5D X or Mark III Specs & Release Date? [CR1]

[marekjoz]

I would LOVE to be wrong, but how could this camera be real? What differentiates it from the 1DX? (ie. is there $4100 in difference?)

Not to be a hater, but I think this sounds more like a wish list... my wish list.. =) IF it's true, I'll be ordering mine asap... if not than i'll go sulk in my room.

+1 on these. It's a nice wish list. Wishes don't often come true. But Canon's goal is to make money, total profit is what matters, not profit per camera line. This may represent a strategic shift - combine the 1-series lines to a single body to reduce R&D costs, put top technology in an 'affordable' camera that to the casual eye looks a LOT like the top of the line pro camera, which boosts sales of that 5-series model (a great price for a baby 1D X), and the unit sales of the 5-series more than makes up for lost sales on the 1D X.

Maybe it's the best way to find tech specs of 5d3? Since we know what specs of 1dx are, we could find specs of 5d3 by simply removing from 1dx something what the pro flagship DSLR of today should have. So - what is in 1dx that each pro really must have and will justify such an additional spend of money but a semipro would not need and still be very glad without it?

 

[outsider]

.... But Canon's goal is to make money, total profit is what matters, not profit per camera line. This may represent a strategic shift - combine the 1-series lines to a single body to reduce R&D costs, put top technology in an 'affordable' camera that to the casual eye looks a LOT like the top of the line pro camera, which boosts sales of that 5-series model (a great price for a baby 1D X), and the unit sales of the 5-series more than makes up for lost sales on the 1D X.

Along the lines of Canon's goals of making money (with which I totally agree with) Canon has never been a company to make HUGE leaps and bounds with each new generation of camera. They are very evolutionary (small incremental changes) in their product line.
I find it strange that they would develop two separate full frame sensors with only a few MP difference. Sensor development in general is not cheap, and full frame is even more expensive due to the size of the dies.

I would have used the AF system out of a 7D, and the sensor out of the 1Dx, bump the fps to a point where one Digic 5+ chip can handle, and I'm sure you'd have one winner of a camera for very little development costs.

 

[lbloom]

Even if the "wish list" is a wash, if one of the "+3 lenses" is the 24-70mm II, that will be cool!

 

[Woody]

Is it likely for Canon to release a 22 MP 5DX and 36 MP 5D3? Hmmm...

 

[Steb]

Two remarks. First, the main competitor of a 5D2 successor is not the 1DX but something another company will announce next week. Second, I don't understand why people care about the 7D. The 7D is Canons crop flagship. Crop vs. fullframe is not a minor spec update. It is a completely different line and value range.

 

[K-amps]

Two remarks. First, the main competitor of a 5D2 successor is not the 1DX but something another company will announce next week. Second, I don't understand why people care about the 7D. The 7D is Canons crop flagship. Crop vs. fullframe is not a minor spec update. It is a completely different line and value range.

+1: Makes little sense for them to Merge a crop with FF. If they had to merge anything, they should merge the xxxxD and xxxD lines before they tinker with these "Halo" product offerings.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

This would be basically everything I have wanted since owning both the 5D Mk II and the 7D and deciding which to keep.

What did you read in the rumor that said Canon would kill the 7D off?

The only ones who would kill the 7D off are the purchasers. If they do not buy it, it will die. However, its in a totally different market than the 5D MK II, selling for several hundred dollars less, and very popular.

 

[sublime LightWorks]

I can't believe the FPS or AF.

If they had said 5-ish fps, and 45 point AF; that I could have believed.

100% agree....the frame rate and AF points are not to be believed, not combined with 22 Mpix at a $2700 price tag. It spits all over the 1Dx's market positioning if that's the actual specs, and this isn't going to be a full frame 7D either, at least not from a frame-rate and AF speed standpoint.

I'd be inclined to believe 5 fps, 19 AF pts, at 22 Mpix full frame, and native ISO to 25,600, expanded to 102,400. Add a wi-fi option for 802.11N and many wedding/studio folks will be happy.

 

[K-amps]

This would be basically everything I have wanted since owning both the 5D Mk II and the 7D and deciding which to keep.

What did you read in the rumor that said Canon would kill the 7D off?

The only ones who would kill the 7D off are the purchasers. If they do not buy it, it will die. However, its in a totally different market than the 5D MK II, selling for several hundred dollars less, and very popular.

and has better AF
and is faster
and makes the 100-400 act like 160-480mm

 

[bvukich]

Lens wise, I hope it arrives with:
24-105/4L IS II (or 24-120/4L IS to match Nikon) for which there were rumors about a year ago that it would arrive with the 5D3
24-70/2.8L II (or IS, or better yet both ways like the 70-200s are) for which there have been endless rumors for MANY years
100-400L II (unlikely) for which there have been space rumors, but I would really like to see get a refresh (mostly coatings and 4-stop IS, perhaps a more traditional twisty zoom)

 

[KT]

Re: 1DX killer?

I would LOVE to be wrong, but how could this camera be real? What differentiates it from the 1DX? (ie. is there $4100 in difference?)

61pt AF? Smells like a 1DX
6.9FPS? Pretty powerful to pump 22MP through on just a Digic 5
$2700? Why would I ever pay $6800 for a 1DX aside from [arguably] a little ISO help on the top end?

You have to remember that the 5D X will be released on 2012 and needs to remain competitive spec-wise till 2015, they can't afford to cripple it right out of the gate with a hit-or-miss 11-point AF that was already out-dated around 2003. No one will buy such a camera.

