5DIII same ISO performance as 5DII

[Viggo]

I would never use 6400 and 12800 on the 5d2, but with Lr 4.1 and the 5d3 I have used 12800 in required situations (f1,4 1/200s @ 12800) with HIGHLY useable results. I'm not afraid to use 12800 after seeing the results, but below 1600 I don't see much difference between the 5d2 and 5d3. I'm actually willing to claim iso 200 looked cleaner on the 5d2, based only on what it looks like, and what I'm used to.

 

[Tcapp]

I don't know about square sensors... I like the 2:3 aspect ratio.

I don't know if I would use flash drives for clients... cost is about 17x higher. And they are so small the client would lose it easily. Plus, the DVD has a larger area for custom printing/engraving.

How/where do you do your custom labeling?

The idea behind square sensor is that we crop to 2:3 aspect after the fact. No need to decide landscape/portrait orientation when taking the photo. I think the idea is revolutionary. It would take a bit to get use to, but awesome after the fact. Especially if they had 2:3 crop lines in the viewfinder!!!

Ive found that the clients simply put the USB drive on their key-ring. And they lose the USB drive as often as they lose their car keys. DVD's have seen their day. And I really don't are about they cost when my clients pay an additional $1500 for image rights. And in the long run, its cheaper than the custom DVD cases... I have a custom box for delivery of the USB drive, and the quality blows the appearance and value of a DVD out of the water. (its apple like) Its all about image "perceived value" remember? Clients have been pre trained to think DVD's are worth between $15 and $20 as they buy them from the store all the time. They have never seen a USB disk laser etched with their name, delivered in a matte black box. The perceived value is incredible. I order the drives in 250qty bulk from China without the VERBATIM branding. Just strait black, then I have a trophy guy here in my home town, laser on the name of the bride and groom. Ive sold more image rights on these than you would believe... It looks REALLY sweet. Plus, its all about sales right? In my consultation meeting, imagine saying this to your clients...

"DVD's have seen their day. You don't want something that going to sit on you bookshelf and collect dust, do you? How about having your images on your key-ring, so they are with you wherever you go. When you run into your friends and family, you can show them a quick slideshow of your favorites right there on the spot. Plus, I guarantee it for life, if you breaks, or you lose it. Ill replace it for you, as long as you live."

Now you have just set expectations for that client. When they meet with other photographers in your city who show them DVD's they are going to think, "Those old things" Guess who gets the bookings... yup. me. They think they are getting one of those USB drives, but when it's delivered to their home, via a courier, who is also carrying a wood crated bottle of wine, and hands them the package. They find 3 of them inside. One in the custom box, and two more. One for each of their key rings. that way they put the "master awesome boxed one" into a safe place, generally next to some wedding photos or album. I train my clients that when they spend money with me, there is ALWAYS a positive outcome, more than they anticipated. EVERY TIME. I train them to want to spend money. This is just one of the ways I do that...

There is a method to my madness in order to bring in the $250K/yr I do in weddings

ok, long rant. Im finished!

Woa, you better not live in MPLS! DOH!

Take a look at this...
http://www.brovadoweddings.com/blog/photography-apprentice/

You are a smart man. Tell me where you order the flashdrives in bulk!

 

[prestonpalmer]

You are a smart man. Tell me where you order the flashdrives in bulk!

Direct from china. Before you do that, prove to yourself the concept works. Just buy a dozen of them from newegg and see if you like it!

 

[dswatson83]

Square Sensor? Most of my clients are moving to digital delivery now and I only expect this to increase over time. Virtually ever laptop, desktop monitor, tv, projector, and tablet (other than the ipad which is 4x3) is 16x9 and now that resolutions are increasing, many are using them to display photos and photos on high res screens look great. And while i'm not a fan of the aspect ratio for photos, it is what it is and it won't be changing. If anything, they will be going wider. I sell portrait oriented photos for prints frequently, but for digital delivery, most want pictures oriented in landscape.

