is on the path of a camera for separate application. Currently you have to decide what suits your scenario, with the D850 and for the price there isnt anything else worth looking at in the nikon line up as a professional. Which is amazing for the short term but really bad for the long term I suppose we shall see whether this marketing decision will work or not.

I understand your claim, that the D850 is capable of shooting anything, but as far as I am concerned, and with my experience from the 5Ds and 1DXII, 45 megapixels is too much. It takes a lot of storage, the files are slower to work with, the lenses that are really good on the 1DXII suddenly seems a bit weak in terms of sharpness, and faster shutter speeds are required to have pixel level sharpness. All in all, for everything but landscapes I prefer a lower resolution body.

I think the D850 looks awesome, and it would be a nice upgrade for my 5Ds, but I would never use the D850 as my everyday camera. I think Canon did the right thing, when they put 30 megapixels in the 5DIV.

Couldnt agree with you more.

I was talking from a purely spec point of view that on paper this is what it looks like and what the expectation will be.

Lightroom isnt exactly fast with 20mp files let alone 50mp wouldn't want to import a wedding and wait for it to make previews would take half the day.

Im one of the pro canon peeps that I think their direction is good, they are continuing to make cameras that people need and not playing the over spec game but then making some silly decisions with price vs value of spec. There has to be a balance or you dont draw new customers. The current trend of slating canon cameras on one or two aspects rather than overall is frankly boring. The 6DMKII is a perfect example I have found it to be a worthy adversary but for me its downfalls dont effect me, I dont shoot video and I think the DR is much improved and dont need the extra stop everyone is slating it for.

My issue is price, the competition is making larger leaps forward and are better value currently. The 5DMKIV and 6DMKII should have been £500 cheaper at launch to be more competitive. Its also not a positive that there is obvious model bricking to force people to spend twice the money. Its not something anyone appreciates.

Unless you are a Canon shooter and know how good these cameras actually perform day to day and how well they cope with adverse conditions and the small aspects that make shooting them all the time a joy. On paper the competition is doing one over and for new customers they need more than the word of a few people in the know and its sounds like a sad fanboy-ism from people like me who are in the minority of actually enjoying the releases.

As most of us know in the real world these minor differences really dont make any difference. If you cant shoot a decent image with the cameras available to us currently then there is an issue with the photographer not the equipment.

Interesting you say about increasing MP reducing sharpness, ive seen the opposite. Although a small increase with the MKIII to 6DMKII my lenses feel significantly sharper.

 

[SecureGSM]

Tom,

What Larsskv is noticing is correct for his camera and what you are noticing is correct for your camera.

Let me clarify:

5Ds/R bodies are nearly 15% less sharp at pixel level than 80D, 5D IV or 1DX II. At the same time you get nearly 50% pixel count increase both vertically and horisontally In comparison with 1dx? So loose 15 and gain 50 and you are still better of when viewing or printing to the same size in the end. I hope it makes sense.

In your case , you are noticing an increased pixel level sharpness of your new 6D II body. You get good 5% there at pixel level over 5D III sensor plus an additional 6% increased in pixel count Vertically and horisontally? This sounds like not a lot but Noticable to people like yourself. Not to your clients though

... Interesting you say about increasing MP reducing sharpness, ive seen the opposite. Although a small increase with the MKIII to 6DMKII my lenses feel significantly sharper.

 

[Larsskv]

I am not in a position argue with you,, SecureGSM, but what I was referring to was pixel level sharpness. There should be no doubt that downsizing a 50 megapixel file to 20, will give you a sharper 20 megapixel file, even though the 50 megapixel file isn't that sharp at pixel level.

Pixel level sharpness is always wanted, but only a few lenses live up to that task on the 5Ds/r. It can be more satisfying to have a lower resolution body, because more lenses perform very well, and because you aren't as concerned with camera shake.