 

[snyder17315]

If these rumored specs are true (and let's assume for a minute they are), this is very interesting indeed.

Now, even if this new 5D whatever packs all those specs it will NOT canabalize a large portion of 1DX sales. Pros who need to buy the 1DX are going to buy it regardless of the existence of this camera . When your job, paycheck and reputation depend upon every photo you take you need the reliability and build-quality the 1DX offers. You can't afford to chance things with a "lesser" camera.

This would also be a tremendous move on Canon's part if they can pack those specs into that price point (again, let's assume it's accurate), because now you've given two large user base segments a reason to spend more money. 7D users can now feel "comfortable" adding a reasonably priced full-frame camera to their kits with the improved AF and fps; and 5D owners can now upgrade to a model with justifiable improvements abound. Canon has sold a lot of 7/5Ds and offering a new camera that could appeal to both camps (and possibly negate a competitor's offering) seems like a win-win-win scenario. There's clearly a lot more profit to be had going that route than selling 1DXs.

All that aside, the spec sheet on this rumor reads like a wishlist to many I'm sure (myself included). The only thing I'm skeptical of is the price-AF-fps ratio. That seems like an awful lot of camera for only $2700.

 

[nicopol]

Yes the specs seem to good to be true BUT,

A camera of this magnitude could go as kind of a (how do you say that in english) "stigma"
(not sure if that sounds right, but its certainly the German word for what I meant )

I mean, a symbol of the almost ever perfect camera for everybody.

Everybody, except for the few tech-nerds, we are, who are always seeking the newest tec or professional photographers who might have more specialized needs, like 36MP or 12fps.

Every average user who loves photography, saved up some money and decides to finally buy a really good body that will satisfy his photographic needs in any way, also almost 80% of the professionals who do portrait work - They all can go with this camera.

In a photo-store you can say to almost every buyer who has the 2700$ - "Go for this!", it will do most likely everything you'll want it to do in the next years.

I, as an ambitiously hobby photographer, who loves lowlight, landscape and portrait can say that the 5DII was almost the perfect camera except for 3 points:

-weather sealing
-AF
-FPS

It seems these points might have been corrected with the next model and so I think we finally arrived at a point where you can say, that this camera, as it is stated there, can claim the title:

"the uncompromising, absolute perfect camera for 80% of all photographers today"

and if you can get that message into the heads of many peoples, they will repeat it for many many years.

•Announcement February 28

If I were in marketing, I'd announce on February 29th to signify the leap forward in technology.

Love that post

also I fear many did not understand what you meant by the first time

 

[Tijn]

This $2700 price tag...
...is that with 3 lenses included? Couldn't be... unless it's a lot of fantastic plastic...

 

[Otter]

It seems unlikely that canon would put the same processor in the mark III or 5 X as they have in the 4 year old mark ii when the digi 5 exists. I just can't see that happening, it supposed to be a new version of one of there hottest sellin camera, not a iPhone 4G to 4GS kind of upgrade.

 

[awinphoto]

If these specs are true, then it seems that there won't be anything coming from Canon aimed straight at studio photographers... I guess, they'll finally make me sell my car for a MF camera...

What more would you want from a 35mm digital camera body? More MP? Just curious what your ideal camera would be for the 5d "studio" camera?

 

[snyder17315]

This $2700 price tag...
...is that with 3 lenses included? Couldn't be... unless it's a lot of fantastic plastic...

Obviously not. That line was referring to the ANNOUNCEMENT of three new lenses.

 

[well_dunno]

I think we are looking at two different cameras, one 5D x or mark 3 and one high mp camera to compete with d800, first to be announced in February and the other in Photokina. It seems quite reasonable to me that Canon announces the 5D x/mk3 in February and then look at d800 market to finalize the high mp camera around Photokina... In the mean time, I do not know what camera would Nikon have to compete with 5D x/mk3.

Even though I totally agree with Neuro on his statement above on corporate goal being financial (and anything else being means to the end), I also feel 1D X and upcoming 5D specs are kind of unusually close. Perhaps there is more to 1D X than we know...

 

[Emeyerphoto]

If these specs are true, then it seems that there won't be anything coming from Canon aimed straight at studio photographers... I guess, they'll finally make me sell my car for a MF camera...

How is this not aimed at studio photographers? Just because of the AF points, frame speed or not high enough MP? I think this is a great camera for studio photographers. If you made great images with a 5d mk2 with 21.1 MP why can't you make great images with a camera that will probably have better AF and a better Digic 5 image processor?

Sure, when I am in my studio I don't shoot 6.5fps with my camera (40D), but I don't have to in order to create the image.

 

[awinphoto]

If these specs are true, then it seems that there won't be anything coming from Canon aimed straight at studio photographers... I guess, they'll finally make me sell my car for a MF camera...

How is this not aimed at studio photographers? Just because of the AF points, frame speed or not high enough MP? I think this is a great camera for studio photographers. If you made great images with a 5d mk2 with 21.1 MP why can't you make great images with a camera that will probably have better AF and a better Digic 5 image processor?

Sure, when I am in my studio I don't shoot 6.5fps with my camera (40D), but I don't have to in order to create the image.

+1. This camera probably wont please everyone and their needs, but really, what more would you want? a 7D pixel density so you can hear everyone complain that Canon has given up on high IQ?