As for noise, I have to agree with my fellow wedding photographers that .5-1 stop improvement is a big freaking deal (even if I secretly wish it was 2). You will get .5 stops at lease because of the gapless sensor design. I'll take whatever I can take. I'm almost always forced to shoot at higher ISO than I would like, at slower shutter speeds than I would like, and wide open at 2.8 when the shot would look better (and the lens sharper) at f/4. Not to mention, shooting at 2.8 or wider with the 5d mark II's focusing system is risky. The new focusing system allows me to shoot wider since I can nail focus at f/2.8 and wider much more often than before.

 

[sandymandy]

Im 100% sure if we would get a square sensor soon that u can choose aspect ratio settings in the camera.

If your earning ur living by photography it shouldnt matter what shape the sensor has cuz u post process all images anyway for ur customers. Just crop to 3:2 if necessary.

 

[briansquibb]

Im 100% sure if we would get a square sensor soon that u can choose aspect ratio settings in the camera.

If your earning ur living by photography it shouldnt matter what shape the sensor has cuz u post process all images anyway for ur customers. Just crop to 3:2 if necessary.

The EOS IX APS film camera gave you a choice of aspect ratios.

The real beauty about a square sensor is that the camera doesn't have to be turned between landscape and portrait - so the series 1 body would not be needed

 

[Tcapp]

Square Sensor? Most of my clients are moving to digital delivery now and I only expect this to increase over time. Virtually ever laptop, desktop monitor, tv, projector, and tablet (other than the ipad which is 4x3) is 16x9 and now that resolutions are increasing, many are using them to display photos and photos on high res screens look great. And while i'm not a fan of the aspect ratio for photos, it is what it is and it won't be changing. If anything, they will be going wider. I sell portrait oriented photos for prints frequently, but for digital delivery, most want pictures oriented in landscape.

As for noise, I have to agree with my fellow wedding photographers that .5-1 stop improvement is a big freaking deal (even if I secretly wish it was 2). You will get .5 stops at lease because of the gapless sensor design. I'll take whatever I can take. I'm almost always forced to shoot at higher ISO than I would like, at slower shutter speeds than I would like, and wide open at 2.8 when the shot would look better (and the lens sharper) at f/4. Not to mention, shooting at 2.8 or wider with the 5d mark II's focusing system is risky. The new focusing system allows me to shoot wider since I can nail focus at f/2.8 and wider much more often than before.

Yep

 

[skitron]

Now Digital Negatives (if they buy them) are delivered on these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820235047

I agree the Tuff-N-Tiny is awesome!

 

[D.Sim]

Im 100% sure if we would get a square sensor soon that u can choose aspect ratio settings in the camera.

If your earning ur living by photography it shouldnt matter what shape the sensor has cuz u post process all images anyway for ur customers. Just crop to 3:2 if necessary.

The EOS IX APS film camera gave you a choice of aspect ratios.

The real beauty about a square sensor is that the camera doesn't have to be turned between landscape and portrait - so the series 1 body would not be needed

You'd still need a taller body to fit that sensor in though... so a similar to 1 series body would still be used?

 

[Tcapp]

Im 100% sure if we would get a square sensor soon that u can choose aspect ratio settings in the camera.

If your earning ur living by photography it shouldnt matter what shape the sensor has cuz u post process all images anyway for ur customers. Just crop to 3:2 if necessary.

The EOS IX APS film camera gave you a choice of aspect ratios.

The real beauty about a square sensor is that the camera doesn't have to be turned between landscape and portrait - so the series 1 body would not be needed

You'd still need a taller body to fit that sensor in though... so a similar to 1 series body would still be used?

I like the bigger bodies.

 

[prestonpalmer]

You'd still need a taller body to fit that sensor in though... so a similar to 1 series body would still be used?

Nope, no change to the body is required to accommodate a 1x1 sensor. We can have the 1D camera in a smaller, lighter package. No need to flip the camera back and forth. Crop lines would exist in the viewfinder. I am totally for it!

 

[prestonpalmer]

I like the bigger bodies.

I always carry 2 bodies, so I am a huge fan of the 5D size and weight. Carrying 2x 1D's is heavy and cumbersome.