 

[SecureGSM]

Correct. I was referring to the pixel level sharpness of 5Ds bodies. It is nearly 15% less than the same of 80d or 5D IV.
I am arguing the point that if you CROP an image taken with 5Ds to 5D IV size and compare pixel level sharpness, you will find that 5D IV image is almost 15% sharper. I was shocked to find out. And no matter tripod used or not.
I used Focal to run sharpness analysis on 5Ds, 80D, 7d II, 6D, 6D II, Sony FF gismos and Nikon FF cams and was seriously proud to find out that the best in class pixel sharpness is available on Canon 80D, followed by 5D IV, Nikon 750D, Nikon 810D, then Canon 6D II, 6D, and only then.. only then by Sony A7RII.

Now, that prompts me to made the following statement:

If only Canon used 80D sensor tech in 7D III and 5DsR upcoming bodies, we may see a massive resolving power increase. Please, Canon! And Massive is an underestimation. I am generally a conservative individual, but what 20% of sharpness increase is like? Well, an AFMA de-tuned Lensed by +/- 12 AFMA units is usually around 20% less sharp than a properly tuned one.

I am not in a position argue with you,, SecureGSM, but what I was referring to was pixel level sharpness. There should be no doubt that downsizing a 50 megapixel file to 20, will give you a sharper 20 megapixel file, even though the 50 megapixel file isn't that sharp at pixel level.

Pixel level sharpness is always wanted, but only a few lenses live up to that task on the 5Ds/r. It can be more satisfying to have a lower resolution body, because more lenses perform very well, and because you aren't as concerned with camera shake.

 

[Talys]

Once Reikan comes out with 6DII support I'd love to see the sharpness comparison added in there

If Canon's 7DIII has the sharpness of 80D and the ISO cleanup ability of the 6DII, there's a good chance I'll buy one. If it also has an articulating lens, I will definitely buy one.

The only question, then, would be whether I kept or sold my 80D.

Correct. I was referring to the pixel level sharpness of 5Ds bodies. It is nearly 15% less than the same of 80d or 5D IV.
I am arguing the point that if you CROP an image taken with 5Ds to 5D IV size and compare pixel level sharpness, you will find that 5D IV image is almost 15% sharper. I was shocked to find out. And no matter tripod used or not.
I used Focal to run sharpness analysis on 5Ds, 80D, 7d II, 6D, 6D II, Sony FF gismos and Nikon FF cams and was seriously proud to find out that the best in class pixel sharpness is available on Canon 80D, followed by 5D IV, Nikon 750D, Nikon 810D, then Canon 6D II, 6D, and only then.. only then by Sony A7RII.

Now, that prompts me to made the following statement:

If only Canon used 80D sensor tech in 7D III and 5DsR upcoming bodies, we may see a massive resolving power increase. Please, Canon! And Massive is an underestimation. I am generally a conservative individual, but what 20% of sharpness increase is like? Well, an AFMA de-tuned Lensed by +/- 12 AFMA units is usually around 20% less sharp than a properly tuned one.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

The new Nikon 850 may put pressure on Canon to release the 5D M4 sooner. They may also try to surprise Nikon w/ 1Dx M3 sooner than expected. Though I suspect there are few secrets between Nikon and Canon.

In the 5D M4 I would like to

MP increased to 36
Cfast card
All focus points working at F8
Something new and exciting done with the Dual Pixels sensor. Perhaps have 1 side 4-6 more sensitive than the other side to increase DR

Not really....not unless the 5D4 sales drop drastically....and so far they seem quite stable and predictably stable...unlike Nikon stocks. Canon aren't really that bothered by Nikon, Canon currently out sell Nikon 3:1 in both DSLR sales and lens sales. Nikon have managed to isolate and estrange most of their fervent fan base. I've seen so many pros leave the Nikon camp over the last few years and this time they were really disappointed with the Nikon brand. That's hard for any brand to swing around in a single camera.

 

[SecureGSM]

You can feed 6D II files into Focal for QOF analysis already now in file mode.
There is a trick : you have to alter the camera model written in the EXIF data of 6D II files with EXIF Pilot, for an instance, to read Canon 6D instead of Canon 6D Mark II. cheating, I know

Minimum number of files to analyse required is 5. You can just feeed 5 copies of the same image. It makes no major difference. Large pool of data does produce more accurate results but for a quick test it is ok , I suppose.

Once Reikan comes out with 6DII support I'd love to see the sharpness comparison added in there

If Canon's 7DIII has the sharpness of 80D and the ISO cleanup ability of the 6DII, there's a good chance I'll buy one. If it also has an articulating lens, I will definitely buy one.

The only question, then, would be whether I kept or sold my 80D.

 

[Larsskv]

Correct. I was referring to the pixel level sharpness of 5Ds bodies. It is nearly 15% less than the same of 80d or 5D IV.
I am arguing the point that if you CROP an image taken with 5Ds to 5D IV size and compare pixel level sharpness, you will find that 5D IV image is almost 15% sharper. I was shocked to find out. And no matter tripod used or not.
I used Focal to run sharpness analysis on 5Ds, 80D, 7d II, 6D, 6D II, Sony FF gismos and Nikon FF cams and was seriously proud to find out that the best in class pixel sharpness is available on Canon 80D, followed by 5D IV, Nikon 750D, Nikon 810D, then Canon 6D II, 6D, and only then.. only then by Sony A7RII.

Now, that prompts me to made the following statement:

If only Canon used 80D sensor tech in 7D III and 5DsR upcoming bodies, we may see a massive resolving power increase. Please, Canon! And Massive is an underestimation. I am generally a conservative individual, but what 20% of sharpness increase is like? Well, an AFMA de-tuned Lensed by +/- 12 AFMA units is usually around 20% less sharp than a properly tuned one.

I am not in a position argue with you,, SecureGSM, but what I was referring to was pixel level sharpness. There should be no doubt that downsizing a 50 megapixel file to 20, will give you a sharper 20 megapixel file, even though the 50 megapixel file isn't that sharp at pixel level.

Pixel level sharpness is always wanted, but only a few lenses live up to that task on the 5Ds/r. It can be more satisfying to have a lower resolution body, because more lenses perform very well, and because you aren't as concerned with camera shake.

My guess would be that the difference in sharpness between the 5DIV and 5Ds/r on pixel level is due to the sharpness of the lens you are using. Smaller pixels demand a sharper lenses in order to get pixel level sharpness.

If you have used the same lens on the 80D vs the 5Ds/r, have applied the same amount of sharpness afterwards, and still experience that the 80D is significantly sharper, well then I would be very surprised as well.

 

[AdjustedInCamera]

Correct. I was referring to the pixel level sharpness of 5Ds bodies. It is nearly 15% less than the same of 80d or 5D IV.
I am arguing the point that if you CROP an image taken with 5Ds to 5D IV size and compare pixel level sharpness, you will find that 5D IV image is almost 15% sharper. I was shocked to find out. And no matter tripod used or not.
I used Focal to run sharpness analysis on 5Ds, 80D, 7d II, 6D, 6D II, Sony FF gismos and Nikon FF cams and was seriously proud to find out that the best in class pixel sharpness is available on Canon 80D, followed by 5D IV, Nikon 750D, Nikon 810D, then Canon 6D II, 6D, and only then.. only then by Sony A7RII.

Now, that prompts me to made the following statement:

If only Canon used 80D sensor tech in 7D III and 5DsR upcoming bodies, we may see a massive resolving power increase. Please, Canon! And Massive is an underestimation. I am generally a conservative individual, but what 20% of sharpness increase is like? Well, an AFMA de-tuned Lensed by +/- 12 AFMA units is usually around 20% less sharp than a properly tuned one.

I am not in a position argue with you,, SecureGSM, but what I was referring to was pixel level sharpness. There should be no doubt that downsizing a 50 megapixel file to 20, will give you a sharper 20 megapixel file, even though the 50 megapixel file isn't that sharp at pixel level.

Pixel level sharpness is always wanted, but only a few lenses live up to that task on the 5Ds/r. It can be more satisfying to have a lower resolution body, because more lenses perform very well, and because you aren't as concerned with camera shake.