 

[DavidRiesenberg]

The problem with a square sensor is that it won't be 36mm x 36mm as some people assume. If my calculations are correct, Ef lenses cover a circle with a diameter of ±43mm which means the biggest square sensor that could be made without vignetting is ±30.5mm x 30.5mm. That means it will roughly have a bit better than APS-H maximal FOV.

 

[Orangutan]

without vignetting is ±30.5mm x 30.5mm.

Why do we care about vignetting at capture? Why not have a 43mm square sensor, and just accept major vignetting at capture, but you've got the entire image circle. You can then decide how to crop in post. You'd never need to rotate your camera, and so no need for vertical grip. Yes, it would be a bit of a waste of silicon, but so what? There could also be camera settings to pre-select format: 3:2, 2:3, 1:1, 4:3, 16:9, etc. If Canon (or Nikon, or whoever) want to stretch their lens lineup for pros, that's how to do it.

** Note: I've made this suggestion several times; some have noted that there might be problems with mirror clearance. I accept that as a legitimate question, but still consider it worth consideration, especially when (not if) we get to the point of mirrorless pro-level bodies.

 

[unkbob]

Not that sure what the advantages of a square sensor are. You don't have to turn your camera 90 degrees, but you then have to choose orientation in post? Sounds like a PITA to me. I like the fact that the camera knows which way it's tilted, so when I shoot portrait, I get portrait. One less step to deal with, it's a supremely intuitive system already.

Am I missing something?

 

[briansquibb]

Not that sure what the advantages of a square sensor are. You don't have to turn your camera 90 degrees, but you then have to choose orientation in post? Sounds like a PITA to me. I like the fact that the camera knows which way it's tilted, so when I shoot portrait, I get portrait. One less step to deal with, it's a supremely intuitive system already.

Am I missing something?

One less opportunity to get it wrong when shooting in the heat of the action, one less image missed

 

[unkbob]

Not that sure what the advantages of a square sensor are. You don't have to turn your camera 90 degrees, but you then have to choose orientation in post? Sounds like a PITA to me. I like the fact that the camera knows which way it's tilted, so when I shoot portrait, I get portrait. One less step to deal with, it's a supremely intuitive system already.

Am I missing something?

One less opportunity to get it wrong when shooting in the heat of the action, one less image missed

I'm not convinced. If I screw up in the heat of the moment, it's not going to be because I chose the wrong aspect ratio. I know what I'm trying to shoot before I lift my camera. I might have the wrong lens, might have camera shake, might screw up the ISO or exposure, might forget to put the flash on HSS, I can screw up magnificently in any number of ways, but not knowing if a shot should be wide or tall just isn't in my list of worries. Maybe that's just me. If this was really a concern I would just shoot wider all the time and crop into every frame, but it's not so I don't.

 

[briansquibb]

Not that sure what the advantages of a square sensor are. You don't have to turn your camera 90 degrees, but you then have to choose orientation in post? Sounds like a PITA to me. I like the fact that the camera knows which way it's tilted, so when I shoot portrait, I get portrait. One less step to deal with, it's a supremely intuitive system already.

Am I missing something?

The flash on the hotshoe would always be on the top - you wouldn't need a flash bracket and spin it round - a real pain in a wedding scenario

One less opportunity to get it wrong when shooting in the heat of the action, one less image missed

I'm not convinced. If I screw up in the heat of the moment, it's not going to be because I chose the wrong aspect ratio. I know what I'm trying to shoot before I lift my camera. I might have the wrong lens, might have camera shake, might screw up the ISO or exposure, might forget to put the flash on HSS, I can screw up magnificently in any number of ways, but not knowing if a shot should be wide or tall just isn't in my list of worries. Maybe that's just me. If this was really a concern I would just shoot wider all the time and crop into every frame, but it's not so I don't.

 

[unkbob]

Haha, the quote format is bonkers at this point, I was quite confused by who was quoting who

Yes, I can see that as one advantage, having the flash fixed. I use a bracket and it's cumbersome.

 

[briansquibb]

Haha, the quote format is bonkers at this point, I was quite confused by who was quoting who

Yes, I can see that as one advantage, having the flash fixed. I use a bracket and it's cumbersome.

Sorry - too early in the morning