My guess would be that the difference in sharpness between the 5DIV and 5Ds/r on pixel level is due to the sharpness of the lens you are using. Smaller pixels demand a sharper lenses in order to get pixel level sharpness.

If you have used the same lens on the 80D vs the 5Ds/r, have applied the same amount of sharpness afterwards, and still experience that the 80D is significantly sharper, well then I would be very surprised as well.

Maybe one factor here is that a FF lens on a crop body still casts an image the size of a FF sensor. So the smaller crop sensor samples the centre cropped area of the image, which will be where the lens performs best. Maybe?

 

[pwp]

I'd be surprised if Canon wait till 2020 for a 5D V.
The 5D IV didn't feel like a major upgrade. It could be well behind by 2020.
The World Cup is 2018......

I found the 5D MkIV a very handy upgrade over the MkIII. It's a much better camera all round (for stills).
World Cup 2018? 5D MkIV or MkV will barely register with elite sports shooters.

-pw

 

[Talys]

Cool trick, good to know that it works

Reikan wrote back to me --

"At the moment the Canon 6D Mark II isn't supported but support is coming!

Always a little tricky to give a precise support date when new cameras are announced. FoCal relies upon Canon providing an updated communication library, Canon generally releases this around a month after the camera goes on sale."

I'll just wait for that, since I'm sure I'll run FoCal on everything once it's out anyhow.

You can feed 6D II files into Focal for QOF analysis already now in file mode.
There is a trick : you have to alter the camera model written in the EXIF data of 6D II files with EXIF Pilot, for an instance, to read Canon 6D instead of Canon 6D Mark II. cheating, I know

Minimum number of files to analyse required is 5. You can just feeed 5 copies of the same image. It makes no major difference. Large pool of data does produce more accurate results but for a quick test it is ok , I suppose.

Once Reikan comes out with 6DII support I'd love to see the sharpness comparison added in there

If Canon's 7DIII has the sharpness of 80D and the ISO cleanup ability of the 6DII, there's a good chance I'll buy one. If it also has an articulating lens, I will definitely buy one.

The only question, then, would be whether I kept or sold my 80D.

 

[Ozarker]

Personally, if I could, I'd just buy 2 or 3 new 5D Mark III while they are still available and put them in mothballs. That would suit me just fine. Works with my glass too. I like the image quality, am not going to print billboards, it is a great camera.

I skipped the 5D Mark IV to wait on a possible Mark V, but don't care about the camera arms race so much. My Mark III is all I need. I'll take more "L" glass instead, but can't think of any more of that I need either. That's a good position to in in on the lens front. I can be patient and wait for something truly great to be produced. My camera and lenses already have more skills than I do.

Speculating about Mark V specs when the Mark IV has just been released?

That's like a little kid with no money staring at the Sears Christmas Wish Book pages beginning in October. You young fellers won't know what the Wish Book was. lol

 

[Talys]

Speculating about Mark V specs when the Mark IV has just been released?

That's like a little kid with no money staring at the Sears Christmas Wish Book pages beginning in October. You young fellers won't know what the Wish Book was. lol

It's the computer industry. Too many people expect a photography version of Moore's Law: every two years, the number of megapixels, dynamic range, and ISO performance, FPS should double, while weight drops by half.

In 20 years, therefore, cameras should have a thousand megapixels, be able to perfectly record everything from infrared to ultraviolet, take 200fps 100k video with a penlight, and a 1200mm lens should weigh less than a cell phone does today.

Sadly, that still won't help make boring photographs any better

 

[Larsskv]

Correct. I was referring to the pixel level sharpness of 5Ds bodies. It is nearly 15% less than the same of 80d or 5D IV.
I am arguing the point that if you CROP an image taken with 5Ds to 5D IV size and compare pixel level sharpness, you will find that 5D IV image is almost 15% sharper. I was shocked to find out. And no matter tripod used or not.
I used Focal to run sharpness analysis on 5Ds, 80D, 7d II, 6D, 6D II, Sony FF gismos and Nikon FF cams and was seriously proud to find out that the best in class pixel sharpness is available on Canon 80D, followed by 5D IV, Nikon 750D, Nikon 810D, then Canon 6D II, 6D, and only then.. only then by Sony A7RII.

Now, that prompts me to made the following statement:

If only Canon used 80D sensor tech in 7D III and 5DsR upcoming bodies, we may see a massive resolving power increase. Please, Canon! And Massive is an underestimation. I am generally a conservative individual, but what 20% of sharpness increase is like? Well, an AFMA de-tuned Lensed by +/- 12 AFMA units is usually around 20% less sharp than a properly tuned one.

I am not in a position argue with you,, SecureGSM, but what I was referring to was pixel level sharpness. There should be no doubt that downsizing a 50 megapixel file to 20, will give you a sharper 20 megapixel file, even though the 50 megapixel file isn't that sharp at pixel level.

Pixel level sharpness is always wanted, but only a few lenses live up to that task on the 5Ds/r. It can be more satisfying to have a lower resolution body, because more lenses perform very well, and because you aren't as concerned with camera shake.

My guess would be that the difference in sharpness between the 5DIV and 5Ds/r on pixel level is due to the sharpness of the lens you are using. Smaller pixels demand a sharper lenses in order to get pixel level sharpness.

If you have used the same lens on the 80D vs the 5Ds/r, have applied the same amount of sharpness afterwards, and still experience that the 80D is significantly sharper, well then I would be very surprised as well.

Maybe one factor here is that a FF lens on a crop body still casts an image the size of a FF sensor. So the smaller crop sensor samples the centre cropped area of the image, which will be where the lens performs best. Maybe?

If you compare a APS-C CENTER crop of a FF frame that has the same pixel density as an APS-C camera, and all other factors are the same, you will get the exact same image on both. In this scenario you use the center sharpness of the lens on both the FF sensor and the APS-C sensor.

 

[SecureGSM]

If you compare a APS-C CENTER crop of a FF frame that has the same pixel density as an APS-C camera, and all other factors are the same, you will get the exact same image on both. In this scenario you use the center sharpness of the lens on both the FF sensor and the APS-C sensor.

1. correct.
2. nope, same lens was used, approx. identical light levels, same ISO and aperture. No correction at all, RAW files were used for comparison. to call this fenomenon a surprise is an understatement.

.. My guess would be that the difference in sharpness between the 5DIV and 5Ds/r on pixel level is due to the sharpness of the lens you are using. Smaller pixels demand a sharper lenses in order to get pixel level sharpness.

If you have used the same lens on the 80D vs the 5Ds/r, have applied the same amount of sharpness afterwards, and still experience that the 80D is significantly sharper, well then I would be very surprised as well.

 

[Maximilian]

Hi Dave!

... my 7D. My plan is to replace it with a full frame body, probably a 5D. That got me wondering: what extra features might a 5D mark V have? When might it appear? Any thoughts?

When do you want to buy a FF camera?

The 5D4 is about 1 year old, the 6D2 just a few days.
I expect both of them to have a life cycle of at least 3 years and 4 years to be more realistic.
That leaves you at least 2 years of waiting for something new...
And honestly I don't start guessing about what will be in 2 years. Especially not on the consumer electronics side.

so if you don't want to or if you don't plan to wait that long just refer to the new Buyers guide.

About the 5D4:
[quote author=The Canon Rumors Buyers Guide]
Buy Now? Yes
The Canon EOS 5D Mark IV is a safe buy, as we do not expect a direct replacement until 2020 at the earliest. Previous iterations have run on a 3-4 year product cycle.
[/quote]

About the 6D2:
[quote author=The Canon Rumors Buyers Guide]
Buy Now? Yes
This is Canon’s entry level full frame DSLR and it should stick around for quite some time. We’re hoping that the EOS 6D series moves to a quicker product cycle than the very long 4 years and 9 months between the EOS 6D and EOS 6D Mark II.
[/quote]